Skip to comments.We will not waste our limited resources on FR in support for a liberal progressive LIAR
Posted on 04/13/2012 12:13:14 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
A reminder for those who are not receiving the message:
Romney is a pathological compulsive liar. Lie after lie papered over with more lies. Doesnt even flinch when caught in bald faced lies, simply tells another big whopper to cover up or dodge the issue. Funny thing, the man actually seems to believe his own latest lies and simply ignores the glaring record of his past actions/lies. And you have true blue establishment elite RINO Republicans like Karl Rove enabling and backing up his lies. Their motivation is simply to hang on to power (and riches) any way they can.
Ive stated many times since Romney started running for the presidency way back when that Id never vote for him and I will not. He cannot lie his way out of his decades long record of support for abortion, Roe v Wade, planned parenthood, gay rights, gun control, global warming, amnesty, liberal judges, big government, compulsory or socialized health care (RomneyCommieCare), mandates, Keynesian economics, support and approval of TARP, bailouts, stimulus packages, i.e, every damn liberal progressive issue that comes down the pike.
Cmon. These are the reasons the tea party sprang up and the reasons he and Rove loathe the tea party and our tea party conservative candidates. Romney famously expressed his loathing for Reagan-Bush conservatism several years ago when he was trying to run to the left of Ted Kennedy and now hes cloaking himself in Reagan conservatism, knowing full well that its a lie, but he knows its the only way he can possibly win, er buy the Republican nomination.
Screw Romney!! I absolutely will not support or vote for a proven compulsive liar with a known record of abortion and big government socialism, liberal appointments, etc. He still lies about RomneyCommieCare today. Calls it a conservative solution. Get real!!
Listen to what Ronald Reagan had to say about the elites pushing socialism on America via compulsory health insurance:
Ronald Reagan speaks out against RomneyCommieCare
There will be no campaign for this Massachusetts liberal liar on FR!!
Damn the libs and RINOS, full steam ahead!!
But no matter what happens we must turn out in November to vote IN as many conservatives and vote OUT as many rats as possible at all levels of government. If we don't have a conservative at the top of the ticket we must turn out anyway and vote straight conservative DOWN ticket!! Just think of it an off cycle election and pour on the TEA!! It'll be doubly important that we control both houses of congress and as many statehouses as possible.
Restore the 10th amendment!! Impeach the leftist president whoever he may be!! Restore Liberty!! Rebellion comes from the bottom up!!
WOO HOO!! I CAN SEE NOVEMBER FROM MY HOUSE!!
No Bama!! No Romney!! Go tea party rebellion!!
LOL, who is this 3rd party candidate that is getting 13% of vote? The Libertarians (unless maybe Paul runs) will get their standard .5% of the vote and other 3rd party's like the Constitution party will get a tiny fraction of the vote as per usual (think .15% or thereabouts). The total 3rd party take will amount to around 1-2% of the vote.
I'd be surprised if Romney gets 32-33%...
I agree that Romney is probably going to lose, but it will likely be a very close election and the victor is only going to win by a narrow margin. The scenario you've put forward here is utterly divorced from political reality and seems based on the idea that masses of Republican voters won't turn out for Mitt. That is a bad assumption. The hatred for Obama and desire to remove him from office will be sufficient to energize the vast majority of Republicans and even most conservatives. People like Palin, Santorum, Newt, Perry, Cain, Bachmann will all be out campaigning for him too in order to get the grass roots out.
Willard is a truly uninspiring and lousy candidate, but the idea some people are putting forward that he can't win is ridiculous. The bad economy alone gives him a decent chance. I'd say the chameleon has a 30-40% chance to be elected President.
And again, trying to float the meme that Rominy is the nominee so we should do our comparisons between little barry bastard and high priset Milt. I’m beginning to get the notion that it would be best for barry dunham/ aka barry soetoro, aka little barry bastard be re-elected and have to deal with a republicn run Senate and House. ... Although, the Republicnas have shown themselves to be cowardly and feckless, so they would probably not restrain the commie-in-chief much at all. It would however end the GOP-e election thuggery.
Ask yourself: Are there REALLY that many voters -- 85% or 90% of the "pie" of registered voters who actually show up to vote...who would vote for one of two mainstream liberal candidates?
In order for it to be a close election, you're looking at well over 85% of the nation -- perhaps 90% -- voting liberal...
