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Applications for Concealed Gun Permits Spike in Florida(semi barf)
wmfe.org ^ | 5 April, 2012 | James Call

Posted on 04/05/2012 12:17:18 PM PDT by marktwain

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I added some paragraph breaks. Audio at the link.

As someone from Arizona, I object to the statement "No state is second to Florida when it comes to embracing second amendment rights."

Arizona is far superior to Florida in our support of the Second Amendment. Arizona has Constitutional carry, where no permit is required for either concealed carry or for open carry. Florida still bans the open carry of firearms.

Still, I have hopes that Florida will strive diligently to rise to Arizona's level.

1 posted on 04/05/2012 12:17:21 PM PDT by marktwain
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I’d say the spike came about three years ago, not two. That’s when I got my permit. The class was packed to the rafters and it took almost a month longer than the time allowed by law to get to me. Go figure; I took my class right about when Obama was sworn in.

My concealed carry permit arrived about a week after my baby did. I don’t carry because I’m afraid or violent: I carry because I have a God-given duty to protect my child.


2 posted on 04/05/2012 12:22:08 PM PDT by JenB
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“The fact that over the life of the program, only 168 permit holders have had their permit revoked for a gun-related crime reinforces the fact that the people who go through the trouble of applying for and receiving a CWP are not generally the ones you need to be worried about in terms of a criminal element in society.”

So, 168 out of 700,000? Next to none. Then, define "gun crime".

To have this become law, they had to add a clause that they would track ALL permit holders for crimes committed, and not just those with a gun, from the beginning. The cost was upwards of 10 million dollars a year to do so.

What they found was that less than 1/1000th of a percent broke ANY laws. After 10 years, this reporting was stopped.

My numbers may be slightly off, and perhaps some Florida FReepers can add to this, but the numbers were ridiculously low.

3 posted on 04/05/2012 12:24:34 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: marktwain

What the Fluke does the Dept of Agriculture have to do with regulating CCW permits?


4 posted on 04/05/2012 12:28:44 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Clint N. Suhks

They forgot to duck.


5 posted on 04/05/2012 12:32:47 PM PDT by Sigurdrifta
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To: marktwain

An unintended consequence, not foreseen by the lynch mob.


6 posted on 04/05/2012 12:34:54 PM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

they employ all fish and game officers...fish and game officers have jurisdiction anywhere in the state vs police officers.....


7 posted on 04/05/2012 12:36:21 PM PDT by tatsinfla
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To: Clint N. Suhks
Cuz the bad guys are planted 6 feet under?
8 posted on 04/05/2012 12:37:54 PM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: Sigurdrifta

Florida at least is a shall issue state regardless if they have a funny way regulating it.


9 posted on 04/05/2012 12:38:56 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Puppage

That’s a .024% revocation rate. Not six sigma, but good enough for government process purposes.


10 posted on 04/05/2012 12:47:24 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: tatsinfla

I guess that makes sense. Kinda.

I never thought of DNR officers as having the same resources as police.


11 posted on 04/05/2012 12:52:15 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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The Department of Agriculture makes sense because they do not have a horse in the race, so to speak. In the early days of CCW, the political heads of many state police agencies were adamantly opposed to it.

You do not want an agency adamantly opposed to an action to be the one that grants permits for that action. When you do that, you get things like the ATF and the EPA.

In Arizona, the DPS runs the permitting process. They followed the rules, but any slightly gray area was ruled against permissive CCW. Eventually someone headed up the CCW shop that realized what a spectacular moneymaker for the state it could be, but by then it was too late. They had pulled enough bonehead stunts that the reaction resulted in Arizona passing constitutional carry and loosening up the rules from the legislature.

12 posted on 04/05/2012 12:56:34 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Clint N. Suhks

IN FLA they have total jurisdiction....seems strange but that is the way it is....


13 posted on 04/05/2012 1:04:41 PM PDT by tatsinfla
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To: Clint N. Suhks
What the Fluke does the Dept of Agriculture have to do with regulating CCW permits?

Better them then some agency with an agenda against guns.

Besides, up until a few years ago the guy in charge of the Dept of Agriculture's name was Charles Bronson. So everyone's carry permit was signed by Charles Bronson. :-)

14 posted on 04/05/2012 1:07:57 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (The Democrat Ku Klux Klan is alive and well as the New Black Panthers, CBC and the NAACP)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

Our fish and wildlife officers have more resources than anyone, equipment wise. And there are many agencies that have statewide jurisdiction including campus police.


15 posted on 04/05/2012 1:15:58 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: marktwain

I have my FL CCW and I live in VA.


16 posted on 04/05/2012 1:42:17 PM PDT by bmwcyle (I am ready to serve Jesus on Earth because the GOP failed again)
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marktwain comments that Florida, not currently allowing open carry, is behind Arizona in gun rights. I'd have to agree.

Another bit about Arizona is that you can own anything short of a howitzer and there are public lands available where you can shoot it. In Florida, if you don't own land or know someone who does, you are basically SOL.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

17 posted on 04/05/2012 1:47:40 PM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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nearly one in every 20 Floridian has a license to carry a loaded gun in their car, or purse as they go about their daily business.

This shows what they know. In the state of FL you don't need a license to have a loaded gun in your car. Unlike many states you can be cocked and locked in the glove box with no paperwork.
18 posted on 04/05/2012 1:56:01 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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I have my FL CCW and I live in VA.

Good point. LOTS of people have FL no-res permits. I had one for years before I moved here. I wonder it the article's numbers take that into account.
19 posted on 04/05/2012 1:58:24 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: marktwain

For perspective it would be nice of the liberal media to also report how many criminals killed people during this 2007_2009 period to see which group really is the real threat to society.

Can’t report the truth, though, right liberal media?


20 posted on 04/05/2012 6:01:55 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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