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Me? I go to church, the minister preaches, I go home. That's what Christians do now.
Life Site News ^ | 01 April 2012 | AFA Journal

Posted on 04/01/2012 3:41:01 PM PDT by IbJensen

Originally published in the August 1999 issue of AFA Journal.

In 1973 the Supreme Court said it was OK to kill unborn babies. Since then, we have killed more than the entire population of Canada. And it continues. A woman's choice? Half of those who have died in their mothers' wombs have been women. They didn't have a choice. It is called abortion.

Me? I go to church, the minister preaches, I go home. That's what Christians do now.

First it was in dingy, dirty theaters. Then, convenience stores. Then, grocery stores. Then on television. Now it is in the homes of millions via the Internet. It is called pornography.

Me? I go to church, the minister preaches, I go home. That's what Christians do now.

They called it no-fault. Why should we blame anyone when something so tragic happens. Haven't they already suffered enough? Half of the marriages in America end this way. The children suffered. The family broke down. It is called divorce.

Me? I go to church, the minister preaches, I go home. That's what Christians do now

At one time it was a perversion. We kept it secret. We secured help and hope for those who practiced it. Now it is praised. We have parades celebrating it, and elected officials give it their blessing. Now it is endowed with special privileges and protected by special laws. Even some Christian leaders and denominations praise it. It is called homosexuality.

Me? I go to church, the minister preaches, I go home. That's what Christians do now.

It used to be an embarrassment. A shame. Now a third of all births are to mothers who aren't married. Two-thirds of all African-American children are born into a home without a father. The state usually pays the tab. That is why we pay our taxes, so that government can take the place of parents. After all, government bureaucrats know much better how to raise children than parents do. It is called illegitimacy.

Me? I go to church, the minister preaches, I go home. That's what Christians do now.

At one time it was wrong. But then the state decided to legalize it, promote it and tax it. It has ripped apart families and destroyed lives. But just look at all the money the state has raised. No longer do we have to teach our children to study and work hard. Now we teach them they can get something for nothing. We spend millions encouraging people to join the fun and excitement. Just look at the big sums that people are winning. They will never have to work again! It is called gambling.

Me? I go to church, the minister preaches, I go home. That's what Christians do now.

Not long ago, Christians were the good guys. But now any positive image of Christians in movies or on TV is gone. We are now depicted as the bad guys – greedy, narrow-minded hypocrites. The teacher can't have a Bible on her desk, but can have Playboy. We don't have Christmas and Easter holidays – just winter and spring break. We can't pray in school, but can use foul language. It's called being tolerant.

Me? I go to church, the minister preaches, I go home. That's what Christians do now.

Yes, all these things came to pass within 30 years. Where were the Christians? Why, they were in church. All these things are for someone else to deal with. Times have changed. Involvement has been replaced with apathy.

But don't blame me. I didn't do anything. I go to church, the minister preaches, I go home. That's what Christians do now.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: abortion; apatheticchristians; morality
Slouching towards hell.
1 posted on 04/01/2012 3:41:06 PM PDT by IbJensen
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2 posted on 04/01/2012 3:43:26 PM PDT by narses
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3 posted on 04/01/2012 3:48:00 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: IbJensen

That isn’t what I do, nor what the vast majority of my congregation does either.

I agree that there is apathy in the Body, but it doesn’t extend to ALL Christians and certainly not me.


4 posted on 04/01/2012 3:51:13 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: IbJensen

Don’t think we are slouching towards hell...,more like speeding towards it.
Great book i read recently about this is by Dr David Jeremiah: “ I Never Thought I would see the Day” or something close to that. Dr Jeremiah goes through Scripture that points to why things are going the way they are
Freegards
LEX


5 posted on 04/01/2012 3:52:17 PM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: IbJensen
Judge Robert Bork had it right in 1996:

.......

6 posted on 04/01/2012 4:01:05 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Real men are not threatened by strong women." -- Sarah Palin)
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To: IbJensen

Slouching towards hell.

Seems like an all out sprint at times.


7 posted on 04/01/2012 4:03:45 PM PDT by stevecmd
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To: IbJensen

Bingo!

No offense intended to our Catholic brethren ;o)


8 posted on 04/01/2012 4:13:24 PM PDT by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: IbJensen

From the Torchbearer Society:

I believe that we must raise the cross
at the center of the marketplace
as well as on the steeple of the church.

