I’ve scanned this thread because it was brought to my attention by another FReeper.
Jim (and all) your opinions of Romney have been quite clear and you’ve been very vocal about them.
And many of you were particularly vocal, in vicious, nasty ways, when there were better candidates; far better(I would say exceptional) than what we are left with now.
I’ll never forget the way in which Governor Perry and his supporters were treated on this forum. But what was stunning was that it was allowed with the participation of many veteran FReepers, mods and even you Jim.
In fact, Jim, you screamed (computer wise) at Cincinatus’ Wife for posting a pro Perry post on a Cain thread and told her to “get the hell off the thread”. Absolutely stunning and shocking. At that time, I thought perhaps your account was being used by someone ‘other’ than you (and said that to those who were upset over it) as you were, at that time, going through some serious health issues. But I read through here and see that the style of telling those to go get F’d is the same as it was then and directed at some longtime FReepers...FReepers who donated and thought they had a home here. Just wow...
Personally, I was initially for Gov Palin. A Palin/Perry or Perry/Palin ticket was, imho, the dream ticket. But it was not to be. And it was clear after the Iowa debacle that Palin was not in it to be a candidate. The treatment of Christine O’Donnell at that event and the entire chaotic presentation showed just how far her organization devolved (again imo) and how disorganzied it was.
She was never serious about running so I moved on to Gov Perry. A man who is running the 13th largest economy in the world, a man who has been loyal to the constitution, a man who served his country honorably. What was the response on FR? Ugly, nasty defaming comments. Perry’s supporters had to endure name calling, and personal attacks with no moderation what so ever. We were called racists, and then accused of being for open borders (go figure). La Raza Rick, Guardisil Rick, Trans Corridor Rick ... with abosolutely no reasoning with those posters at all; and some were even encouraged by mods.
And now look at what we are stuck with. Not that FR had the influence to determine that but I do consider it a ‘picture’ of conservative thinking which, is as chaotic as I’ve ever witnessed in my life.
We are not electing a king but we are trying to rid ourselves of a king/tyrant wanna-be. A man who is a traitor to this nation; who is giving aid and comfort to our enemies. A man WHO IS ATTACKING AMERICANS and everything American has stood for! I will crawl over broken glass to vote against him.
Romney has been very vocal about supporting 2nd amendment rights, choosing constitutional justices, defunding planned parenthood etc. Now these may be different than when he was gov of Mass but we forgive Newt Gingrich for his background and we’re willing to accept him for what he has done and based upon what he says he now believes INCLUDING global warming etc.
I just want to know what the hell the difference is? I have a posting of Newt’s record too and believe me, he HAS NOT BEEN A CONSTITUTIONAL conservative always either. But NOT voting is NOT an option.
The other day there was a thread on Romney and like I said then, I hope Newt can pull a rabbit out because he’ll have my vote but make no mistake about it, Newt Gingrich is as responsible for the situation we are in as GW, or any of the RINOS.
Why do you believe Gingrich has changed and yet, don’t believe Romney when he says he has too?
If Romney is the nominee, I will vote for him. I may hate it but I love my country more than I hate Romney.
Newt’s record coming up. NOT to disparage the man but to show that he too has jumped the shark at times.
I believe him when he says he was wrong; I believe Romney too ......who the hell is left? Ron ‘crazy uncle in the attic’ Paul???
I post this because some of these very issues are the same ones that everyone is hanging Romney over. And note: there IS good among the not so good.
05/04/1979 He voted for a federal land grab that put tens of millions of
acres of land in the hands of Washington bureaucrats.
09/20/1979 He voted to raise the debt ceiling for the first time.
09/27/1979 He voted to establish the Federal Department of Education.
06/04/1980 He voted to raise the debt ceiling for the second time.
02/05/1981 He voted to raise the debt ceiling for the third time.
06/28/1984 He voted to raise the debt ceiling for the fourth time.
04/02/1987 He cosponsored the 1987 Fairness Doctrine (anti 1st Amendment
02/22/1989 He cosponsored the Global Warming Prevention Act of 1989.
10/22/1991 He voted for an amendment that would create a National Police
03//1993 He was passionately in favor of sending $1.6 Billion in
foreign aid to Russia.
11/19/1993 He voted for the NAFTA Implementation Act.
11/27/1994 He supported the GATT Treaty giving sovereignty to the U.N.
12/25/1994 He was quoted as saying that his wife was not young enough or
pretty enough to be the wife of the President. And besides, she has cancer.
04/10/1995 He supported Federal taxdollars being spent on abortions.
06//1995 He wrote the foreword to a book about tearing down the U.S.
Constitution and implementing a Fascist World Government.
08/27/1995 He suggests that drug smuggling should carry a death sentence.
01/06/1996 He himself conceived a secret CIA mission to topple the Iranian
04/18/1996 He voted for Federal restrictions on laser sighting devices.
