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George Zimmerman Is Destined for a Hung Jury
The Daily Beast ^ | April 21, 2012 | Mansfield Frazier

Posted on 04/21/2012 3:29:09 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: 2ndDivisionVet
George Zimmerman Is Destined for a Hung Jury

There is a XXX movie title in there somewhere.

101 posted on 04/22/2012 6:58:25 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Beach_Babe

The arraignment is set for May 29th but his lawyer can request an immunity hearing to challenge the evidence of probable cause to indict before that. He hasn’t done that yet which isn’t unusual. He’ll want to have all of his ducks in a row to do that.


102 posted on 04/22/2012 11:38:16 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Lancey Howard

Students watch the OJ verdict:............................. LOL, in parts of my town they were dancing in the streets as if WW II had come to an end. OJ won because DNA science was way over the head of the jurors. It was like trying to teach trigonometry to them with no math background.


103 posted on 04/22/2012 11:41:20 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft ( WHO WE ELECT AS PRESIDENT IS NOT AS IMPORTANT AS WHO THEY APPOINT.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I knew several Black people who back in the day said the trial of the policemen in the Rodney King event was unfair, because the jury was white and that meant King did not have a jury of his peers.

I know. But they really said that.

104 posted on 04/22/2012 1:06:45 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: digger48
Judge Ito? Yeah, everyone in the room had an act going on. Pure Hollywood all the way.
105 posted on 04/22/2012 1:10:28 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Tunehead54
If Mr. Z can establish he was reasonably in fear of grievous bodily injury or death the judge will dismiss all charges at the hearing.

I think the broken nose and wounds to the back of the head would constitute "reasonable" fear of grievous bodily injury. If that is really what the law requires, then this is much ado about nothing, legally speaking.

106 posted on 04/22/2012 1:59:29 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Cvengr
If Obama were smart, he’d simply act righteously

A "Sister Souljah" moment eh? You are right, it would be so unexpected and so welcome to the naive that it would reframe his whole persona as a race pimping swine. But I won't hold my breath, he lacks the imagination necessary to pursue such a course even as a sociopathic gesture.

107 posted on 04/22/2012 2:05:55 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Under Florida's "Stand Your Ground" statute, as I understand it, not only is he immune from criminal prosecution, he cannot be cited in a civil suit for his actions. Which, of course, begs the question of why he is charged with any crime, much less second degree murder.

Florida's statute, as interpreted by the Supreme Court, provides for a pretrial hearing to go over the evidence. If the judge decides, by the preponderance of the evidence, that the defendant acted in self-defense, the case is over. No trial. No voir dire. No stinkin' jury. Also, the statute provides that the defendant is immune from civil action.

108 posted on 04/22/2012 2:17:02 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: sergeantdave
Private property. 2. The rule of law - contracts.

I believe that the single most important export of the British Empire, and the reason it's reach was wide and largely peaceable despite UK being a small country, was British common law. It is a great institution and it saddens me to see it fall into disuse in the US., while Kenya follows to some large extent the common law tradition passed on by the UK. While much of what Scalia writes is astonishingly good, he despises the common law.

109 posted on 04/22/2012 2:22:32 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: JLAGRAYFOX
Angela Corey should be left alone, because the decision to charge George Zimmerman with second degree murder was foisted upon her from above. She did what she was told to do.

So did Adolf Eichmann.

110 posted on 04/22/2012 2:29:28 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Little Ray
There are many who think Z-man just walked up the Martin and shot him because he was WWB (walking while black). Racist prejudice is blind to the facts. Hopefully, our legal system is beyond the sewer of racism.
111 posted on 04/22/2012 2:53:59 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Countdown to 11-06-2012)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All

All it takes to hang the jury is one vote. But, is there anyone with the ba**s to do so; knowing that the New Black Panther Party will come after them and their family?


112 posted on 04/22/2012 3:21:43 PM PDT by no dems (TED CRUZ: A PROVEN CONSERVATIVE FOR U.S. SENATE FROM TEXAS.)
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To: cynwoody
Florida's statute, as interpreted by the Supreme Court, provides for a pretrial hearing to go over the evidence. If the judge decides, by the preponderance of the evidence, that the defendant acted in self-defense, the case is over. No trial. No voir dire. No stinkin' jury. Also, the statute provides that the defendant is immune from civil action.

Oh God, if that happened, it would be so wonderful. But, then, there would be riots in the streets.
HELL YEAH; BRING IT ON!!
113 posted on 04/22/2012 3:26:24 PM PDT by no dems (TED CRUZ: A PROVEN CONSERVATIVE FOR U.S. SENATE FROM TEXAS.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I want the Black Panthers to apologize for being thugs. I want them to understand civilized people do NOT put bounties on free citizens.
Contrary to what they think, we are a country of laws - at least until their kind ( Panthers) get their way. We are NOT some sh*t-hold third world thugocracy - yet.

