Skip to comments.We will not waste our limited resources on FR in support for a liberal progressive LIAR
Posted on 04/13/2012 12:13:14 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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Romney is a pathological compulsive liar. Lie after lie papered over with more lies. Doesnt even flinch when caught in bald faced lies, simply tells another big whopper to cover up or dodge the issue. Funny thing, the man actually seems to believe his own latest lies and simply ignores the glaring record of his past actions/lies. And you have true blue establishment elite RINO Republicans like Karl Rove enabling and backing up his lies. Their motivation is simply to hang on to power (and riches) any way they can.
Ive stated many times since Romney started running for the presidency way back when that Id never vote for him and I will not. He cannot lie his way out of his decades long record of support for abortion, Roe v Wade, planned parenthood, gay rights, gun control, global warming, amnesty, liberal judges, big government, compulsory or socialized health care (RomneyCommieCare), mandates, Keynesian economics, support and approval of TARP, bailouts, stimulus packages, i.e, every damn liberal progressive issue that comes down the pike.
Cmon. These are the reasons the tea party sprang up and the reasons he and Rove loathe the tea party and our tea party conservative candidates. Romney famously expressed his loathing for Reagan-Bush conservatism several years ago when he was trying to run to the left of Ted Kennedy and now hes cloaking himself in Reagan conservatism, knowing full well that its a lie, but he knows its the only way he can possibly win, er buy the Republican nomination.
Screw Romney!! I absolutely will not support or vote for a proven compulsive liar with a known record of abortion and big government socialism, liberal appointments, etc. He still lies about RomneyCommieCare today. Calls it a conservative solution. Get real!!
Listen to what Ronald Reagan had to say about the elites pushing socialism on America via compulsory health insurance:
Ronald Reagan speaks out against RomneyCommieCare
There will be no campaign for this Massachusetts liberal liar on FR!!
Damn the libs and RINOS, full steam ahead!!
But no matter what happens we must turn out in November to vote IN as many conservatives and vote OUT as many rats as possible at all levels of government. If we don't have a conservative at the top of the ticket we must turn out anyway and vote straight conservative DOWN ticket!! Just think of it an off cycle election and pour on the TEA!! It'll be doubly important that we control both houses of congress and as many statehouses as possible.
Restore the 10th amendment!! Impeach the leftist president whoever he may be!! Restore Liberty!! Rebellion comes from the bottom up!!
WOO HOO!! I CAN SEE NOVEMBER FROM MY HOUSE!!
No Bama!! No Romney!! Go tea party rebellion!!
Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!
I will not vote for or support a tyrant regardless of party!!
We don’t surrender, we reload!!
Who believed his lies against NEWT! LYING about another to make oneself look better is kindergarten stuff - shows the mentality of his supporters. Mitt lies/lied about Newt and so did Rick - they have the same lying spirit. Voters were attracted to a lying mouth. Rick's job was finished for mitt, he accomplished what he set out to do and what he has done before - 'doing it for the team'.
Those who supported mitt in 08, Rick and MB, he used this time for his purposes. They were more than willingly to help (as they have said in '08) 'conservative mitt'. Helping evil and duping voters never ends well. There is no going back for them - now they own it. Conservatives now have their hand in bringing down America by deceiving and their supporters by being allowed to be deceived. They REFUSED to listen.
Amen to that!
This election year may be a first for me. I’m tired of voting for the lesser of two evils. This has not taken us in the right direction. It only takes us in the wrong direction a little slower. But even that pace is making it less and less likely that we will survive this subversion.
We need to be equally as guarded against liberaltarian candidates who are appealing because of their fight for smaller government. The liberaltarians support a radically self-centered social agenda that, if implemented, will create such social anarchy that an iron-fisted state will be demanded to correct the social ills they create.
I despise Romney and those in the party that have trampled all over the rules to get him the nomination.