Is our nation that far gone?
Yes. 98-99% who show up will vote for either the Democrat or Republican nominee. 1-2% will go 3rd party.
In order for it to be a close election, you're looking at well over 85% of the nation -- perhaps 90% -- voting liberal...
Elections are as much about voting against the other guy as they are an affirmative vote for any given candidate - and this is especially true in re-election campaigns which are usually referendums on the incumbent. The Republicans could nominate a moldy bale of hay and it would get most of the Republican and conservative vote simply as a rejection of Hussein. That's just how elections often work in a 2 party system without the possibility of coalition governments.
OOP’S i meant to add (sarc)!!!
I am much aware of what Romneys religions is....what he thinks concerning his religion he’s not about ready to divuldge apart from his usual no-substance remarks about pretty much everything.....
Additionally....He’s already been instructed not to get into conversations about his religion other than using the “script” we’ve heard time and again. And they’ll have a
script” ready for any question one might have from the news pundits. He’s simply not going to discuss it except in generalities..........because were he to do so and reveal the LDS beliefs as they are.......most would see him truly as ‘more than a fruitloop’ for beliving such nonesense.
I despise Romney, but it seems to me that I have no choice but to vote for him against Obama.
It’s not just about the next 4 years. More Obama appointees could lock up the Supreme Court for the next 40 years and destroy America for future generations.
What’s your response to that point?
Then again, I live in California, so my vote is basically irrelevant.
Uh, the abortionist, homosexual agenda pushing, global warming hoax pushing, amnesty pushing, gun grabbing, mandate loving, socialist health care imposing, Mitt Romney appoints leftist liberal judges, too.
Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!
I will not vote for or support a tyrant regardless of party!!
We don’t surrender, we reload!!
Who believed his lies against NEWT! LYING about another to make oneself look better is kindergarten stuff - shows the mentality of his supporters. Mitt lies/lied about Newt and so did Rick - they have the same lying spirit. Voters were attracted to a lying mouth. Rick's job was finished for mitt, he accomplished what he set out to do and what he has done before - 'doing it for the team'.
Those who supported mitt in 08, Rick and MB, he used this time for his purposes. They were more than willingly to help (as they have said in '08) 'conservative mitt'. Helping evil and duping voters never ends well. There is no going back for them - now they own it. Conservatives now have their hand in bringing down America by deceiving and their supporters by being allowed to be deceived. They REFUSED to listen.
Amen to that!
This election year may be a first for me. I’m tired of voting for the lesser of two evils. This has not taken us in the right direction. It only takes us in the wrong direction a little slower. But even that pace is making it less and less likely that we will survive this subversion.
We need to be equally as guarded against liberaltarian candidates who are appealing because of their fight for smaller government. The liberaltarians support a radically self-centered social agenda that, if implemented, will create such social anarchy that an iron-fisted state will be demanded to correct the social ills they create.
I despise Romney and those in the party that have trampled all over the rules to get him the nomination.
My perspective of the general election is this: We are going to have an economic meltdown, and sooner rather than later. I don’t believe there is a person out there that we could put in the WH that could stop what is coming. Even me (sorta sarcasm, although I do believe I am better than most of the potential candidates).
Romney is a Democrat, as they were in the old days before they went Marxist loony tunes. If the Democrat party was not a complete fascist machine as it is now, he would be running as a Democrat.
So, we are probably going to be faced with the choice of “liberal Democrat” or “Racist Marxist Democrat”. When the inevitable (humongous) crash comes, will Romney be less of a despot than *martial law* Obama? Will Romney be sending out his BrownShirts to confiscate our firearms?
I don’t know what Romney will do, but I firmly believe Obama is going to put the Soviet style iron fist to us. His goons will be literally coming after us. That is a sure thing.
We are so screwed.
God is the only 1 to Judge, no 1 else, and to presume that God will Judge harshly those who vote for the eventual nominee if it’s Romney? that’s arrogance beyond belief, and it’s not your place to presume how God will Judge.
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Christians are called to judge doctrine and behavior of those who claim to be Christians and Romney claims that (although Mormon theology precludes it).
And, by voting for someone who supports abortion and believes that he will become a God and that God is a sinner, you DO support it. If you claim to be a Christian, why support unchristian beliefs and practices?? Why vote for a cultist? Make all the excuses you want, but I will not wish Romney Godspeed because he believes a different gospel and that is unbiblical. I will not be party to his evil. By voting for him you are sharing his wicked work. I will stand on my principles, that isn’t arrogance that is trust in God.
