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1 posted on 04/13/2012 4:03:26 AM PDT by opentalk
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WHY would anyone willingly live in Kalefornia?


2 posted on 04/13/2012 4:07:40 AM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: opentalk

Best thing they could for existing home prices.


3 posted on 04/13/2012 4:16:50 AM PDT by Kozak ("It's not an Election it's a Restraining Order" .....PJ O'Rourke)
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Yeah, let’s see them start with the limousine liberals in Beverly Hills and Malibu if they’re really serious about that crap.


10 posted on 04/13/2012 4:29:13 AM PDT by Stosh
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A major problem with high density housing is the spread of minor diseases and health problems. Also, there will be more neighbor-to-neighbor clashes of egos and annoyances.
This may be environmentally friendly, but it will be human deadly.


12 posted on 04/13/2012 4:32:07 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (End Obama's War On Freedom.)
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To: TEXOKIE

Agenda 21 Ping


15 posted on 04/13/2012 4:34:46 AM PDT by Whenifhow
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At 20 housing units per acre (with 640 acres in a square mile), this means each housing unit will be 2112.5 square feet or roughly 46ftx46ft without space between units. If we were to assume 8ft between units this means you get to live in a house 38ft x 38ft and still have no place to park your car.
These planners (read communists) will probably want high rise though.


17 posted on 04/13/2012 4:39:22 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (End Obama's War On Freedom.)
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Matrixville


18 posted on 04/13/2012 4:39:57 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Liberals need not reply.)
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Metropolitan area governments are adopting plans that would require most new housing to be built at 20 or more to the acre, which is at least five times the traditional quarter acre per house.

Concentrating the population into small areas while leaving large swaths of the country 'pristine' is all part of the UN's Agenda 21.

The environmentalist goals include atmospheric protection, combating pollution, protecting fragile environments, and conserving biological diversity. Agenda 21 goes well beyond environmentalism. Other broad goals include combating poverty, changing consumption patterns, promoting health, and reducing private property ownership, single-family homes, private car ownership, and privately owned farms.
Agenda 21: Conspiracy Theory or Real Threat?

19 posted on 04/13/2012 4:44:35 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a ~Person~ as created by the Law of Nature, not a 'person' as created by the laws of Man)
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Already done. Warsaw 1939.


20 posted on 04/13/2012 4:46:54 AM PDT by Gaffer
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Your friendly, brilliant, really-really smart Progressive apparatchiks at work. /S/

IMHO


21 posted on 04/13/2012 4:48:44 AM PDT by ripley
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2709310/posts

VAN JONES SHOCK ADMISSION [in his own words]: “Goal is Complete Revolution”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh4Z0V0zNQg
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Here is the transcript of the above YouTube video:

“Right after Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat if the civil rights leaders had jumped out and said OK now we want reparations for Slavery, we want redistribution of all the wealth, and we want to legalize mixed marriages. If we’d come out with a maximum program the very next day, they’d been laughed at. Instead they came out with a very minimum. “We just want to integrate these busses…”

But, inside that minimum demand was a very radical kernel that eventually meant that from 1964 to 1968 complete revolution was on the table for this country.

And, I think that this green movement has to pursue those same steps and stages.

Right now we say we want to move from suicidal gray capitalism to something eco-capitalism where at least we’re not fast-tracking the destruction of the whole planet. Will that be enough? No, it won’t be enough. We want to go beyond the systems of exploitation and oppression all together. But, that’s a process and I think that’s what’s great about the movement that is beginning to emerge is that the CRISIS is so severe in terms of joblessness, violence and now ecological threats that people are willing to be both pragmatic and visionary.

So the green economy will start off as a small subset and we are going to push it and push it and push it until it becomes the engine for transforming the whole society.
SOURCE for this transcript (it matches the video):

http://ironicsurrealism.blogivists.com/2009/09/02/van-jones-obamas-green-czar-%E2%80%98green-jobs%E2%80%99-goal-is-%E2%80%98complete-revolution%E2%80%99-away-from-%E2%80%98gray-capitalism%E2%80%99/


23 posted on 04/13/2012 4:52:55 AM PDT by Haddit
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I always thought Agenda 21 was a bunch of overblown hooey.

Not anymore!


25 posted on 04/13/2012 5:00:53 AM PDT by Peter from Rutland
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I have no objection to suburbs as long as they're not built on Civil War battlefields. What I do object to is the suburban entitlement mentality regarding roads. Let's take away eminent domain and tax subsidies for roadbuilding and see how cities develop in a real free market.

If people want to trade off a hard commute for a bigger house and yard, that's their choice. But people who make that choice should not expect government to destroy other people's neighborhoods to shave a few minutes off their drive times. Roads are a convenience to those who use them, but they are also noisy, dirty, and barriers to non-motorized traffic. The people whose neighborhoods are degraded by new roads deserve as much say as the commuters who just want an expressway to work.

Oh, well. It's a beautiful day. Most of my coworkers were on the road an hour ago. In another 15 minutes, I'll be hopping on my bike for my 10 minute ride to the office. All I'll say now is that we ought to build cities with an eye towards mixed use neighborhoods and reduced commutes. The suburban commuter drill should not be the unquestioned default option. We have bollixed up our cities and created innumerable social and economic problems with lousy planning over the last 50 years, and the overemphasis on cars is one of the root issues. That's not a problem that can be solved overnight, but we can chip away at it if we keep our eyes on the ball.

