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Turkey blames Syria for supporting Kurdish rebels, inches closer to military action
Haaretz ^ | March 2012 | Zvi Bar'el

Posted on 03/23/2012 10:47:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

Turkish media has emphasized the declaration by the PKK's de facto leader Murat Karayilan that "If Turkey intervenes against our people in western Kurdistan, the area will turn into a battlezone."

Western Kurdistan is the name the Kurds call eastern Syria, inhabited by more than two million Kurds. Turkey now blames Syria for using the PKK as an additional arm, allowing members of the organization to roam freely in its territory with weapons and permitting them to carry out terror acts in Turkish territory. Should Turkey decide that the operations of PKK members threaten its national security, it may decide to invade Syria under the justification of preventing terror, rather than aiding the rebels against Assad's crackdown. Such a decision could become the turning point the Syrian rebels are hoping for -- a foreign military intervention in their country.

Turkey and Syria stood on the brink of a military crisis in 1998, when Turkish forces -- including tanks -- were deployed on the border with Syria and threatened to invade the country. In light of that threat, Syrian President Hafez Assad (Bashar's father) decided to distance the country from the PKK and stop any assistance, thus diminishing the chances of a war.

(Excerpt) Read more at haaretz.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: iraq; kurdistan; syria; turkey
Demonstrators, holding a portrait of jailed Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) leader Abdullah Ocalan, walk past a burning mobile telephone relay station in Diyarbakir, southeastern Turkey, March 18, 2012. [Reuters]

Turkey blames Syria for supporting Kurdish rebels, inches closer to military action

1 posted on 03/23/2012 10:47:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Kurd militants threaten Turkey if it enters Syria
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/22/us-syria-turkey-kurds-idUSBRE82L0UH20120322

Turkey enlists northern Iraq’s help in countering threat of Syria-PKK alliance
http://en.trend.az/regions/met/turkey/2006389.html


2 posted on 03/23/2012 10:48:29 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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To: SunkenCiv

Yikes


3 posted on 03/23/2012 11:00:43 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: F15Eagle
You are always correct! Its an appropriate term.
4 posted on 03/23/2012 11:17:30 PM PDT by U-238
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To: U-238

Aren’t Russian Special Forces in Syria?


5 posted on 03/23/2012 11:25:03 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: unkus

There are Russian “special forces” there and you cannot forget the Quds Force from Iran is in Syria.They supposedly have around 15,000 troops there. Their commander, Major General Suleimani is in Assad’s cabinet. Major General Suleimani reports directly to Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9072798/Syria-Irans-elite-Quds-force-advising-Assad-regime.htm


6 posted on 03/23/2012 11:33:35 PM PDT by U-238
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To: U-238

I am reminded of Erdogen of Turkey (a NATO country for those reading along) talking of sending Turkish warships down with Gaza flotilla vessels next time (Erdogen himself was on one of the ships in the prior flotilla).

And Netanyahu said quote “that would be a very bad idea”.

The implications of this, along with Syria, are mind-boggling.

Good thing we have an experienced, documented, American-loving conservative president in the WH and a brilliant articulate VP. /sarc with no laughter at all

And Comrade Putin back in power, to boot.

A thousand yikes.


7 posted on 03/23/2012 11:36:20 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: F15Eagle
The implications of this, along with Syria, are mind-boggling

I agree. Its a powder keg.
8 posted on 03/23/2012 11:38:53 PM PDT by U-238
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To: F15Eagle

Good thing we have an experienced, documented, American-loving conservative president in the WH and a brilliant articulate VP. /sarc with no laughter at all

And Comrade Putin back in power, to boot.


Yep. Putin could bite off the Girley Man’s head and spit it out. We’re in perilous waters, folks.


9 posted on 03/23/2012 11:49:16 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: unkus

Imagine if the Kenyan throws us into a Constitutional crisis while Iran is poised to start a fight with Israel, Syria and Turkey get into it, complicating NATO, oil shoots up, and the economic crisis of some European countries along with America take a severe hit. Meanwhile Pooty-Poot wants to extend Russia’s influence and continues to make excuses for Iran.