2 John 1:10-11
If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take them into your house or welcome them. 11 Anyone who welcomes them shares in their wicked work.
Matthew 10:28 - Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
I know Romney’s religion inside and out and I will never vote for a man who took oaths and wears the apron of Lucifer (LDS Temple endowment ceremony). Yes I can give sources for all the LDS doctrine I have mentioned.
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First, let me begin by saying that all BS aside, I really do understand the position you and others are coming from. I don’t agree, but it is your choice to make and I would never dispute that.
“IN truth the potential for obama to destroy even more of America using only Presidential powers alone remains a scary scenario for me. To think that Mitt Romney would take the same path with Presidential powers as obama is not rational for me.”
I have no doubt that Obama will go full commie dictator. I think it would be unsupportable to think otherwise based on his actions, his ‘culture’ (alynski etc) and his stated goals. I do not think Romney would follow the style of Obama, but again, based on his actual in office political record, his flip flop diametrically opposed policy positioning on any given subject and his ‘off field’ antics over they years, I am just as convinced that we would end up in the very same place. But we will have taken a more ‘acceptable’ for lack of a better term, path to it. AKA he will just sugar coat the communism/cronyism.
“For me,I simply can’t do one thing that will “intentionally” help the dear leader to get reelected.”
I do not want him re-elected either. But IMO, because I believe (above), I think, while there will be differences in on the ground destruction, the result will be the same. In SOME ways even worse since the great collapse will come under Republican/”self described conservative” governance.
Who would ever again trust a Republican or conservative (Though he’s not close to one, everyone is being told he is and so they will believe it)? So we get the double whammy.
“Third parties really are not a viable option at this point of the game. At least for me.”
I think it would be possible, but because there are not enough of us willing to do the monumental work that would be required in such a short time (organization/cash etc), then realistically no, I don’t think it’s anything but a dream. We COULD have done it starting in 2008, or with great effort, even 2010. But now is most probably not possible without divine intervention.
“I still contend that we have made remarkable progress in fast tracing conservatism into the mainstream of American life in many ways.”
I agree completely. Talking with my 22 YO daughter, many of her acquaintances in and out of the military share a surprising number of our conservative values. Granted they are not hard Reaganites, but many are not buying the full boat liberal lie. They see the damage Zero has done and other lib disasters and they do not want it.
“Truth is the country is center right. If we begin to get our message out there are few in the country that will not grasp it.”
I agree. ‘Our’ message has always resonated generally well. But as you know, getting it out through the fog of the MSM is and always will be the thing slowing it. Thankfully the net/new media is making great strides, but they too are being co-opted as the MSM learns the ropes. Papers and TV/movies are a lost cause. IMO, we should abandon all hope for them and concentrate our efforts online. As Ipads flourish, so too will the MSM power wane.
“Much of the angst against Romney is the theory that he has done so and so in the past and that’s all we have to go for the future.”
IMO, we can only judge a man by his record. I agree that none of us can ‘know’ with ant certainty what he will do. I could be totally mistaken and he could be a good president. But I think the angst is well founded because over the years, he (without rehashing the details) is who he is. And that ‘is’ leads me to conclude that any change of heart would be in the intrests of Mitt Romney/his associates and not the country, even our allies. Again, I’m himan and can be totally 100% mistaken. But like you, I’m willing to gamble that I am not and am aware of the price of being wrong.
“I suggest that we are living in extraordinary times. It’s indeed possible that even though we may elect a rino President he may govern more to the right than we are aware. Romney has a huge business background its probably logical to think that his approach to governing an entire nation will bring much of that business background to play and given the right advisors after four years of of Romney there is little question in my mind that the nation will be far better off than four more years of an avowed Marxist/communist.”
I think he would govern in a more capitalist than Marxist way, true. But it’s they type of capitalism he enspouses that concerns me. Romney, from what I have seen/read/researched is the definition of a crony capitalist. And while the hard nosed businessman is one of the qualities we need right now, the negative aspects of that are not. In fact, they are the very same ‘capitalism’ as practiced in the former USS and modern China.