26 posted on 04/13/2012 5:01:53 AM PDT by sphinx
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http://www.thesunmagazine.org/issues/387/bridging_the_green_divide?page=2
The problem makers-—the warmongers, the polluters, the clear-cutters, the incarcerators-—get all the support they need from the government. The problem solvers-—the solar engineers and the people who are growing local and organic produce-—get very little support…
…We have to find union-wage jobs for low-income people, and those are just the sort of jobs that building a sustainable infrastructure will create.
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It would be arrogant for anybody to say that twentieth-century capitalism is the last word for humanity; that we will never invent a better way to allocate wealth. But even if capitalism isn’t viable in the long term, there is no way to get to a postcapitalist world except by going through a green-capitalism phase. I think there will be a postcapitalist society. I can’t predict what it will look like, except to say that it won’t resemble the last century’s attempts in that direction. The immediate challenge, however, is to make capitalism as green and humane as we possibly can. Doing that will conceivably buy us a few more decades or centuries on the planet.


28 posted on 04/13/2012 5:04:15 AM PDT by Haddit
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Use google earth to look at California. Most of the state is undeveloped. California is not running out of space to build homes on.

This is not about the ecology or because there is no room for more homes, this is about control, nothing more, nothing less.


30 posted on 04/13/2012 5:23:28 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN (California does not have a money problem it has a spending problem)
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Several years ago, Maryland’s governor, a Dem named Parris Glendening, had the state adopt a “no growth” plan.

The result was inadequate infastructure (road weren’t maintained, schools didn’t get built, water wells weren’t drilled) and as a special blessing, property values skyrocketed, commutes took longer (more gas was wasted) and there was a serious water shortage in Frederick County! Just in time for the housing downturn!

Oh, and who was Parris? Oh, you must remember him! Stuffed the ballot box in Baltimore County to win his first term, bankrupted PG County as the county executive and knocked-up one of his young staffers.


39 posted on 04/13/2012 6:21:50 AM PDT by cpa4you (CPA4YOU)
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More agenda21 creep by government

Road closure plan for Oregon's largest national forest targets a nearly 4,000-mile network roads

LA GRANDE --Starting in June, passenger cars, ATVs, dirt bikes and four-wheel-drive rigs can no longer travel on almost 4,000 miles of roads in Oregon's largest national forest...

44 posted on 04/13/2012 6:58:17 AM PDT by opentalk
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U.N. Agenda 21, coming to a (progressive) state near you.


48 posted on 04/13/2012 7:07:05 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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A caller ( I don’t think he said where he was) into Mark Levin midweek said he was having a lot of trouble getting a small barn built on what I recall was a TWENTY acre parcel.
It may have been a larger tract.

He said he’s seen efforts to get multiple score acres minimums for a single family home EVEN UP TO 160 ACRES.


49 posted on 04/13/2012 7:08:49 AM PDT by BonRad (Ut Roma cadit, sic omnis terra -As Rome falls, so the entire world)
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Better take the time to listen - it's almost too late. Better save these links - they're only the tip of what I could post. California is the canary in the coal mine.

Remember, they were ready to go “Smart Meters” a few years ago - but the people said NO.

All they had to do was wait - and now it's being perpetrated on us across the country.

I told the guy to take his Smart Meter - ah, back in his truck. Of course they fined me $40 up front and $12 a month...but if that's the price fora bit of freedom, so be it.

This 20-30- houses per acre - per Agenda 21- implemented through zoning fiat is how they intend to accelerate their agenda. (Also keep your nose to the ground for the other arm of The Agenda: protection of, acquiring of, wilderness areas and corridors, These high density ghettos will be isolated - see the agenda 21 map - and they plan on banning private vehicles as much as possible. I wouldn't be surprised if you wouldn't require ‘papers’ and travel permits to traverse wilderness areas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8YCLzlpDlw

Newt is the only candidate to talk about Agenda 21 - and vow to get America out of it.

Better wake up, America. This is not just happening in Calif. It's already well under way even in tiny hamlets of Maine - and statewide for the ‘wilderness’ acquisition and corridors. And the Sheeple sleep.As I look out into the forest bordering my 1 1/2+ piece of heaven, I cannot even envision having another 35-60 units on it. I wouldn't even see any sunlight, let alone forest. Time may come when this ole gal will head off into the deep woods and set up a tipi or dig into a hillside and build a Hobbit House, far from the Madding Crowd.

Better cache this - and as you listen to this - remember,obamamam has since passed a fiat that small farmers can't have their ‘children’ operate farm equip - not even anyone under 18 using a battery operated screw driver! (more farmers out of business) AND is putting 30,000 drones into the air to watch over rural America, particularly farms, to monitor what they are growing and how much. And no one questions the Constitutionality of drones watching Americans!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G89FzWTE9cE

THE map -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y38IdRu_khM

I live in a really rural state - our largest city, Portland, is 60,000. Further up the state, where I live, the country seat is only 6,000. And yet, I attended a meeting last month where the whole state was plotted for additional ‘wilderness areas and corridors’ - and shoving humans off.
Two months ago, I went to an open house pushing sales of the ‘ghetto’ units in a new ‘sustainable community’ - the developers/planners are from California...and have access to millions, first coming to town and hoodwinking the town officials for permits etc... This Agenda is well under way, under the radar - in YOUR communities.

Some communities/counties in the country are ‘awake’ and have passed an anti-Agenda 21 ordinance.

Wake up Sheeple - it's already almost too late.

And remember, Newt is the ONLY one who will stop it - will take us OUT of the UN Agenda 21 program. The rest are all in bed with it.

Newt on Agenda 21

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVD_R2WQOVw

54 posted on 04/13/2012 7:37:38 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ("If you bought it - a truck brought it" - and because of the price of gas/it costs more.)
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