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(Vanity) Proceeding with a third party
Cato in PA

Posted on 04/10/2012 4:52:33 PM PDT by Cato in PA

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To: donmeaker

Who’s this “we” you’re talking about?


41 posted on 04/10/2012 5:32:48 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: Cato in PA

I think the line in the sand that we should draw is “Don’t let Obama win.”


42 posted on 04/10/2012 5:33:20 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: JediJones

That would be ‘We Republicans who support candidates in the Primaries and Caucuses.”


43 posted on 04/10/2012 5:35:51 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Longbow1969

That sure don’t say much for the voting citizens...the chumps.


44 posted on 04/10/2012 5:36:22 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line)
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To: Cato in PA

Romney/Palin might work.


45 posted on 04/10/2012 5:36:37 PM PDT by Mark (Don't argue with my posts. I typed while under sniper fire..)
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To: donmeaker
Piss off wanker.

NO CULTISTS IN THE WHITE HOUSE


46 posted on 04/10/2012 5:37:14 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Rick Santorum -Mission Accomplished)
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To: eXe

Read my post. I don’t HAVE a “handpicked candidate.”


47 posted on 04/10/2012 5:37:31 PM PDT by Cato in PA (1/26/12: Bloody Thursday)
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To: Antoninus

The only people who suffer are us.

The GOP has been pushing moderates since before I was allowed to vote. They’ve lost as much as they’ve won. Do they learn? Of course not.

We, however, suffer the consequences of hard-left governance.


48 posted on 04/10/2012 5:40:32 PM PDT by flintsilver7 (Honest reporting hasn't caught on in the United States.)
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To: Cato in PA

Newt is essentially the 3rd party candidate — unless you’re a member of the moral vanity brigade.


49 posted on 04/10/2012 5:42:08 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Newt/Sarah 2012)
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To: flintsilver7
No, it's not impossible for Romney to be worse than Obama. If Obama is re-elected, he won't have control of Congress and will have to fight every step of the way to get anything done. With Romney, every bit of his liberal agenda will be rubber stamped by the GOP-e controlled Congress and it will all be passed. We'll get a new version of Obamacare. We'll get more spending and no balanced budget. We'll get liberals nominated to SCOTUS and confirmed by the Senate. And so on.

What you don't seem to understand is that Romney is simply not an option. What would you do if somebody tried to force you to vote for either: Obama, or Reid, or Pelosi? Would you actually vote for one of those scoundrels for POTUS in the name of doing the least harm?

If the GOP-e pushes the Romney nomination down our throats, it guarantees a third party movement, and that's on them.

50 posted on 04/10/2012 5:43:26 PM PDT by tentmaker (vote for John Galt)
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To: Cato in PA
The only 3rd party option that has a sliver of a chance is a self-funded billionaire or a conservative backed by a billionaire. That model had a chance of working with Perot, until Perot turned out to be insane. Suppose he had not been just a "crazy uncle" as someone put it, and supposed he had not been in the race merely to get Clinton elected. He was leading when he pulled out of the race the first time. He got involved around March or April that year, and by May was leading. He was able to get on the ballots on all 50 states, I think, with a brand new political party.

But.....he had his own money.

If Rush, announces tomorrow, he is ahead of Romney by 10 points. It become 43 Obama, 34 Rush, 23 Romney, give or take a few points. Or, make it Palin with the Koch brothers behind her. I think Jack Welch is too old, but someone like that. Trump, even though I didn't trust him to be a conservative, was in the running as a serious independent when he was out there for a while.

The strategy would be to outdistance Romney heading into the stretch, and then to convince the Rinos to throw in with the new party. If they don't, the new party can still win, because of the way our system is structured. What you need is a plurality in enough states to get to 270. All the states that Bush got in 2004.

Ironically, it is the exact formula used to elect Abraham Lincoln with something like 39 percent of the vote. As that 1860 election spelled the end of the Whig party, so the victory of the Tea Party could spell the end of Lincoln's party, which is fitting. The GOP has become the party of progressives who want to run corporations and manage the economy and the little people.