Personally I see little difference in Obama Running GM or Romney. And by that I mean everything that goes along with/enables it. His bailout/TARP type beliefs ect. When Bush began traveling that road, we railed him for it. It was the worst aspect of his presidency, again, IMO - but one I’ve seen many here agree with.
This also ties in to the albatross aspect discussed above. Already the Dems are pushing the “Mandate is a Conservative idea” meme. And MR is the man who believes “Mandates work”. Mandate and free enterprise are not comparable things. And it would be a Repub/Con at the help saying they are and instituting them. Whether it’s health or hardware.
“IN truth the potential for obama to destroy even more of America using only Presidential powers alone remains a scary scenario for me. To think that Mitt Romney would take the same path with Presidential powers as obama is not rational for me. For me,I simply can’t do one thing that will “intentionally” help the dear leader to get reelected.”
I understand. I really do. But based on the considerable information I have read on these two ‘candidates’ I am forced to conclude that Romney is every bit as bad, in different ways granted, but every bit as bad as Obama for this country. Again, we both know the details so no need to rehash, but to me, item for item, they cross cancel. Their ‘intangibles’ are likewise. Dealable for one, disaster for the other and vice versa.
No mater which we end up with, and hopefully Newt will find enough support so this ends up a theoretical exercise to begin with, I hope what emerges from the end result is salvageable.
This Nov you can choose big government statist A or big government statist B.
What a choice. :)
“Doesnt even flinch when caught in bald faced lies, simply tells another big whopper to cover up or dodge the issue. Funny thing, the man actually seems to believe his own latest lies and simply ignores the glaring record of his past actions/lies.”
That is so right on the money. His ability to lie without compunction is chilling. He must think he’s Joseph Smith. He has a “gift” for swindling people in a cultist like manner.
The “False Prophet” precedes the Anti-Christ so maybe he’s the latter & Obama the former.
If Romney wins, we will have to fight him every day he is in office.
#1...that would be the case only for what is deemed "hostile" media venues...NOT for friendly ones (those owned by the Mormon church)...in which they would put a LOT of time into parlaying which clips for the greatest PR advantage for Mormonism...
#2...Along those lines, you seem to neglect what the Mormon church would do PR-wise aside from Mitt's co-operation level...Lds, Inc. already has a larger commitment PR-wise/budget-wise than most religious entities...
I can see it now...the Mormon church using this to fully try to "mainstream" Mormonism from cult to accepted "Christian" religion...(It's already been happening)
Actually, I've been saying this on FR for over 5 years now...
Your choice of words 'eventual' like you are stuck and have NO CHOICE. Since when has having ones back against the wall - gives one permission to support a PRO HOMO, baby killing candidate?
That is the EXACT time when one shows what is really within them. If only evil is before them, do you go towards evil or away from it/resist it? It is what is WITHIN a person that rises up at that point. Either evil - go towards evil, or goodness - turns from it. Only evil supports evil. Goodness never does.
it's not your place to presume how God will Judge.
NO ONE IS PRESUMING!! You think His own doesn't KNOW? What kind of judge doesn't have laws/rules in place - how could one know what is allowed and what isn't. Do you have traffic rules - or would you go before a judge after getting a ticket for some violation and say I have NO IDEA what the rules/law is - therefore, I'm innocent. That is what you are saying - you have no idea what is pleasing to God or what is an offense.
NOW that is arrogance! Claiming you think it's OK to do whatever you want when it comes to a PRO HOMO, baby killing, LYING candidate because it was your only choice and then thinking you are innocent.
What if President Romney appoints a liberal to the Supreme Court?
Pre-RomneyCare & ObamaCare, yes there was taxpayer-funded abortion (Medicaid + funding of Planned Parenthood & the like), but we didn't have many Republican pols serving as instigators of this...[Hence, the Republican Party has had a long-term pro-life plank]
RomneyCare put EVERY Bay State taxpayer into the abortion-support "team." I mean, what? You'd say nothin' about a relative or neighbor cruising up & down your neighborhood...paying for girls & women to get abortions...
And, so you & many FREEPERs want to "high-five" Romney & endorse him for expanded Big Govt taxpayer-funded abortions?
I’ve thought a lot about this. I’ll do what I can to promote Newt, but if the option is between Mitt and Obama. I’ve decided to vote for Mitt....for 1 reason only. My son will be old enough to join the military soon, and I would rather have Mitt than Obama as CIC. Plus the likelihood of conflict increases with Obama exponentially. The choices suck, but this one issue trumps them all for me.