My perspective of the general election is this: We are going to have an economic meltdown, and sooner rather than later. I don’t believe there is a person out there that we could put in the WH that could stop what is coming. Even me (sorta sarcasm, although I do believe I am better than most of the potential candidates).
Romney is a Democrat, as they were in the old days before they went Marxist loony tunes. If the Democrat party was not a complete fascist machine as it is now, he would be running as a Democrat.
So, we are probably going to be faced with the choice of “liberal Democrat” or “Racist Marxist Democrat”. When the inevitable (humongous) crash comes, will Romney be less of a despot than *martial law* Obama? Will Romney be sending out his BrownShirts to confiscate our firearms?
I don’t know what Romney will do, but I firmly believe Obama is going to put the Soviet style iron fist to us. His goons will be literally coming after us. That is a sure thing.
We are so screwed.
God is the only 1 to Judge, no 1 else, and to presume that God will Judge harshly those who vote for the eventual nominee if it’s Romney? that’s arrogance beyond belief, and it’s not your place to presume how God will Judge.
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Christians are called to judge doctrine and behavior of those who claim to be Christians and Romney claims that (although Mormon theology precludes it).
And, by voting for someone who supports abortion and believes that he will become a God and that God is a sinner, you DO support it. If you claim to be a Christian, why support unchristian beliefs and practices?? Why vote for a cultist? Make all the excuses you want, but I will not wish Romney Godspeed because he believes a different gospel and that is unbiblical. I will not be party to his evil. By voting for him you are sharing his wicked work. I will stand on my principles, that isn’t arrogance that is trust in God.
2 John 1:10-11
If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take them into your house or welcome them. 11 Anyone who welcomes them shares in their wicked work.
Matthew 10:28 - Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
I know Romney’s religion inside and out and I will never vote for a man who took oaths and wears the apron of Lucifer (LDS Temple endowment ceremony). Yes I can give sources for all the LDS doctrine I have mentioned.
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First, let me begin by saying that all BS aside, I really do understand the position you and others are coming from. I don’t agree, but it is your choice to make and I would never dispute that.
“IN truth the potential for obama to destroy even more of America using only Presidential powers alone remains a scary scenario for me. To think that Mitt Romney would take the same path with Presidential powers as obama is not rational for me.”
I have no doubt that Obama will go full commie dictator. I think it would be unsupportable to think otherwise based on his actions, his ‘culture’ (alynski etc) and his stated goals. I do not think Romney would follow the style of Obama, but again, based on his actual in office political record, his flip flop diametrically opposed policy positioning on any given subject and his ‘off field’ antics over they years, I am just as convinced that we would end up in the very same place. But we will have taken a more ‘acceptable’ for lack of a better term, path to it. AKA he will just sugar coat the communism/cronyism.
“For me,I simply can’t do one thing that will “intentionally” help the dear leader to get reelected.”
I do not want him re-elected either. But IMO, because I believe (above), I think, while there will be differences in on the ground destruction, the result will be the same. In SOME ways even worse since the great collapse will come under Republican/”self described conservative” governance.
Who would ever again trust a Republican or conservative (Though he’s not close to one, everyone is being told he is and so they will believe it)? So we get the double whammy.
“Third parties really are not a viable option at this point of the game. At least for me.”
I think it would be possible, but because there are not enough of us willing to do the monumental work that would be required in such a short time (organization/cash etc), then realistically no, I don’t think it’s anything but a dream. We COULD have done it starting in 2008, or with great effort, even 2010. But now is most probably not possible without divine intervention.
“I still contend that we have made remarkable progress in fast tracing conservatism into the mainstream of American life in many ways.”
I agree completely. Talking with my 22 YO daughter, many of her acquaintances in and out of the military share a surprising number of our conservative values. Granted they are not hard Reaganites, but many are not buying the full boat liberal lie. They see the damage Zero has done and other lib disasters and they do not want it.
“Truth is the country is center right. If we begin to get our message out there are few in the country that will not grasp it.”