I would like to see this scenario play out, but the odds are long and time is fast running out. If no one steps up soon, the choice will be Mitt or Barry. I told myself last time that I would never vote for a RINO again, that if they did it to us again, I would not go along. Even then, I only supported McCain because of Palin, and because I learned more about Obama and knew he was a marxist. What will I do this time? If no one does step up this time, I have not decided whether the long term interests of conservatism and the USA will better be served by voting out Obama for Romney, or letting the GOPe get what they deserve. I will take some time to think about that one.

Let's hope someone steps up.

51 posted on 04/10/2012 5:45:36 PM PDT by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: Cato in PA
3) No, no, we have to change the Republican party from within!

The Tea Party ABSOLUTELY is changing the Republican Party from within. The day I joined the largest Republican Party Executive Committee in Florida I took my oath with several fellow Tea Partiers standing beside me. And I've seen the influence of the Tea Party grow in surprising ways since then within the Republican Party (the long-time president of our own committee resigned her position to support Herman Cain - which was startling).

Maybe the change isn't as fast as we would all wish, but it is happening. It would be unfortunate if we didn't finish the job.

52 posted on 04/10/2012 5:46:57 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: Cato in PA
...Paul still doesn’t stand a chance and Newt won’t mount a serious challenge barring divine intervention... We who feel this way must unite behind a third party if we’re going to accomplish anything.

Logical contradiction. Working within a party can accomplish far more than any fringe party ever will.

53 posted on 04/10/2012 5:46:57 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: Steamburg

“Why don’t we start working on a strategy to put Mittens in a corner where he has to do the conservative thing just to stay in the race.”

If that was possible, I wouldn’t have written this. There is no way for us to affect the establishment from within because they hold the reins of power.

Too many people are looped in to the party-line mentality to make a donation boycott a reality. If it was, I’d support that.


54 posted on 04/10/2012 5:49:01 PM PDT by Cato in PA (1/26/12: Bloody Thursday)
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To: Cato in PA

Oh C’mon. You are obviously a plant. Not voting for Mittens? You’ve obviously come here to force 0bummer upon us.

Come to think of it, the owner of this site hates Mittens, too. Mr. Robinson is a plant! He started this site for the sole purpose of getting us all to vote for The Won by not voting for Mitt!

Oh, the humanity!

/s


55 posted on 04/10/2012 5:49:22 PM PDT by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: Gene Eric

I’m an evangelical, and I’d have no trouble voting for Newt. His flat tax plan is fiscally conservative. Santorum is socially conservative. Either of those are acceptable compromises in my view.

Romney strikes out on both counts.


56 posted on 04/10/2012 5:50:33 PM PDT by Cato in PA (1/26/12: Bloody Thursday)
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To: Cato in PA

And this was the democratic strategy all along.

Get Romney the nomination and then push for a third party conservative candidate. This is exactly how the, ‘Little blue dress guy’, got elected twice without ever winning 50% of the popular vote.


57 posted on 04/10/2012 5:51:58 PM PDT by Delta Dawn (The whole truth.)
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To: eXe

I figure the Democrats figured out that the alternative media was putting out truth that conficted with their propaganda. Their response was the same as it was in the 60s: Take over the media. If they can’t block it, they can perhaps corrupt it, drive out the good people, and fill its channels with noise or more of their propaganda.

Free Republic was targeted after the Dan Rather-Bush NG forgery was in part revealed on FR. The ‘bots’ always have lots of spam loaded up to cut and paste into every thread.

They got to Charles Johnson on Little Green Footballs too. He was given an offer he could not refuse, and started kicking known and reliable people off. What they can no coopt, they destroy.

I wish we had a secret handshake or something. I guess Romney will have to be our secret handshake until something else comes along.


58 posted on 04/10/2012 5:51:58 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Defiant

Wrong on facts. The Whig party had self destructed earlier than 1860. The Speaker of the House was Republican in 1856.

It was the Democratic party that self destructed in 1860, running no less than 4 candidates, each convinced that he had ‘the answer’ to the looming crisis.


59 posted on 04/10/2012 5:56:47 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Cato in PA
Proceeding with a third party

Good for you and I've got just the candidate for you dumbass....maybe it will work this time. NOT!


60 posted on 04/10/2012 6:01:57 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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