If Romney somehow got in the White House...he would show all the more reasons why it was a mistake to put him there to begin with...
So why would you come on this site & this thread & advocate double the trouble? (8 yrs...vs. 4...of sticking this country with Romney???)
Wall Street will OWN Mitt Romney.
With their money, he can fight off any primary challenge that comes his way. He won’t have to worry about that.
Hmmm...But apparently it's "A-OK" from God for you to come on this thread and "judge Reaganaut harshly" as "arrogant beyond belief..." eh???
Tell us why "it's your place to presume" such judgment on this thread of Reaganaut?
Why do you judge another if it's nobody's place to judge?
Why do so few hold the self-refuters' feet to the "fire" of accountability when they make statements like this?
So please...consistency, please...either preach "no judgment" -- and don't judge others practice-wise...or please reconsider/refrain from such sermonizing...
” - - - I hope what emerges from the end result is salvageable.”
Since the recent past, (GWB minus $ 4 Trillion/8 years; Obama minus $ 5 Trillion / 3+ years), has been non-salvagable, does that not require that there must be a fundamental financial philosophy change in “both” political parties?
Either Obama or Obamalite would produce NO change that is financially salvageable.
Romney’s pal, Rep. Ryan plans to hold onto our disastrous entitlements and magically balance the budget in 30 YEARS. No mention how he is going to pay off the 15 + Trillion Dollar dept.
Uprooting the GOP-Elites from their insanity, (”= doing the same things over and over again, and expecting different results” (Einstein)), is necessary to achieve a salvageable result.
I encourage you to re-consider your position on this matter.
How so? Romney knows as little about the military as Obama did when he became President. Romney will almost certainly go exactly where the polls tell him to go on military intervention, which is basically what Obama's doing. Our enemies are our enemies, so they're going to attack us no matter who's president, and in that case the polls will probably support us going to war, at least if we "bomb from the air" like Clinton, Obama support and no doubt Romney would make his only acceptable battle plan. Would definitely be curious to hear anyone explain what Romney would do differently militarily than Obama.
Romney's so gullible, he can't even accurately define the world religion of Christianity...As pointed out on this thread from today, he -- and other Mormon leaders -- think of Christians the same way Muslims do...to Muslims, Christians are "infidels"...to Mormons, Christians are apostates:
What does all of this have to do with foreign policy and and international discernment? If Romney can't even accurately define Christianity, how vulnerable to deception will he be with Islam???
You misunderstand me. I will not vote for Obama or Romney. Ever. I’m 100% for uprooting the Rinos and 100% in Jim’s camp.
Well that's possible but there will be tremendous pressure for on him to nominate a strict constructionist.
Obama on the other hand will without question nominate the most radical liberal progressive he can possibly find.
So this is a no brainer, nothing to even think about. Romney is the clear choice between the two.
I don't get the feeling you are thinking this way but this idea we'd be better off with four more years of Obama over Romney is just bull headed foolishness. No other way to explain it.
(Yeah, right...from a pro-life perspective, your statement is difficult to prove ...why do I say that? Well, Romney advocated the "right" for parents to give ("donate") their offspring to "research..."...He did this during a Katie Couric interview...December, 2007...You would think that conservatives would have held his feet to the fire for making such an absurd, schizophrenic statement...since he claimed he had undergone a "pro-life conversion" three years prior to that...but, no...hardly anything...and basically NOTHING from the Republican powers-that-be...)
Also, Romney has assumed three separate positions on treating homosexuals as minority-class status...First, he was for it...Then against it...Then he assumed a third position -- to allow states to do that...
Romney is so "all over the board" on so many issues...He cannot be trusted...
I wish that were the case. We/conservatives/the GOP won an overwhelming victory in Nov 2010 at the House level and 34 states (or something like that) flipping over to the GOP. Unfortunately Boner(Boehner) became the majority party (Repub) speaker of the House, and has proceeded to promptly piss away every bit of momentum & majority party status. As much as I hate 0dumb0, he has won every battle against the House GOP since Nov 2010. Boner is a complete cowardly incompetent imbecile, and 0dumb0 has played him for a chump, in winning battle with the House since Nov 2010. The debt ceiling increase of $2.4 Trillion is a classic example of giving everything to 0dumb0 and getting nothing in return. Boner could have drawn the line in the sand and demanded no debt ceiling increase and a $1 Trillion spending reduction in 2011-12, but didn't have the balls to do so. Unfortunately the House GOP and Senate GOP only seem to be marginally effective when they are in the minority. At which time, 0dumb0 & the dems steamroll everything over the GOP. I think we're screwed no matter who wins at this time.
