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Insurgents Used Cell Phone Geotags to Destroy AH-64s in Iraq
Defense Tech (Military.com) ^ | March 15th, 2012 | Defense Tech

Posted on 03/29/2012 7:27:51 AM PDT by rpierce

Insurgents Used Cell Phone Geotags to Destroy AH-64s in Iraq

Here’s a battlefield safety issue that some people have been warning about—and others have been ignoring—for a while now; an enemy using social media and cellphone geotagging to identify the precise location of troops on a battlefield.

When you take a photo with your cellphone, the gps coordinates of the location you took the picture is embedded into the image. When you upload said photo onto the internet for all to see, people can pull the location data from that picture. If you think this is just people being paranoid and that the Taliban would never do this in Afghanistan, think again. Insurgents figured out how to use this to their advantage in Iraq years ago. In 2007, a group of Iraqi insurgents used geotags to destroy several American AH-64 Apache choppers sitting on a flightline in Iraq.

From an Army press release warning of the dangers of geotags:

When a new fleet of helicopters arrived with an aviation unit at a base in Iraq, some Soldiers took pictures on the flightline, he said. From the photos that were uploaded to the Internet, the enemy was able to determine the exact location of the helicopters inside the compound and conduct a mortar attack, destroying four of the AH-64 Apaches.

During Israel’s 2006 war in southern Lebanon with Iranian-backed militia (more like a full on army) Hezbollah, Iranian SIGINT professionals tracked signals coming from personal cell phones of Israeli soldiers to identify “assembly points of Israeli troops that may have telegraphed the points of offensive thrusts into Lebanon.

This is just one more example of low-end cyber warfare that can be as deadly as expensive software worms designed to infiltrate an enemy’s most heavily defended networks.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: geotag; opsec; sigint; technology
From a comment on the site:
History has shown, never underestimate your enemy. As all the past invaders into Afghanistan have found out, the local tribes are serious warriors and from Alexander to the present, they are extremely adapt at fighting each new enemy. The terrain and time are on there side. They may to us look odd in their clothes and their habits, but in the past they where able to build almost perfect copies ot the British Enfield Rifle, so to with today's modern technology, they can get any type of cell phone, smart phones and all the rest and find ways to use them against us. What they have and what our troops have where probably made in the same factory in the Peoples Republic of China. Our side needs to put our technology into a stealth mode.

Bottom line, modern technology creates more ways to have loose lips in wartime. Be careful out there.

1 posted on 03/29/2012 7:28:00 AM PDT by rpierce
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To: Travis McGee

Ping.


2 posted on 03/29/2012 7:31:19 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: All

This is why we don’t reduce troop numbers.
There will NEVER be a replacement for a cornfed-farmboy with a stout weapon and a desire to perish the bad guys.....


3 posted on 03/29/2012 7:31:47 AM PDT by Maverick68
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To: rpierce

This has real life implications to civilians the world over.

IT is incredibly easy for your photos posted online to be opened up and the GEOTAGs read by anyone with a desire to do so.

Some, but not all online hosting services strip all metadata out of images.

Those that don’t give the criminally minded a direct GPS coordinate to your location.


4 posted on 03/29/2012 7:41:20 AM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: rpierce

If you know the enemy is reading your mail, and planning ops based upon this intel, then use it against him.

Set traps. Bait them. Kill them.


5 posted on 03/29/2012 7:42:23 AM PDT by BrewingFrog (I brew, therefore I am!)
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To: BrewingFrog

Apparently our OpSec really, really sucks over there. Michael Yon warned about just this thing months ago.


6 posted on 03/29/2012 7:45:04 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: JerseyHighlander

But you are free to strip the metadata out yourself before posting them, by using widely-available open-source software like Irfanview.


7 posted on 03/29/2012 7:52:12 AM PDT by proxy_user
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To: rpierce

Holy bad OPSEC Batman!

The possibilities are endless. There have probably been so many photos taken by soldiers in Afghanistan, that the Taliban can target individual tables in the mess hall.


8 posted on 03/29/2012 7:54:50 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: stylecouncilor; windcliff

something more to fret over ping....


9 posted on 03/29/2012 7:56:29 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Lurker

This was sent to me by my son, who’s in the thick of it. I get the sense that the pros know about this. As you know, there are different lots of levels of servicemen. Some of them are probably too familiar with the technology and not the history and ramifications of battlefield intelligence.


10 posted on 03/29/2012 7:57:24 AM PDT by rpierce (We have taglines now? :)
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To: rpierce

PS coordinates and accurate mortar fire on them? I doubt those goat-herders could figure all of that out. G


11 posted on 03/29/2012 8:02:23 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: rpierce
During Israel’s 2006 war in southern Lebanon with Iranian-backed militia (more like a full on army) Hezbollah, Iranian SIGINT professionals tracked signals coming from personal cell phones of Israeli soldiers to identify “assembly points of Israeli troops that may have telegraphed the points of offensive thrusts into Lebanon.”

Knowing that, the Israelis can buy truckloads of cheap cell phones and set up something like Patton's fictional First Army Group to fool their enemies with fake troop concentrations in the future.

12 posted on 03/29/2012 8:04:31 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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To: rpierce

This sort of thing happens easily enough, even without Soldiers taking pictures. Interpreters, local nationals, and others with access to the base can and have mapped them out using their own phones.

For all the power that our advanced precision weaponry brings to bear, social media proves to be an extremely effective counterweight to it when in the hands of a motivated insurgency. Something to remember. ;-)


13 posted on 03/29/2012 8:18:49 AM PDT by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: rpierce

The time has come to take a picture of Mecca and to use photoshop to make it look like US army barracks.


14 posted on 03/29/2012 8:19:33 AM PDT by proudpapa
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To: Steel Wolf

Hell, it doesn’t even take that much. An 82d ABN BN we were working with nabbed an interpreter who had sketched out a detailed map of their COP for his insurgent buddies simply by pace count.


15 posted on 03/29/2012 8:21:55 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (If we had a President, he'd look like Newt.)
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To: rpierce
I get the sense that the pros know about this.

Pity they're not actually doing anything about it like maybe sharing that information with our people or something sensible along those lines. Were I the CO I'd yank every personal cell phone and smart device for the duration. Period.

16 posted on 03/29/2012 8:22:45 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: AppyPappy
"PS coordinates and accurate mortar fire on them? I doubt those goat-herders could figure all of that out. G" Overconfidence in technology and lacking respect for an apparently 'primitive' enemy... One word: Isandlwana.
17 posted on 03/29/2012 8:26:04 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: AppyPappy

Then you REALLY weren’t paying attention during the Iraq War. Ask a vet how “primitive” their enemy was. Our boys fought a tough, disciplined, enemy that were well trained by the Soviets before the fall. Don’t discount their victory by thinking their enemy was a bunch of primitive goat-herders/


18 posted on 03/29/2012 12:23:33 PM PDT by Lex Gabba
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Electronic Warfare is a knife that can cut both ways.

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19 posted on 03/29/2012 1:47:52 PM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: rpierce

I was just complaining this week that everyone is running around sensitive areas with a cell phone in their pocket.

No one seems to take the threat seriously.


20 posted on 03/29/2012 4:00:58 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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