I do not believe that Jesus was crucified
in a church between two candles,
but on a cross between two thieves,

at a crossroads of politics
so cosmopolitan
they had to write his title
in Hebrew
in Latin,
and in Greek.

At the kind of place
where cynics talk smut,
and thieves curse,
and soldiers gamble.

Because that is where He died.
and that is what He died about.

And that is where the church ought to be.
and that is what church people ought
to be about.


9 posted on 04/01/2012 4:15:42 PM PDT by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini--nevertheless, Vote Santorum!)
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To: IbJensen

Actually, a great many Christians were fighting those trends in our society. But since this is a post-Christian society, we don’t have the numbers...


10 posted on 04/01/2012 4:24:13 PM PDT by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: Mr Rogers

“Actually, a great many Christians were fighting those trends in our society. But since this is a post-Christian society, we don’t have the numbers...”

Yep, and also a lot of us were told to essentially save our breath now because judgement has been ordained. I still periodically send up a “please let us be as Nineveh” though.


11 posted on 04/01/2012 4:28:15 PM PDT by pops88 (Standing with Breitbart for truth.)
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To: narses; IbJensen

From The prophetic words of the late Avery Cardinal Dulles...

With the progressive de-Christianization of society it is inevitable, I think,that the church will suffer some defections and a measure of disaffection on the part of many who remain. Some of those who leave will join churches whose teaching seems more consonant with modern secular thinking. Others will find Catholicism too complicated, and will embrace severer styles of Christianity,such as those found in biblicist sects. These negative developments will have to be countered by measures designed to increase the numbers and the loyalty-Avery Cardinal Dulles


12 posted on 04/01/2012 4:33:19 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: Mr Rogers

Sometimes I think we have already jumped over the side of the cliff and its too late to change it back.


13 posted on 04/01/2012 4:40:06 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: QBFimi

“No offense intended to our Catholic brethren ;o)”

Um, I’m confused. What is the point of your comment??


14 posted on 04/01/2012 4:42:59 PM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: reaganaut

Well as a believer and doer of the Word via Jesus’ spirit, I too get depresses when evil seems to be winning. There are still ways to fight evil but it must be one on one sometimes and then it must be communal. Money still counts in this society so supporting Christian, real Christian causes helps. Marches do not nor does violence though for once I would like Fire from heaven consuming, say the Iranian nuke plants. But, supporting missions, food-clothing kitchens, home schooling, things like Precious Lamb which as in many areas, helps kids who have rotten parents. Even petitions help if if one can use political pressure to push a theme. Of course, parents, schools, and churches all have failed in the last 7 decades as secular-liberal-humanism has gained much ground. But, much can be still fought if one has the will. God told Joshua, Be strong, be courageous. Two traits that both Christians and frankly conservs, Pubs need today to face political evil.


15 posted on 04/01/2012 5:30:36 PM PDT by phillyfanatic
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To: Mr Rogers
this is a post-Christian society, we don’t have the numbers...

That's exactly right...and the trends today show this is the case. A great falling away from Christianity to something else as the nation opens it's arms to every false and misleading ideals, false religions, and or distortions of Christianity....and the masses follow whatever Piper of their choosing. Oblivious to the dangers....and unconconcerned for the outcomes.

I did not expect to see this in my day.... I knew it was coming....just much faster then I thought possible.

16 posted on 04/01/2012 5:55:02 PM PDT by caww
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To: GeronL
I do agree...it is too late to change the trajectory we're on....the tentacles of power and strongholds are far too deep and wide now to do more than slow it down or cut off a limb here and there.

Had the public supported Newt I saw a chance...and still do but it's slim at best. However God does seem to enter the affiars of men when all seems to be at loss so I'm not ready to throw in the towel just yet.

17 posted on 04/01/2012 6:00:09 PM PDT by caww
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To: IbJensen

Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
Psalm 2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
Psalm 2:3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
Psalm 2:4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
Psalm 2:5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
Psalm 2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Psalm 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
Psalm 2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.
Psalm 2:10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
Psalm 2:11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
Psalm 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.


18 posted on 04/01/2012 6:11:12 PM PDT by WestwardHo
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To: caww; GeronL; pops88

My Dad was killed in Vietnam after 27 years in the military. I spent 26 years in the military. Let’s just say I never thought I’d see the day where the gay flag was flown in a US military post...but it is here, and the majority of Americans are OK with it.

I don’t know how to pray for America any more.