[[Would you have rathered 4 years of Carter]]
We’re NOT talking Jimmy carterp- We’re talkign abotu 4 more years of someoen MUCH MUCH more evil and anti-American than Carter ever thought of being if everyoen just throws their hands i nthe air and says ‘Romeny can’t win so there’s no sense even goign out to vote-’ or ‘romeny isn’t my ideal candidate, and espouses thigns I don’t agree with, so therefore it’s better to not vote’- both of these scenarios ensures another 4 more years of thwem ost evil president we’ve ever haqd or ever will have mostl ikely
Let’s not forget- Not that I’m stickign up for romeny- or tryign to defend his compromises, but he governed in a VERY liberal state, and in oder to get anythign through that he wanted to, He no doubt had to compromise-
[[If you dont stand on principles, why are you voting at all?]]
I will vote because I AM standign on my principles- and because I also realize that even htough romeny iswn’t a good candidate, he’s the ONLY chance we have of defeating someone MUCH MUCH worse- I hate the fact that romeny is our only choice- I much woudl rather msot anyone else be the candidate- but that’s not how the cards have palyed out unfortunately
[[Not to mention, if we DID find a 3rd party conservative candidate who became as prominent as Ross Perot, they probably WOULD stand a much better chance of being elected than Perot did.]]
too many epopel wouldn’t vote a non traditional candidate- I’m afraid- I’d be all for a 3’rd party IF they actually stood a chance- I hate hte fact that the GOP has slid so far to the left- but a vote for a third party is no different than not voting at all- it’d be one less vote obama had to worry about agaisnt him
[[Not to mention, theres a chance John Huntsman makes it onto that Americans Elect ticket on all 50 ballots.]]
I don;t know too much abotu huntsman- I did see him on fox one night, and liked what he said- I wish you were right though- He can’t be as bad as romney- and I’d jumop at hte chace to suipport him over romeny- I hate that romney is hte only chocie we have- but it’s better I guess than no chocie at all
[[JimRob made it very clear that support for Romney WILL NOT BE GIVEN from this forum, nor be permitted here.]]
Well then I guess you better run to Jim Rob and turn me right in gthere INVAR- and to be frank about it- I’m not really interested in being a part of any forum where our voices are not allowed-
[[You make the entire case that no matter what - Conservatives are going to be blamed for Romneys loss to Obama if he is the nominee,]]
No Invar- that is NOT what I said- my case is that conservatives that refuse to vote for the ONLY chance to defeat obama (no matter how crappy a chance it is) may be what decides whether obama has 4 more years
[[We refuse to buy the argument that not voting for Romney re-elects Obama,]]
you can refuse all you want, but ross perot cost george bush votes that may very well have got him the election- there is statistivcal evidence that votign third party benifits the left- and every vote tha is htrown away is one less vote obama has to worry about
[[If you and the rest of the Romneybots dont like that]]
What are you 12 years old?
I understand your passion is high on this issue- but if you are goign to resort to gradescghool insults- I’ll simply ignore your future psots
The US allied with Stalin to defeat Hitler. Romney’s a lot better than Stalin.
I’m voting for whomever can beat Obama. If it’s not Romney, please give me a viable alternative. Staying home righteously indignant on election day is not a constructive solution.
Sadly, the FR is at risk of becoming marginalized and irrelevant.
[[Romney’s already a loser...and the GOP-e — not us — picked the loser...]]
That’s the spirit-
[[If the GOP-e wanted to — for a change of pace — consider its base & who we would support, it wouldn’t have given us Romney. ]]
True- but they didn’t- an it is what it is- and we have to try to make hte best of a crappy siturtion- or at least we should isntead of declarign everything is hopeless
[[...but seared your conscience forever...
...you’ve permanently lost ANY ground upon which to criticize ANY big-government/socialized boondoggle...having supported a big-govt socialist boondoggle candidate yourself...]]