And not all that far-fetched.


10 posted on 03/24/2012 12:47:24 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: SunkenCiv

The odds in favor of general Middle East War this year is going up every week.


11 posted on 03/24/2012 1:43:21 AM PDT by AU72
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To: SunkenCiv

The U.S. should have helped form an independent Kurdistan
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Here’s what I wrote on the subject of Iran, Iraq & Afghanistan a while back.

To: NormsRevenge
We SHOULD withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran.

Here’s how I think we should “pull out of Iraq.” Add one more front to the scenario below, which would be a classic amphibious beach landing from the south in Iran, and it becomes a “strategic withdrawal” from Iraq. And I think the guy who would pull it off is Duncan Hunter.

How to Stand Up to Iran

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1...osts?page=36#36
Posted by Kevmo to TomasUSMC
On News/Activism 03/28/2007 7:11:08 PM PDT • 36 of 36

Split Iraq up and get out
***The bold military move would be to mobilize FROM Iraq into Iran through Kurdistan and then sweep downward, meeting up with the forces that we pull FROM Afghanistan in a 2-pronged offensive. We would be destroying nuke facilities and building concrete fences along geo-political lines, separating warring tribes physically. At the end, we take our boys into Kurdistan, set up a couple of big military bases and stay awhile. We could invite the French, Swiss, Italians, Mozambiqans, Argentinians, Koreans, whoever is willing to be the police forces for the regions that we move through, and if the area gets too hot for these peacekeeper weenies we send in military units. Basically, it would be learning the lesson of Iraq and applying it.

15 rules for understanding the Middle East
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1774248/posts

Rule 8: Civil wars in the Arab world are rarely about ideas — like liberalism vs. communism. They are about which tribe gets to rule. So, yes, Iraq is having a civil war as we once did. But there is no Abe Lincoln in this war. It’s the South vs. the South.

Rule 10: Mideast civil wars end in one of three ways: a) like the U.S. civil war, with one side vanquishing the other; like the Cyprus civil war, with a hard partition and a wall dividing the parties; or c) like the Lebanon civil war, with a soft partition under an iron fist (Syria) that keeps everyone in line. Saddam used to be the iron fist in Iraq. Now it is us. If we don’t want to play that role, Iraq’s civil war will end with A or B.

Let’s say my scenario above is what happens. Would that military mobilization qualify as a “withdrawal” from Iraq as well as Afghanistan? Then, when we’re all done and we set up bases in Kurdistan, it wouldn’t really be Iraq, would it? It would be Kurdistan.

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I have posted in the past that I think the key to the strategy in the middle east is to start with an independent Kurdistan. If we engaged Iran in such a manner we might earn back the support of these windvane politicians and wussie voters who don’t mind seeing a quick & victorious fight but hate seeing endless police action battles that don’t secure a country.

I thought it would be cool for us to set up security for the Kurds on their southern border with Iraq, rewarding them for their bravery in defying Saddam Hussein. We put in some military bases there for, say, 20 years as part of the occupation of Iraq in their transition to democracy. We guarantee the autonomy of Iraqi Kurdistan as long as they don’t engage with Turkey. But that doesn’t say anything about engaging with Iranian Kurdistan. Within those 20 years the Kurds could have a secure and independent nation with expanding borders into Iran. After we close down the US bases, Kurdistan is on her own. But at least Kurdistan would be an independent nation with about half its territory carved out of Persia. If Turkey doesn’t relinquish her claim on Turkish Kurdistan after that, it isn’t our problem, it’s 2 of our allies fighting each other, one for independence and the other for regional primacy. I support democratic independence over a bullying arrogant minority.

The kurds are the closest thing we have to friends in that area. They fought against Saddam (got nerve-gassed), they’re fighting against Iran, they squabble with our so-called ally Turkey (who didn’t allow Americans to operate in the north of Iraq this time around).