I agree. ‘Our’ message has always resonated generally well. But as you know, getting it out through the fog of the MSM is and always will be the thing slowing it. Thankfully the net/new media is making great strides, but they too are being co-opted as the MSM learns the ropes. Papers and TV/movies are a lost cause. IMO, we should abandon all hope for them and concentrate our efforts online. As Ipads flourish, so too will the MSM power wane.
“Much of the angst against Romney is the theory that he has done so and so in the past and that’s all we have to go for the future.”
IMO, we can only judge a man by his record. I agree that none of us can ‘know’ with ant certainty what he will do. I could be totally mistaken and he could be a good president. But I think the angst is well founded because over the years, he (without rehashing the details) is who he is. And that ‘is’ leads me to conclude that any change of heart would be in the intrests of Mitt Romney/his associates and not the country, even our allies. Again, I’m himan and can be totally 100% mistaken. But like you, I’m willing to gamble that I am not and am aware of the price of being wrong.
“I suggest that we are living in extraordinary times. It’s indeed possible that even though we may elect a rino President he may govern more to the right than we are aware. Romney has a huge business background its probably logical to think that his approach to governing an entire nation will bring much of that business background to play and given the right advisors after four years of of Romney there is little question in my mind that the nation will be far better off than four more years of an avowed Marxist/communist.”
I think he would govern in a more capitalist than Marxist way, true. But it’s they type of capitalism he enspouses that concerns me. Romney, from what I have seen/read/researched is the definition of a crony capitalist. And while the hard nosed businessman is one of the qualities we need right now, the negative aspects of that are not. In fact, they are the very same ‘capitalism’ as practiced in the former USS and modern China.
Personally I see little difference in Obama Running GM or Romney. And by that I mean everything that goes along with/enables it. His bailout/TARP type beliefs ect. When Bush began traveling that road, we railed him for it. It was the worst aspect of his presidency, again, IMO - but one I’ve seen many here agree with.
This also ties in to the albatross aspect discussed above. Already the Dems are pushing the “Mandate is a Conservative idea” meme. And MR is the man who believes “Mandates work”. Mandate and free enterprise are not comparable things. And it would be a Repub/Con at the help saying they are and instituting them. Whether it’s health or hardware.
“IN truth the potential for obama to destroy even more of America using only Presidential powers alone remains a scary scenario for me. To think that Mitt Romney would take the same path with Presidential powers as obama is not rational for me. For me,I simply can’t do one thing that will “intentionally” help the dear leader to get reelected.”
I understand. I really do. But based on the considerable information I have read on these two ‘candidates’ I am forced to conclude that Romney is every bit as bad, in different ways granted, but every bit as bad as Obama for this country. Again, we both know the details so no need to rehash, but to me, item for item, they cross cancel. Their ‘intangibles’ are likewise. Dealable for one, disaster for the other and vice versa.
No mater which we end up with, and hopefully Newt will find enough support so this ends up a theoretical exercise to begin with, I hope what emerges from the end result is salvageable.
This Nov you can choose big government statist A or big government statist B.
What a choice. :)
“Doesnt even flinch when caught in bald faced lies, simply tells another big whopper to cover up or dodge the issue. Funny thing, the man actually seems to believe his own latest lies and simply ignores the glaring record of his past actions/lies.”
That is so right on the money. His ability to lie without compunction is chilling. He must think he’s Joseph Smith. He has a “gift” for swindling people in a cultist like manner.
The “False Prophet” precedes the Anti-Christ so maybe he’s the latter & Obama the former.
If Romney wins, we will have to fight him every day he is in office.
#1...that would be the case only for what is deemed "hostile" media venues...NOT for friendly ones (those owned by the Mormon church)...in which they would put a LOT of time into parlaying which clips for the greatest PR advantage for Mormonism...