Let’s make oen htign clear here- I don’t support romeny- I support voting obama who is MUCH MUCH worse than romeny out of office for all the reasons I’ve previously stated-
Let’s say that you know of a boss who is abusing employees- is brutal, cruel, hates his employees, and does whatever he can to make life miserable for them- and let’s say that life has becoem unbearable under that boss- now let’s say a person is running to replace that boss- and is the only choice we’ve got to replace that boss but hwo isn’t everythign we had hooped for- woudl it be better to keep the abusive cruekl boss inplace? Or go with htel esser of two evils for the sake of easing some of he cruelty agaisnt the abused employees?
We KNOW for a FACt that udner obama- millions have lost hteir jos, businesses have had such strict regulations put on them that htey’ve had to fire people, folsk havel ost hteir homes and are out on the streets, and that that whole families are lving o nthe streets duwe to losding hteir homes thanks to a far left socialist liberal who couldn’t give two craps abotu them- Is it ethical to abstain from voting and keeping a known antiamerican out of touch chicago thug in office? Or shoudl we try to at the very leaqst lessen the abuse by voting in a different boss even if they aren’t optimal if it’;s the oly real chance we have to get the current thiug out of office?
you talk abotu conscience beign seared- Yet apparently you’rs wouldn’;t be seared IF obama were to get another 4 years, and it was shown statistically that had mroe conservatives simpyly held hteir noses and voted romeny then he wouldn’t have gaiend another 4 years?
I;m sorry, but I don’;t understand how leavign someone so brutally and blatantly antiamerican in office is better than gettign someone in who at least does have soem conservative values- obama has none- zero- zip- nada- Hell, he isn’;t even proud of this country!
I just dont get it-
Not an adequate excuse at all. That's akin to a German Nazi soldier saying they were "just following orders." Look at Newt or Allen West. When they get redistricted into a liberal district, they don't change their policies in order to hold onto power for selfish reasons, they get up and move their home to a conservative district and run there. They are interested in promoting conservative policies. It wouldn't make any sense to them to change their principles just so they could hold onto their title.
Everything we know about Mitt says he was VERY happy promoting the policies he promoted in Massachusetts, not that he was unhappily caving in to someone else's demands.
Because I believe that Mitt's type of "leadership" will lead to a Democrat revolution in Congress in 2014 and a new Democrat presidency in 2016, I think it's bad strategy to vote for him. The Democrats are in such a bad position in Congress this year that I don't think they can win Congress even if Obama wins. And if Obama wins, Tea Partiers will show up big in 2014 to vote in more conservatives to oppose him. Then we get another chance to elect a conservative president in 2016.
Also, with the economy doing so bad, Obama really doesn’t have a mandate from the public to do whatever he wants to do on other issues. I also think the Tea Party strategy going forward has to incorporate much more APPEALING TO THE PUBLIC than simply trying to get candidates elected. The Tea Party has to find a way to take their case to the public. If the public demands more conservative policies loudly enough, they can make almost any elected official cave in to their demands. And if the public ISN’T behind what the Tea Party wants, we can rant and rave as a small minority all we want, maybe win a few elections, but never make any lasting change happen.
[[Look at Newt or Allen West. When they get redistricted into a liberal district, they don’t change their policies in order to hold onto power for selfish reasons, they get up and move their home to a conservative district and run there.]]
I woudl love it IF Newt were the nominee- you have no idea how much I don’t want romeny to be our only chance against obama- but again- it is what it is- And Yes, I agree with you that romeny did sell his soul in order to govern in mass- however, Are we to beleive he didn’t pass ANY conservative measures in office at all? Some is better than none- especially in a state that is really really liberal-
[[Because I believe that Mitt’s type of “leadership” will lead to a Democrat revolution in Congress in 2014 and a new Democrat presidency in 2016, I think it’s bad strategy to vote for him]]
I beleive it’s an even worse strategy to have obama in for 4 more years- it will be too damaging to this country- He has alreadty stated his intentions when he is ‘unleashed’ when he ‘gets reelected’ in his own words-
We have seen obama snjub his nose at the constitution, the supreme court, the church- business etc etc etc- and again, we only saw the tip of the iceberg as he ‘tested the waters’ to see how far he could push- IF reelected he will show outright contempt for constution, for the limited power of hte presidency- he will ignore his limits and do whatever hte hell he likes, and noone will try to stop him because it will come slowly and in pieces so that people aren;t aware their rights have been undone- Her’s a dangerous man- very dan gerous-
[[Then we get another chance to elect a conservative president in 2016.]]