19 posted on 04/01/2012 6:23:45 PM PDT by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: Mr Rogers

Thank you for your service. But would you recommend it to young men these days?


20 posted on 04/01/2012 6:36:50 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: All

Most sermons I hear are like James 2:16 to me.

Wouldn’t want to offend anyone ya’know.


21 posted on 04/01/2012 6:41:48 PM PDT by fulltlt
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To: lightman

Jesus knitted a whip together of cords and...


22 posted on 04/01/2012 6:43:39 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Cheney/Rumsfeld 2012)
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To: phillyfanatic

I think the annual March for Life does a lot of good. Draws hunderdsof thousands, biggest msm secret of the year... Keybbbbbardd failing -— out.


23 posted on 04/01/2012 6:50:16 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Cheney/Rumsfeld 2012)
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To: Mr Rogers
I don’t know how to pray for America any more.

Perhaps it's moved to it's very weakened state because the work is almost done?

America has to be held back or the events lining up overseas would not be moving forward. Under any other President the leaders moving rapidly on the World Stage would not be doing so....Mambo has given them the green light....and God may just allow him to take us all the way down.....unfortunately the American people are all too ready to allow it as we see the lack of discernment prevalent today....there is no right or wrong.

I do not believe we can expect this nation will return to what we have known it to be.....this election is truly that last opportunity..and even if the Republicans win the corruption and it's tentacles are so deep in every area of governance and business it would take years to unravel and clear out....and there will be much resistance to that. Strongholds are called that for a reason.

As for the people...we knew this would come...it's just immensely difficult to watch for those of us who have know this nation as strong and secure. The generation now does not want us to be a sovereign nation, they are all about diversity and all the other canned liberal taking points fed to them from preschool on.

I recall my daughter-in-law stunned, when cutting trees on their property, and she found her 12 yr/ old sobbing over these trees being cut. Completely convinced this was "hurting" the earth.

Pray for believers now and those who will come as Jesus did the Father....note he did not pray for those "of" the world.

24 posted on 04/01/2012 7:03:36 PM PDT by caww
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To: Mr Rogers
But since this is a post-Christian society, we don’t have the numbers...

I doubt God would agree with either part of that. While the church appears to be in trouble in North America, His church is growing, world-wide. I am a member of a congregation that is smaller than when I became a member 40 years ago. We can't do all we once did, but, we can do what we can do. We are called to be faithful and to be prepared ... for whatever He has in mind for us.

I believe America's best days are still ahead of her, and God isn't finished with her yet.

25 posted on 04/01/2012 7:19:15 PM PDT by RobinOfKingston (The instinct toward liberalism is located in the part of the brain called the rectal lobe.)
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To: caww

Pray for the church. And remember that the USA isn’t all there is.


26 posted on 04/01/2012 7:27:07 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Mr Rogers

Thank you, sir, for your long service and your post.

My son was Navy and my grandson is a Marine serving in Afghanistan. They are not OK with it, and I don’t believe the majority of Americans are. It’s just that the tiny minority of perverts are much louder and more “protected” than the rest of us are. If I’d seen this 50 years ago, I would not have believed it.

2 Chron 7:14 - “If MY PEOPLE, who are called by MY NAME, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.”

That’s the only way to pray for America that I know.


27 posted on 04/01/2012 7:44:10 PM PDT by CatDancer (Still pulling for Newt. Arms getting tired. Mood getting worse.)
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To: redgolum
the USA isn’t all there is.

I agree, but the so called "conversions" in mass I hear of in other nations isn't what it's cracked up to be, rather a vast counterfeit which gets people all caught up emotionally and therefore have little understanding of Christ...rather the focus is on the 'Experiences" of a spiritual nature...and for that those who genuinely Pastor in those countries are very concerned of this "movement"....and for that we need to pray.. for it's a counterfeit.

28 posted on 04/01/2012 8:57:44 PM PDT by caww
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To: RobinOfKingston
I believe America's best days are still ahead of her

How so? Want to enlarge on what you see coming?

29 posted on 04/01/2012 8:59:58 PM PDT by caww
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To: surroundedbyblue

>> “No offense intended to our Catholic brethren ;o)”
>> Um, I’m confused. What is the point of your comment??

So you’ve never played bingo at a Catholic church bazaar?


30 posted on 04/01/2012 9:52:37 PM PDT by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: Mr Rogers

I don’t know how to pray for America any more.


Pray hard, brother. Very hard.