I want the black community to apologize for having so many criminals among their ‘offspring’ that rational people assume a black kid out at night is up to no good.

I want the poverty pimps to apologize to Zimmerman’s family for putting this young man through so much grief - just for defending himself against a man who was attempting to murder him by bashing his head against the concrete.

And I want the MSM to apologize to equating ‘checking out a person who doesn’t live in a neighborhood’ with a thug who thinks appropriate ‘payment’ (for possibly being ‘followed’) is to attempt to kill the person by sitting on them and bashing their head against the street.

Waiting, waiting, waiting for excuses, PC revenge, etc....


114 posted on 04/22/2012 3:43:43 PM PDT by GOPJ (Hoodies - because you can't kill a security camera for snitchin' - - freeper tacticalogic)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The argument will be that the syg law will be invalidated because he continued to pursue Trayvon. If Zimmerman had not pursued him, there would not have been a confrontation, and everyone would be sipping Dr Pepper and eating skittles.


115 posted on 04/22/2012 3:48:39 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (I just don't like anything about the President. And I don't think he's a nice guy.)
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I want the Black Panthers to apologize for being thugs. Panthers need to understand civilized people do NOT put bounties on the heads of free citizen - they owe us an apology.

I want the black community to apologize for having so many criminals among their ‘offspring’ that rational people assume a black kid out at night is up to no good.

I want poverty pimps to apologize to Zimmerman’s family for putting this young man through so much grief - just for defending himself against a man who was attempting to murder him by bashing his head against the concrete.

And I want the MSM to apologize for equating ‘checking out a person who doesn’t live in a neighborhood’ with a thug who thinks appropriate ‘payment’ (for possibly being ‘checked out’) is attempted murder by sitting on that person and bashing their head against the concrete.

Waiting, waiting, waiting for excuses, PC revenge, etc....


116 posted on 04/22/2012 4:01:46 PM PDT by GOPJ (Hoodies - because you can't kill a security camera for snitchin' - - freeper tacticalogic)
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To: GOPJ
And I want the MSM to apologize for equating ‘checking out a person who doesn’t live in a neighborhood’ with a thug who thinks appropriate ‘payment’ (for possibly being ‘checked out’) is attempted murder by sitting on that person and bashing their head against the concrete.

That thought just made me realize something; black neighborhoods have thugs who attack people from outside the neighborhood - namely gangs.

Zimmerman had a well-documented history of "checking out people who didn't live in the neighborhood" with the cops, and never once did he attack any of those people.

Trayvon was a gang-banger wannabe who would have interpreted any observation of him as a gang-member getting ready to attack him, so he made a preemptive strike.

The entire incident is not any more complicated than that.

Had Trayvon not been a gang-banger wannbe and acted accordingly, he would be with us today.

117 posted on 04/22/2012 4:47:38 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (For every black person murdered by a white, thirty-nine white people are murdered by blacks.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Trayvon was a gang-banger wannabe who would have interpreted any observation of him as a gang-member getting ready to attack him, so he made a preemptive strike.

Or, like most gang-bangers Trayvon was thin skinned and ready to kill if he was 'dissed'...

You're also right about Zimmerman - he's been community watch for years - and never killed before - even studied criminal justice at college... Of course if Zimmerman hadn't been pinned to the ground having his head bashed against the concrete, he wouldn't have 'killed' this time either.

What's the statistic? One out of four black males is in prison, on parole, or in the criminal justice system... And we're suppose to act like they're 'just like anyone else'? Yeah. Right.

Liberals buy that crap BECAUSE blacks keep White Liberal Elites in office. If the black community said the moon was made of peppermint candy - the liberals would agree - and they'd call us racist for not agreeing. Of course, liberal elites know better, but they would agree. Ninety percent of the vote buys deception.

Blacks don't do give us 90% of their vote - and we don't have to buy their peppermint candy crap.

118 posted on 04/22/2012 5:22:20 PM PDT by GOPJ (Hoodies - because you can't kill a security camera for snitchin' - - freeper tacticalogic)
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To: hinckley buzzard

“that meant King did not have a jury of his peers.”

That is funny. For King to have a jury of peers, they would have to release persons from prison. That is where all his “peers” are. ;-)


119 posted on 04/22/2012 5:54:55 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: GOPJ
Or, like most gang-bangers Trayvon was thin skinned and ready to kill if he was 'dissed'...

An even better point.

120 posted on 04/22/2012 6:54:09 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Do I really need a sarcasm tag? You're really that dense? Really?)
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