04/25/1996 Voted for the single largest increase on Federal education
spending ($3.5 Billion)
06/01/1996 He helped a Democrat switch parties in an attempt to defeat
Constitutional Ron Paul in the 1996 election.
09/16/1996 He voted for the anti-gun Brady Campaigns Lautenberg Gun Ban,
which took away gun rights for people involved in certain misdemeanors.
U.S. Federal Judge John Roll Murdered: The Sheriffs Judge Who Upheld The Constitution And Reversed Congress!
09/25/1996 Introduced H.R. 4170, demanded life-sentence or execution for
someone bringing 2 ounces of marijuana across the border.
09/28/1996 He voted for the Gun Free School Zones Act which resulted in
schools being easier targets for shooters, and disarming law-abiding
//1996 He earned a D rating from the Gun Owners of America.
01/22/1997 Congress gave him a record-setting $300,000 fine for ethical
11/05/1998 He resigned from his House seat three days after being elected
to his 11th term.
10/13/2005 He called for universal but confidential DNA testing of
11/29/2006 He said that free speech should be curtailed in order to fight
terrorism. Wants to stop terrorists from using the internet. Called for a
serious debate about the 1st Amendment.
11/29/2006 He called for a Geneva Convention for terrorists so it would
be clear who the Constitution need not apply to.
02/15/2007 He supported Bushs proposal for mandatory carbon caps.
04/04/2007 He says that there should be a clear distinction about what
weapons should be reserved for only for the military.
04/11/2007 He had a public debate with John Kerry on global warming, in
which Newt agreed with Kerry and his views on the environment, praised his
book, and almost hugged him.
04/20/2007 He praised NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg: said that he takes his
hat off to the mayor for proving government can be effective.
LESSON SHOULD BE LEARNED FROM Bloombergs FAILURE OF NEW YORK: States Like New York, Are Taxing Themselves To Death: Taxes 27% Higher Forced People To Leave.
05/20/2007 He would bypass the court system by establishing a military
tribunal system to lock people up the way Abraham Lincoln wouldve done
05/20/2007 He would establish a nationwide ID card with biometrics so you
can actually track everybody in the country.
04/17/2008 Made a commercial with Nancy Pelosi on Climate Change.
04/28/2008 He said that allow some terror to happen, to keep the people
04/28/2008 He wants yet another new Federal agency to be very aggressive
against terrorists and have extraordinary abilities that are not
restricted by the constitution.
09/28/2008 Says if he were in office, he would have reluctantly voted for
the $700B TARP bailout.
Obamas $12.8 Trillion Bankers Gambling Debt Bailout: Black Unemployment ~ 16.7% Highest In 27 Years, But Lower Than Overall Unemployment ~ Overall Real Unemployment is 23% Of Which 79.96% Are White!
10/01/2008 Says in an article that TARP was a workout, not a bailout.
09/28/2008 He says that McCains vote for TARP bailouts rivaled President
Eisenhowers pledge to send troops to Korea.
John McCain, Newt Gingrich, & The List Of Those In The Hidden Government.
12/08/2008 He was paid $300,000 by Freddie Mac to halt Congress from
bringing necessary reform.
03/31/2009 Says we should have Singapore-style drug tests for Americans.
10/16/2009 He angered conservatives by endorsing super liberal Dede
07/30/2010 Says that Iraq was just step one in defeating the Axis of
08/03/2010 Advocates attacks on Iran & North Korea.
08/16/2010 Opposes property rights of the mosque owner in NYC.
08/16/2010 Compares mosque supporters to Nazis
11/15/2010 He defended Romneycare; blamed liberals
12/02/2010 He advocates a pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens.
12/05/2010 He said that a website owner should be considered an enemy
combatant, hunted down and executed, for publishing leaked government memos.
01/30/2011 He lobbied for ethanol subsidies.
01/30/2011 He suggested that flex-fuel vehicles be mandated for Americans.
02/02/2011 He says we are losing the War on Terror; the conflict will be
as long as the Cold War
02/10/2011 He wants to replace the EPA instead of abolishing it.
Obamas Gestapo: The EPA
02/13/2011 He criticized Obama for sending less U.S. tax dollars to Egypt.
02/15/2011 His book said that he believes man-made climate-change and
advocated creating a new endowment for conservation and the environment.
Arctic Ice Expanding At Fastest Rate On Record: Ice Levels Identical To 1980 Levels!
03/09/2011 He blames his infidelity to multiple wives on his passion for
03/15/2011 Says that NAFTA worked because it created jobs in Mexico.
03/19/2011 He has no regrets about supporting Medicare drug coverage. (Now
$7.2T unfunded liability)
03/23/2011 He completely flip-flopped on Libyan intervention in 16 days.
03/25/2011 He plans to sign as many as 200 executive orders on his first
day as president.
03/27/2011 He says that America is under attack by atheist Islamists.
04/25/2011 Hes a paid lobbyist for Federal ethanol subsidies.