And get active again. Doesn’t matter what denomination you are, this “slouch towards hell” can be slowed. Not stopped, I don’t think, but, as has recently been shown, a big enough backlash by those of faith can give the secularists pause.

Thank you for your service, and for your father’s before you.


31 posted on 04/01/2012 10:27:16 PM PDT by EnglishCon (Gingrich/Santorum 2012.)
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To: reaganaut; IbJensen

Neither do I, nor Jensen I’m sure. But we are all responsible for accepting various sins in others — take the case of living before marriage or sleeping together outside marriage —> it’s difficult to tell your friends that it is wrong, but we must do that.


32 posted on 04/01/2012 10:37:31 PM PDT by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: Mr Rogers

I refuse to give in now and call our age a ‘postChristian’ society, no matter how much the media tells us. There are still many strong believers —> even in places like Scandanavia, France, England, Germany. Yes, they are under pressure, but they still exist. And we should tell everyone that there is no such thing as a post-Christian society, just people in denial of the christian nature of their society.


33 posted on 04/01/2012 10:49:20 PM PDT by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: EnglishCon
it can and will be stopped. Christianity has been under threat before --> fromt the persecutions of Paul, to the persecutions of Nero and then later Domitian, Diocletian etc. then when Rome fell to Alaric, there was even more of doubt. Then the attacks of the Magyar, Saracens, Turks, Vikings etc. etc.

This is not the darkest hour, but a call to arms, Christian soldiers!

34 posted on 04/01/2012 10:51:40 PM PDT by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: ichabod1

That’s what our sermon was on today. And also on the next chapter where he kills the fig tree for not bearing any fruit.


35 posted on 04/01/2012 10:57:37 PM PDT by 21twelve
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To: Cronos

It must be stopped, you are correct. No one said living your belief was easy, and I got temporarily discouraged. Bad mind set to fix things with.

I must stop posting immediately after reading the news - it weakens my will with the stupidity, violence and outright sin on display.


36 posted on 04/01/2012 11:17:20 PM PDT by EnglishCon (Gingrich/Santorum 2012.)
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To: stevecmd

It seems hell is a hell of long way away, this was written in 1999 and Bork’s book, which I have by t he way, was written in 1996. Interesting that one can recycle these articles and still be relevant today. There is no sprint and no slouching, rather, a stasis of mind and ideology.


37 posted on 04/01/2012 11:50:26 PM PDT by Skylab
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To: Cronos

ake the case of living before marriage or sleeping together outside marriage —> it’s difficult to tell your friends that it is wrong, but we must do that.

- - - —
I do that. Most of my friends are shocked to find out that MrR and I didn’t live together (he didn’t even move his stuff) until after we got back from our honeymoon.

There are many things, the Bible is clear on as sin and yes it is our responsibility to warn others, in very clear language. Sadly, there are many who take the ‘live and let live’ approach. I’m not one of them. LOL.


38 posted on 04/02/2012 12:38:57 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

good for you. I have found it difficult to rebuke friends (we’re all too afraid of coming off as ‘holier than thou’), but we must...


39 posted on 04/02/2012 12:59:37 AM PDT by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: Cronos

LOL. After the names I’ve been called on the Mormon threads on here, ‘holier than thou’ is timid.

I will say that I rebuke my Christian friends much harsher than my non-Christian friends. For my non-Christian friends, I certainly do not condone their sins, and will inform them that it is considered a sin, but they must be led to Christ first which is often my primary focus, then HE will convict them of their sins.

For my already Christian friends, I reprove them as commanded by Scripture and remind them that they know better.


40 posted on 04/02/2012 1:05:34 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: IbJensen

Great column, but I don’t think the American sheeple could understand it.


41 posted on 04/02/2012 3:39:57 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Past is prologue: The American people have again let us down in this election cycle.)
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To: Mr Rogers
gay flag was flown in a US military post.

Sounds like a job for some church members...time to raise voices for another cause.

42 posted on 04/02/2012 5:23:03 AM PDT by beachn4fun (Lock and Load)
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To: IbJensen

A lot of truth there, unfortunately.

Speaking from a Catholic perspective, the problem can be traced to the breakdown of priestly formation in the 60s. Sin was replaced by modern psychology. We are reaping the whirlwind.

Practicing Catholics desperately need instruction, not more Oprah. The situation is now only beginning to reverse.