Says who? it will be just more of the same- the gop will make sure some other dolt gets the nomination, and conservatkives will AGAIN refuse to vote for them- on and on it will go- UNLESS the teaparty can bring soething to the table- they had 3 years to do so, and all we really got was a woman whom the media knw they could defeat easily- (I’m not discounting hte great work the tea party did in getrting governors and senators elected who are truly better conservatives than what was in there- but in the presidential candidate department, they haven’;t got a good track record. Yes Sarah woudl have been the much betterchoice, but the media was not goign to allow her to win- The media decides who the nominees will be- and all to often, the choices are not very good- but we have to trry to make hte best of it
I wish God would give usw good and righteous kings so that our country could properly prosper again, but He isn’t, all we have is a poor choice to choose from- but in my mind, while it stinks, it’s still better than the blatant radical i nhtere right now
[[Also, with the economy doing so bad, Obama really doesnt have a mandate from the public to do whatever he wants to do on other issues.]]
I dissagree- this president is so arrogant that he doesnm’t give a damn what the public thinks- infact, he’s so arrogant, he looks hte public in hte eye and darwes them to stop him knowing full well the public will not
[[I also think the Tea Party strategy going forward has to incorporate much more APPEALING TO THE PUBLIC than simply trying to get candidates elected.]]
[[And if the public ISNT behind what the Tea Party wants, we can rant and rave as a small minority all we want, maybe win a few elections, but never make any lasting change happen.]]
I’m afraid that might be the case already- hopefully the teaparty can become stronger andm ore influential (althogh it did have quite a bit of influence in mid elections- hopefully that steam can continue althjough it seems to be wanign a bit)
Bully for Newt, Palin, Bachman and whatever other professional politician wants to dance with the Ruling Class.
I'm not one of them. I don't care if I am the ONLY person in the whole damn country who won't knuckle under and vote for Romney, I WON'T ever cast a vote for the slime.
He represents the enemy. I won't be voting him into power with my vote.
I'll be voting for a staunch Conservative, and I am going to campaign for as many folks as I know to do the same. The GOP can go to hell where it belongs.
Then you should leave. I guess you did not read JimRob's CLEAR statement about promoting Romney in any capacity on his forum.
Or if you did, you are choosing to ignore it.
my case is that conservatives that refuse to vote for the ONLY chance to defeat obama (no matter how crappy a chance it is) may be what decides whether obama has 4 more years
I do not buy the argument and you cannot convince me or others like me to buy into that scare-tactic. I will not abandon my principles and vote for treason to the same by voting for Romney in any capacity.
Obama was guaranteed 4 more years by the Ruling Class who ramrodded Romney down our throats, sabotaged every Conservative standing in his way. I won't accept the blame - EVER. You can KMA if you try to accuse us of such.
there is statistivcal evidence that votign third party benifits the left- and every vote tha is htrown away is one less vote obama has to worry about
That argument was blasted about in 2008 and many of us knuckled under the threat. We're not going to be insane and do the same thing in 2012 we did in 2008 and expect different results. Pound sand. If it's Romney in November, we're voting 3rd party or writing in our candidate. We do not care what you scare-mongering Romneybot RINOs think anymore. We're at war with those things anathema to our principles.
We're done rewarding RINOs. We're done with the GOP. May it go the way of the Whigs quickly. Conservatives need a new party to call home.
The GOP-e will have given us 4 more years of Obama by shoving Romney on us, Obama's chosen opponent - while the whole lot of the Ruling Class laughs their asses off at how stupid and gullible Republicans are to eat an excrement sandwich, and do so eagerly on the false notion that Obama gets dethroned.
Do not waste my time with your self-righteous drivel!
In a way I seem to be caught between two worlds.Internally forced to support someone who really does not share my values to the degree that i would like but still far better than the other choice.
I understand you have made the compromise so much you are sick of it. For me I really can't go there. I'm hopeful that we light a fire under all rino butts and slowly but surely get rid of them. But the stakes are so high I am willing to do it incrementally,a little at a time just like the marxists are doing to us. For me "not to" oppose them every chance I get is not an option.
It's always great chatting with you.