It’s time for them to have their own country. They deserve it. They carve Kurdistan out of northern Iraq, northern Iran, and try to achieve some kind of autonomy in eastern Turkey. If Turkey gets angry, we let them know that there are consequences to turning your back on your “friend” when they need you. If the Turks want trouble, they can invade the Iraqi or Persian state of Kurdistan and kill americans to make their point. It wouldn’t be a wise move for them, they’d get their backsides handed to them and have eastern Turkey carved out of their country as a result.

If such an act of betrayal to an ally means they get a thorn in their side, I would be happy with it. It’s time for people who call themselves our allies to put up or shut up. The Kurds have been putting up and deserve to be rewarded with an autonomous and sovereign Kurdistan, borne out of the blood of their own patriots.

Should Turkey decide to make trouble with their Kurdish population, we would stay out of it, other than to guarantee sovereignty in the formerly Iranian and Iraqi portions of Kurdistan. When one of our allies wants to fight another of our allies, it’s a messy situation. If Turkey goes “into the war on Iran’s side” then they ain’t really our allies and that’s the end of that.

I agree that it’s hard on troops and their families. We won the war 4 years ago. This aftermath is the nation builders and peacekeeper weenies realizing that they need to understand things like the “15 rules for understanding the Middle East”

This was the strategic error that GWB committed. It was another brilliant military campaign but the followup should have been 4X as big. All those countries that don’t agree with sending troups to fight a war should have been willing to send in policemen and nurses to set up infrastructure and repair the country.

What do you think we should do with Iraq?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1752311/posts

Posted by Kevmo to Blue Scourge
On News/Activism 12/12/2006 9:17:33 AM PST • 23 of 105

My original contention was that we should have approached the reluctant “allies” like the French to send in Police forces for the occupation after battle, since they were so unwilling to engage in the fighting. It was easy to see that we’d need as many folks in police and nurse’s uniforms as we would in US Army unitorms in order to establish a democracy in the middle east. But, since we didn’t follow that line of approach, we now have a civil war on our hands. If we were to set our sights again on the police/nurse approach, we might still be able to pull this one off. I think we won the war in Iraq; we just haven’t won the peace.

I also think we should simply divide the country. The Kurds deserve their own country, they’ve proven to be good allies. We could work with them to carve out a section of Iraq, set their sights on carving some territory out of Iran, and then when they’re done with that, we can help “negotiate” with our other “allies”, the Turks, to secure Kurdish autonomy in what presently eastern Turkey.

That leaves the Sunnis and Shiites to divide up what’s left. We would occupy the areas between the two warring factions. Also, the UN/US should occupy the oil-producing regions and parcel out the revenue according to whatever plan they come up with. That gives all the sides something to argue about rather than shooting at us.

38 posted on Thursday, July 12, 2007 3:55:19 PM by Kevmo (We need to get away from the Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party ~Duncan Hunter)

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12 posted on 03/24/2012 2:43:54 AM PDT by Kevmo (If you can define a man by the depravity of his enemies, Rick Santorum must be a noble soul indeed.)
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To: F15Eagle

Yes, 0bama is so very bad in every aspect.


13 posted on 03/24/2012 8:53:51 AM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: F15Eagle; AU72

Erdogan does and says some things as PR -- all-important for a politician, regardless of the political system -- and often does another. Turkey is the cork in the bottle, and will be kept in that status -- not quite in Europe, not quite in the Muzzie world, in NATO but going its own way, enemy of Russia, and literally surrounded by enemies of its own (past) making.
14 posted on 03/24/2012 9:55:23 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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To: SunkenCiv

Let’s just get all of the Muzzies to fight and kill each other off, like in the Iraq-Iran War.


15 posted on 03/24/2012 9:58:20 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: dfwgator

As if we could stop ‘em anyhow. The mistake in the past was in not making sure all sides had enough ammo.


16 posted on 03/24/2012 11:01:01 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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To: Kevmo

Thanks Kevmo, and I like how you think.


17 posted on 03/24/2012 11:18:01 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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