43 posted on 04/02/2012 5:40:04 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: caww

-— I recall my daughter-in-law stunned, when cutting trees on their property, and she found her 12 yr/ old sobbing over these trees being cut. Completely convinced this was “hurting” the earth.——

Woooooowwww.

Thanks for passing this on.


44 posted on 04/02/2012 5:45:37 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: phillyfanatic

“I too get depresses when evil seems to be winning.”

I do, as well. Then I run through my mind some of the newer laws and policies and it’s obvious that everything is lining up as is prophesied for End Times. The good news is that Christians won’t be around to witness everything at its worst.

I received the following email last week and I don’t know how much of it is true. I’ll copy/paste, and hope that formatting and paragraph breaks translate. If not, apologies...

President Obama issued an executive order that seizes control over all food and food production resources in the nation.

What all this means is that the U.S. government now claims the power to simply march onto your farm with guns drawn and demand all your gardens, farms, crops, seeds, livestock and farm equipment, food, food processing you name it.

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/035301_Obama_executive_orders_food_supply.html#ixzz1qXZRLtCw

This is right after Obama signs the NDAA (National Defense Authorization Act) which allows the President to detain terror suspects indefinitely without a trial.

And here’s the kicker, because all the following activities could cause you to be arrested, detained, interrogated and even murdered all under U.S. law, thanks to Obama:

Criticizing the federal government.

Using cash to purchase things.

Storing food and medical supplies.

Owning a firearm and storing ammunition.

Standing still and minding your own business near a government building.

Writing something down on a piece of paper near a government building.

Using a pair of binoculars.

Protesting for animal rights in front of a medical lab.

Protesting your government (or Wall Street).

Requesting to take more than a couple thousand dollars out of your bank account in cash

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/034538_NDAA_American_citizens_indefinite_detainment.html#ixzz1qXbbBG5u

Bottom Line:
So let’s face it. The U.S. is heading like a locomotive train toward an oppressive police state dictatorship every time bills like this are passed. (Maybe we should join together and start a health community in Nicaragua, Belize, Costa Rica or somewhere beautiful!)

The US Constitution is ignored. Our Bill of Rights have been overruled and those who try to warn others and speak out can legally be rounded up for the FEMA concentration camps they are building all over the U.S.


45 posted on 04/02/2012 5:55:16 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Don't blame me; I voted for the American.)
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To: caww
she found her 12 yr/ old sobbing over these trees being cut. Completely convinced this was "hurting" the earth.

The fruits of letting others raise your childered in a class room. Did you know that the large majority of kids from Christian families upon reaching college stop going to church. This holds true those kids that went to private school or any kinda of Christian school. The only catagory this does not hold true for is homeschooled kids. When you let someone else raise/educate your childeren you should not be surprised at what you get.
46 posted on 04/02/2012 6:47:25 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: TalonDJ
The fruits of letting others raise your children in a class room.

Yes,...and was just another incident of why they removed their kids from the school system and are now fully aware of what they are being taught now.

47 posted on 04/02/2012 9:02:35 AM PDT by caww
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To: GeronL
"Sometimes I think we have already jumped over the side of the cliff and its too late to change it back."

We're in free fall waiting to hit the bottom of the Mariana Trench after diving off of Mt Everest. This country stopped tottering on the edge and jumped off the cliff by electing Barry. A nation that will elect someone President who is very deliberately hiding their background and the records of the sort everyone expected to produce to get a job is a nation of fools.

The only question now is whether the country is going to pick itself up, dust itself off, and start climbing back up the mountain when we hit or just squabble, blabber, and continue to allow the Fascist and Vichy crowd to run the country.

Going off the cliff was inevitable once the country swallowed the Democrat Fascist propaganda about the "two income, post industrial, economy" and ignored the Fascist Democrat party deliberately destroying industry in this country. The Fascists decided that the labor unions in private industry weren't dependable enough after so many union members voted for Reagan so Carter got unionization of government employees passed and the Fascist Democrat Party proceeded to get revenge on all the unions that had a record of not always marching in lock step.

Newt led the charge and actually got things back on the right track only to be stabbed in the back by the Vichy Republicans who were drooling over the graft Clinton was going to let them in on if they'd just back off. So, back off they did and here we are, squarely where the majority of the voting public wanted us to be and squarely where those who sit home rather than fighting wanted us to be.

JMHO

48 posted on 04/02/2012 3:41:31 PM PDT by Rashputin (Only Newt can defeat both the Fascist democrats and the Vichy GOP)
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