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Tulsa police reportedly make 2 arrests in North Tulsa shootings
FOX News ^ | April 08, 2012 | n/a

Posted on 04/08/2012 3:57:09 AM PDT by Nickname

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1 posted on 04/08/2012 3:57:15 AM PDT by Nickname
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To: Nickname
Much like the "War on Terror", there won't be any actual declaration that the race war has begun. Just a series of incidents like this. The number of incidents will grow and then a spark will set off a riot in a city or a number of cities.

After that, who knows.

2 posted on 04/08/2012 4:00:33 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: Nickname

Glad they apparently caught the scumbags. If found guilty, let ‘em hang.


3 posted on 04/08/2012 4:01:04 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Nickname

Wait....wait.....they included the RACE of the perps. I thought that was off-limits.

Oh....my bad; that’s only if the perps are black. Dopey me.


4 posted on 04/08/2012 4:02:37 AM PDT by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: Nickname
Oh oh!

This ain't good coming on the heels of the Trayvon shooting.

Wonder how long it will be before our Dear Leader issues a statement and the Justice Brothers ("Reverend" Al and Jesse) head down there to stoke the fires of racism.

5 posted on 04/08/2012 4:02:50 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet (l)
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To: Nickname
I hope Oklahoma has the death penalty.
6 posted on 04/08/2012 4:02:57 AM PDT by DB
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To: SoFloFreeper

Come, come, dear sir. You are supposed to reflexively spring to the defense of your racial brethren.


7 posted on 04/08/2012 4:03:38 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Former Proud Canadian

There need not be random shootings of someone because of the color of their skin. Truth be told, most of us are mixed...at least many of us.

And we’re all God’s people. The race baiters are evil, no matter the amount of pigmentation in their epidermis. :)


8 posted on 04/08/2012 4:04:38 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Former Proud Canadian
Still we need to know if this was a white hispanic, white asian, white african, white middle eastern, or a white european.
The media will overplay this to smokescreen Obama's policies and election.
9 posted on 04/08/2012 4:08:30 AM PDT by chemicalman (The more support I see,the harder I want to work,and the more determined I am not to let folks down.)
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To: Nickname

This race riot that Obama and Holder started is sickening. I feel so sorry for all my friends in America that remember what our country used to be.


10 posted on 04/08/2012 4:28:14 AM PDT by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/ - via iPhone from Tokyo.)
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To: Nickname
Willingham said an anonymous tip led a special operations team and other law enforcement agents to move in and make the arrests. He says police used surveillance and other techniques and a helicopter in the course of making the arrests. Asked if the two men were armed when they were taken into custody, the police spokesman said he had no immediate information.

So glad we've cleared all that up   :-\

11 posted on 04/08/2012 4:47:59 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: All

Looks like both had a facebook page

Alvin Watt
http://www.facebook.com/alvin.watts2?sk=friends&v=friends

Jake England
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003336116727&sk=wall

Check out some of Jake’s comments.


12 posted on 04/08/2012 4:55:16 AM PDT by sleddogs
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Could one of the series of “incidents”
be this one?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2869509/posts

It happened in Tulsa, too.

Strong stomachs required to digest the horror...


13 posted on 04/08/2012 4:55:59 AM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: Nickname

That’s good news.


14 posted on 04/08/2012 5:00:08 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Socialism isn't going to work this time, either.)
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To: tomkat

Looks like new details are being added to the initial story I excerpted, as none of that was included in the original article.

Also, I wonder if the two men are related because it’s always odd to me when there’s such a disparity in age. A 19 year old and a 32 year old hanging around together?


15 posted on 04/08/2012 5:01:24 AM PDT by Nickname
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To: Sherman Logan
Too many times they've gone with the "whitey done it" memo only to quietly arrest someone non white.

In Flint Michigan 2010 they were after a white guy targeting blacks for stabbings. He was finally arrested in Atlanta GA after stabbing at least 15 people both white and black.

The sketch

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The perp who turned out to be an israeli palestinian

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That said, I see no reason to believe they have the wrong guys here. I haven't seen the evidence so I can reserve judgement.
16 posted on 04/08/2012 5:02:47 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: sleddogs

Good sleuthing. Those comments are disturbing. But, of course, these people might not be the ones arrested, and the ones arrested are only suspects.


17 posted on 04/08/2012 5:03:07 AM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: DB

We do. Executed one a couple weeks ago.


18 posted on 04/08/2012 5:06:09 AM PDT by beefree
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To: sleddogs

It appear’s Jake’s father was shot and killed by a black man two years ago.......


19 posted on 04/08/2012 5:07:38 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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To: sleddogs

England says on his Facebook page that his father was shot and killed by a black man two years ago. And there is a death of a woman that is the mother of his son only two months ago. Didn’t say how she died...

Don’t know if the press will even mention it.

However, random killing of innocent people is so wrong regardless of the motive. England must pay with his life if guilty.


20 posted on 04/08/2012 5:10:10 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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Seems like Jake’s father Carl England was murdered exactly 2 years ago Thursday by a Pernell Jefferson.

http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=12260908

I think we have a motive.