05/11/2011 His campaign video said that he wants to find solutions
together, and insist on imposing those solutions on those who do not want to
05/12/2011 He was more supportive of individual health-care mandates than
05/15/2011 Said GOPs plan to cut back Medicare was too big a jump.
05/15/2011 He backed Obamas individual mandate; All of us have a
responsibility to help pay for health care.
05/16/2011 He also endorsed individual mandates in 1993 when Clinton pushed
Universal Health Care.
05/17/2011 He has an outstanding debt to Tiffanys Jewelry of between $250K
06/09/2011 His own campaign staff resigned en masse.
07/15/2011 His poorly managed campaign is over $1 Million in debt.
08/01/2011 He hired a company to create fake Twitter to appear as if he had
08/11/2011 His recent criticism of the United Nations is United Nations by
a long, long history of supporting it.
Petition: United Nations Is A Pariah State ~ Declaration Of Independence From The Corrupted United Nations
09/27/2011 He says that he helped develop the model for Homeland Security
10/07/2011 He said hed ignore the Supreme Court if need be.
11/12/2011 He advocates assassinating Iranian scientists and covert war
11/19/2011 He said Barney Frank should be arrested for his close ties
lobbying for Freddie Mac, just one month before it became public that
Gingrich was also lobbying for them at the same time.
11/20/2011 He has been outed as a paid lobbyist for drug companies, but he
still denies it.
11/22/2011 He supports the Patriot Act and would like to see it
11/22/2011 He says that matters of National Security should not be
encumbered by giving Due Process to the accused.
11/28/2011 He thinks its the job of the Federal Government to ban medical
11/28/2011 He is a Pharmaceutical lobbyist, and coincidentally thinks that
non-Pharma drugs like medical marijuana should be banned by the Federal
11/28/2011 He said he wants to be aggressive with Cuba topple their
government before 2014.
11/28/2011 He praised draconian drug penalties in Singapore for the second
- Card-Carrying member of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), a globalist
Will CFR Member Newt Gingrich Renounce: The NWOs Council On Foreign Relations?
- Distinguished member of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies
(neocon, pro-interventionism group)
- Member of Bohemian Grove
- Member of the World Future Society
- Voted for NAFTA, a blatant circumvention of Congress exclusive power to
regulate commerce with foreign nations. Took power from American people and
put it into the hands of unelected Binational panels, made mostly of
- Supported GATT
- Supported WTO
- Continually supported increased federal spending.
Obamas New York Citys Museum Of Hate Art: Easter Celebration ~ The Popes Toilet & Piss Christ, Tax Payers Money Working For Hate
- Supported the National Endowment for the Arts;
- Voted for the creation of the Federal Dept. of Education in 1979 under
- Big supporter of Foreign Aid even to Soviets through the Export-Import
- In one year (1994-1995) Gingrich voted for nearly $45 billion in foreign
- He helped push through Federally-funded loan guarantees to Communist China.
- He voted to raise the debt ceiling four times (one, two, three, and four).
- Urged the House to repeal the War Powers Act and give the Presidency more
- Urged Clinton to expand military presence in Bosnia.
- Supports Afghan War
- Supports Iraq War
- Calls for Iran War
- Supported Clintons welfare programs, education programs, labor programs,
and environmental programs, as well as most of his foreign affairs programs.
- Supported spending $30B for the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement
Act of 1994 that shackled gun owners with new restrictions, federalized a
number of crimes, and handed the feds police powers that the Constitution
reserves to the states.
- Voted to give billions of dollars to United Nations peacekeeping
- Pushed for a School Prayer Amendment
- Mentored by Henry Kissinger
Libyan End Game: Hopes Of The Rothschilds Federal Reserve: Backstabbing Of The Middle East Arabs > IN ORDER TO GET OUT OF THE KISSINGER T-BILL DEBT
- Bailed out savings and loan institutions in 1991. $40B Bank bailout
- He was a draft-dodger during the Vietnam War, yet pushed aggressive foreign
interventionism his entire political career, and did say that Vietnam was the
right battlefield at the right time.
- He cheated on one of his wives while she was suffering from cancer,
delivered divorce papers to her in the hospital.
- Worked on the Rockefeller presidential campaign in 1968.
Newt Gingrich: Selling Access To Congress! (politicalvelcraft.org)
Newt the SS Tea Party Nazi ! (2012patriot.wordpress.com)
What You Should Know About Newt Gingrich (fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com)
One of the points he made to everyone in the room (there were all the various factions of people from the GOP, from hard conservatives to RINO squishes), was to work like Hell for the candidate you support, and when it is all over, support whoever wins. To not do so is to joint the thin skinned evil of the democrats and let them continue to propagate the things we all hate.
To fight the nominee is more than stupid, Obummer's policies are pure evil, pure death for the US, it's just not possible to simply let him win because we are petulant losers who want to quit and take our ball home.