#2...Along those lines, you seem to neglect what the Mormon church would do PR-wise aside from Mitt's co-operation level...Lds, Inc. already has a larger commitment PR-wise/budget-wise than most religious entities...
I can see it now...the Mormon church using this to fully try to "mainstream" Mormonism from cult to accepted "Christian" religion...(It's already been happening)
Actually, I've been saying this on FR for over 5 years now...
Your choice of words 'eventual' like you are stuck and have NO CHOICE. Since when has having ones back against the wall - gives one permission to support a PRO HOMO, baby killing candidate?
That is the EXACT time when one shows what is really within them. If only evil is before them, do you go towards evil or away from it/resist it? It is what is WITHIN a person that rises up at that point. Either evil - go towards evil, or goodness - turns from it. Only evil supports evil. Goodness never does.
it's not your place to presume how God will Judge.
NO ONE IS PRESUMING!! You think His own doesn't KNOW? What kind of judge doesn't have laws/rules in place - how could one know what is allowed and what isn't. Do you have traffic rules - or would you go before a judge after getting a ticket for some violation and say I have NO IDEA what the rules/law is - therefore, I'm innocent. That is what you are saying - you have no idea what is pleasing to God or what is an offense.
NOW that is arrogance! Claiming you think it's OK to do whatever you want when it comes to a PRO HOMO, baby killing, LYING candidate because it was your only choice and then thinking you are innocent.
What if President Romney appoints a liberal to the Supreme Court?
Pre-RomneyCare & ObamaCare, yes there was taxpayer-funded abortion (Medicaid + funding of Planned Parenthood & the like), but we didn't have many Republican pols serving as instigators of this...[Hence, the Republican Party has had a long-term pro-life plank]
RomneyCare put EVERY Bay State taxpayer into the abortion-support "team." I mean, what? You'd say nothin' about a relative or neighbor cruising up & down your neighborhood...paying for girls & women to get abortions...
And, so you & many FREEPERs want to "high-five" Romney & endorse him for expanded Big Govt taxpayer-funded abortions?
I’ve thought a lot about this. I’ll do what I can to promote Newt, but if the option is between Mitt and Obama. I’ve decided to vote for Mitt....for 1 reason only. My son will be old enough to join the military soon, and I would rather have Mitt than Obama as CIC. Plus the likelihood of conflict increases with Obama exponentially. The choices suck, but this one issue trumps them all for me.
If Romney somehow got in the White House...he would show all the more reasons why it was a mistake to put him there to begin with...
So why would you come on this site & this thread & advocate double the trouble? (8 yrs...vs. 4...of sticking this country with Romney???)
Wall Street will OWN Mitt Romney.
With their money, he can fight off any primary challenge that comes his way. He won’t have to worry about that.
Hmmm...But apparently it's "A-OK" from God for you to come on this thread and "judge Reaganaut harshly" as "arrogant beyond belief..." eh???
Tell us why "it's your place to presume" such judgment on this thread of Reaganaut?
Why do you judge another if it's nobody's place to judge?
Why do so few hold the self-refuters' feet to the "fire" of accountability when they make statements like this?
So please...consistency, please...either preach "no judgment" -- and don't judge others practice-wise...or please reconsider/refrain from such sermonizing...
” - - - I hope what emerges from the end result is salvageable.”
Since the recent past, (GWB minus $ 4 Trillion/8 years; Obama minus $ 5 Trillion / 3+ years), has been non-salvagable, does that not require that there must be a fundamental financial philosophy change in “both” political parties?
Either Obama or Obamalite would produce NO change that is financially salvageable.
Romney’s pal, Rep. Ryan plans to hold onto our disastrous entitlements and magically balance the budget in 30 YEARS. No mention how he is going to pay off the 15 + Trillion Dollar dept.
Uprooting the GOP-Elites from their insanity, (”= doing the same things over and over again, and expecting different results” (Einstein)), is necessary to achieve a salvageable result.
I encourage you to re-consider your position on this matter.
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