21 posted on 04/08/2012 5:11:05 AM PDT by sleddogs
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To: txrangerette
The father of one of those arrested was shot by a black man.
22 posted on 04/08/2012 5:13:59 AM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: lefty-lie-spy
This race riot that Obama and Holder started is sickening.

It's just what Obama wanted too. Another way to divide the country, and this is all part of his grand re-election scheme.

Think about it, if he loses he'll blame all the racist whites and spark the final wave of a giant race war in this country.

23 posted on 04/08/2012 5:32:53 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Travis McGee; Former Proud Canadian
He likely has a very good point here. See the replied-to post.

This thread needs a link to:

The CW2 Cube -- Mapping The Meta-Terrain Of Civil War Two

24 posted on 04/08/2012 5:37:54 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Nickname
Aside from the loss of life what's sad about this whole thing is it's going to be used again by the MSM and the obomba regime to distract everyone from what obomba is doing to our nation.

Let us not take our eyes off the ball folks. If we are going to save our nation we need to elect a Conservative to occupy the White House. Not obomba or Romney but a Conservative.

On a side note. Happy Resurrection Day.

25 posted on 04/08/2012 5:46:35 AM PDT by Whats-wrong-with-the-truth (Romney... Just put the (D) behind your name and be done with it.)
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To: Nickname

If it weren’t for Thought Police, we could just hang these guys up for murder if they are convicted. Sadly, tax payer time and money will be spent focusing on if it is a hate crime because he used the “n” word or if it was an alcohol-induced revenge.


26 posted on 04/08/2012 5:55:14 AM PDT by greatvikingone
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To: FreedomPoster

Good advice from your link:

“You do not want to live as a trapped and cut-off minority in what might become “enemy territory.” If you live amidst your civil war enemies, as defined and located within the CW2 Cube, you will be in mortal danger even if your immediate neighbors know, love and respect you.”


27 posted on 04/08/2012 5:57:44 AM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: FreedomPoster
You can link to the whole e-book:

http://www.resist.com/CWII.pdf

Free download.

It's a been a small scale guerrilla war for now. The shootings in Tulsa show that the whites have begun to engage.

Look out this summer. A hot summer, high gas and food prices, possible government shutdown over the debt ceiling, war in the mid east, financial meltdown in Europe. Throw in a presidential campaign where the incumbent seems perfectly comfortable orchestrating a racial Götterdämmerung. They'll be lucky to keep the trucks rolling and the interstates open.

28 posted on 04/08/2012 6:04:14 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: sergeantdave

Just to make it clear for all, you know that the author of that, Matt Bracken, is FReeper Travis McGee, right?

I remember the first hand-sketched version of the meta-cube getting posted here.


29 posted on 04/08/2012 6:13:29 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

>>They’ll be lucky to keep the trucks rolling and the interstates open.

Fortunately most cities have bypass/perimeter highways these days.


30 posted on 04/08/2012 6:15:18 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: greatvikingone
If it weren’t for Thought Police, we could just hang these guys up for murder if they are convicted. Sadly, tax payer time and money will be spent focusing on if it is a hate crime because he used the “n” word or if it was an alcohol-induced revenge.

Given England used the n-word to describe his father's killer on his Facebook page, you don't have to wait long for the hate crime investigation.

31 posted on 04/08/2012 6:17:54 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: FreedomPoster; Travis McGee

I’m in agreement with his advice. If you live in an enemy camp, get out now. You and your group will be the first ones to suffer casualties when CW II goes hot.

I’d say that it’s imperative that people study his cube analysis to determine just where they stand.


32 posted on 04/08/2012 6:28:37 AM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: Former Proud Canadian
I think everything taking place right now is simply priming the pump for the main show.

I don't have a doubt in my mind Zippo is going to be forced out and that's when all hell is going to break loose.

33 posted on 04/08/2012 6:30:08 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Strategerist

Ethnic background?

http://mugshotstulsa.com/mug/jacob-carl-england


34 posted on 04/08/2012 6:38:33 AM PDT by maggief
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To: Former Proud Canadian
“...will set off a riot in a city or a number of cities.”

Maybe we get to rebuild the holes they live in
and make it a better place? Jeez, I don't even
believe it.

35 posted on 04/08/2012 6:42:19 AM PDT by cameraeye (A happy kaffir!)
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To: sleddogs

It’s interesting how his father was killed. May have been BOW crime.


36 posted on 04/08/2012 6:44:46 AM PDT by meatloaf (Support House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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To: Nickname

The police identified the arrested men as Jake England, 19, and Alvin Watts, 32. They were taken into custody from a home in Tulsa. Police now believe that both England and Watts were in the truck at the same time during the shootings, Brooks said.

37 posted on 04/08/2012 6:46:11 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: FreedomPoster

Gracias para el linko.


38 posted on 04/08/2012 6:46:30 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: maggief

Looking at the one facebook photo of him he is most certainly either “white Hispanic” or “white Native American” or “white African American.”


39 posted on 04/08/2012 6:47:39 AM PDT by amishman
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There’s some sort of reference to England being of Native American descent on his Facebook, which certainly is likely based on being in Oklahoma, and of course the posted picture.


40 posted on 04/08/2012 6:50:55 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: amishman; All

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Killing suspect is arrested at Tulsa hospital

Tulsa World (OK) - Thursday, April 8, 2010

Author: MATT BARNARD World Staff Writer

A ex-convict who is implicated in a deadly shooting was found at a hospital Tuesday seeking treatment for injuries he reportedly received in a fight just before the slaying.

Pernell Demond Jefferson is accused of shooting CarlEngland , 47, during an ongoing fight at the Comanche Park apartment complex Monday night. England went to the complex to help his daughter after Jefferson tried to break into her apartment, according to his arrest report.

Jefferson, who records show is either 37 or 38, suffered head and arm injuries in the scuffle and sought treatment at St. John Medical Center the next day, police said. Someone spotted him there and called the police, who arrested him about 2:20 p.m., the report states.

Officer Jason Willingham said a murder complaint against Jefferson is pending.

The shooting reportedly stemmed from a scuffle between Jefferson and Damien Neal, who is England ‘s daughter’s boyfriend.

Neal told officers that he hit Jefferson with a baseball bat before the attempted break-in, police said.

Jefferson then left to find a gun, saying he would come back to “settle the dispute,” the report states. Meanwhile, England arrived and went looking for Jefferson with Neal.

The men soon found him, and another confrontation unfolded. England struck Jefferson with a stick, and Jefferson shot him after falling to the ground, police allege.

England was shot in the chest and died at a hospital. His death was Tulsa’s 11th reported homicide of 2010, police said.

Jefferson is in the Tulsa Jail on complaints of attempted burglary, possession of a firearm after the former commission of a felony and an outstanding traffic warrant.

(snip)


41 posted on 04/08/2012 6:52:47 AM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief
Very interesting mugshot!

If the photo does in fact show Jacob Carl England, I don't believe that "white" would be an apt racial categorization of England.

Might be at least part American Indian. To me he looks a bit like Joba Chamberlain (Yankees pitcher from Nebraska and a good guy).

If the suspects' race is going to be made into a big deal here, then the MSM should take care to get it right this time -- unlike what they did in reporting George Zimmerman's background.

42 posted on 04/08/2012 6:56:22 AM PDT by shhrubbery! (NIH!)
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To: Hot Tabasco

“It appear’s Jake’s father was shot and killed by a black man two years ago......”

Read news article here:

An ex-convict who is implicated in a deadly shooting was found at a hospital Tuesday seeking treatment for injuries he received in a fight just before the slaying.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20100407_11_0_Amanwh826113&r=6964


43 posted on 04/08/2012 6:58:18 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: shhrubbery!

Alvin Watts, however, looks to be of 100% “White Idiot” descent.


44 posted on 04/08/2012 6:59:21 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: maggief
Hm, the plot thickens. Good find.

Maybe this will turn out to be a missing piece of the puzzle as to motive ... possible revenge for the killing of Jacob England's father?

45 posted on 04/08/2012 7:01:56 AM PDT by shhrubbery! (NIH!)
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To: Nickname
Jake England, 19 year old white male, and Alvin Watts, 32 year old white male...

Tulsa's version of the DC Snipers.

46 posted on 04/08/2012 7:03:18 AM PDT by Roccus
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>Jake England
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003336116727&sk=wall

>Check out some of Jake’s comments.

Any chance you could post some of the comments here? Facebook wants me to sign up to view anything about him.
I will not be joining facebook.


47 posted on 04/08/2012 7:03:34 AM PDT by soycd
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To: shhrubbery!

http://www.facebook.com/people/Jake-England/100003336116727#!/photo.php?fbid=175221112599091&set=a.175221109265758.38318.100003336116727&type=1&theater

Jodi Crosby Flatt He is strong minded and he’s responsible for so much at such a young age. He’s always been that way. It’s his Indian heritage! Bless you Alvin-you’re the best. You know where I am if you guys ever need anything, even just a hug.
Thursday at 12:25pm

http://skiatookjournal.com/obituaries/sheran-hart-wilde/article_5db35608-4135-11e1-97ec-001871e3ce6c.html

She is survived by her fiancé Jacob Carl “Jake” England; children Madysen Haley Wilde, Devin James Wilde and Jacob Carl England, II;


48 posted on 04/08/2012 7:04:16 AM PDT by maggief
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To: Strategerist
Alvin Watts, however, looks to be of 100% “White Idiot” descent.

In this country at least trash comes in all shapes,sizes,colors and genders.and yes,that includes "white male".

49 posted on 04/08/2012 7:05:10 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Jimmy Carter Is No Longer The Worst President To Have Served In My Lifetime.)
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To: shhrubbery!

Jefferson is in jail but apparently was never charged with murder or manslaughter, it seems - just on drug and firearm possession. Presumably due to self-defense?

Now THAT’S interesting - not that it excuses England but I bet it contributed to his rage.


50 posted on 04/08/2012 7:05:55 AM PDT by Strategerist
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