Posted on 04/22/2012 3:45:29 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
Mitt Romney, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, won half of the contingent of national convention delegates chosen Saturday in Missouri's complicated selection process.
The former Massachusetts governor picked up 12 delegates, while seven went to former Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania even though he withdrew from the race last week.
Trailing were U.S. Rep. Ron Paul of Texas with four and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich of Georgia with one.
The 24 delegates were picked at conventions in each of the state's eight U.S. House districts; those voting were selected at local caucuses earlier. Most of the remainder of Missouri's 52-person delegation to the national convention in Tampa will be chosen at the GOP State Convention in June.
Santorum had won the nonbinding Missouri presidential primary in February when he was still a candidate.
(Excerpt) Read more at stltoday.com ...
AND though there are going to be some “winner take all” primaries, the following contests are also on the schedule:
RI (16) proportional
NY (92) proportional
WVA (28) proportional -- elect delegates (who list their presidential pick on ballot)
NC (52) proportional
OR (25) proportional
AK (33) proportional
KY (42) proportional
TX (155) proportional
CA (169) proportional (by district)
NM (20) proportional
SD (25) proportional
There there are the Contested delegates: …. “delegates have to be "uncontested" in order to count. The frontrunner's rivals argue some of the states that awarded Romney all of their delegates violated Republican National Committee rules when they moved their contests ahead of April 1 and therefore should distribute delegates proportionally. This dispute, if it continues, would not be ruled on until the August convention in Tampa.
"All the media counts right now give him all of Florida, which is against the rules, all of Arizona, which is against the rules, and all of Idaho," Gingrich said Monday. "Those are all three proportional states and they should only be counting his share. So he has to win 1,144 uncontested delegates."
FL: 50 delegates
ID: 32 delegates
AZ: 29 delegates
Yeah and....................
The big cheese gets half.
The conservatives get half.
It proves that Romney is right back where he started from with support from only about half of republicans.
The half that like RINO’s.The half that follows the leadership and doesn’t have a clue.It’s not going to be easy to put this etch a sketch in office and what have we got if he gets there?
Anything Newt can do to raise Cain is warranted and what you have pointed out here may be just the right justification for it.
Unfortunately, Newt said he wanted a unified party, well I don't and many conservatives do not want to "unify" with these appeasing prix! If Romney is the nominee it will be alright as long as the party is in shambles and shook up so bad it can't continue as it stands now!
Can Santorum toss his delegates to Newt?
if so.. then we need to get to him and convince him
I'll venture to say that Newt Gingrich means he wants conservatives to unify -- the GOP-e and their media are suggesting that Newt is divisive. That term more aptly applies to Mitt Romney.
Each state has their own rules about delegates at the convention (click on the state abbreviation to go to that state). The mess of rules makes me think of the old saying" "Figures don't lie but liars can figure."
There are "Hard" Delegates ............"The "hard count" is cumulative: that is, as each bloc of delegates from a given state or other jurisdiction is formally allocated to presidential contenders or "Uncommitted", that allocation is- in effect- "frozen" in time; the number of delegates allocated to each presidential contender or "Uncommitted" will, therefore, continue to add up as the pre-Convention process goes along. Even if a presidential contender already formally/officially allocated delegates should subsequently drop out of the nomination race and release his delegates (in which case, his delegates could conceivably support another contender or become "Uncommitted") or a formally "Uncommitted" delegate indicate his/her preference for a given presidential contender prior to the National Conventions, any delegates already allocated to a given contender (or formally "Uncommitted") will continue to be counted as allocated to that contender (or "Uncommitted") in the "hard count" of "The Green Papers"- for a change in the support for a presidential contender by (or the "uncommitted" status of) a delegate, once that delegate is formally allocated by the delegate selection procedures of a state party, does not become official until that delegate first casts a vote during the Roll Call of the States for the party's Presidential Nomination on the floor of that party's National Convention.".....
AND
"Soft pledged" and "Soft unpledged" Delegates ........" The "soft count", on the other hand, will reflect the support for each presidential contender by either Pledged or Unpledged delegates- whether formally allocated yet or not- as best can be estimated by "The Green Papers"; it could, conceivably change even day to day as presidential contenders might be forced out of the nomination race- perhaps releasing any delegates which might have already been formally allocated to them- or delegates once in the ranks of the "Uncommitted" might begin to indicate support of a given presidential contender even before the National Conventions convene this Summer! Delegates listed as "available" in the soft count, are "not yet estimated".
The differences between the two counts- "hard" and "soft"- will probably first become apparent in the differences between the first tier events in caucus/convention states and those states holding binding primaries (that is, primaries where the results of the voting itself directly affect delegate allocation). To take one early (and obvious) example, the Iowa precinct caucuses on Monday 24 January 2000 did not choose one single National Convention delegate in either major party (the first Democratic National Convention delegates were not formally allocated until early May; National Convention delegates from Iowa's GOP were not be formally allocated until a month thereafter!) but it might be possible to estimate the likely breakdown of the Iowa delegation to the major parties' National Conventions from an analysis of the voting in these Iowa caucuses. Any such estimate of the support of the delegates from Iowa to either National Convention would appear in the "soft count"- but NO Iowa delegates appeared in the "hard count" immediately after 24 January (the first delegates to appear in the "hard count" were those in each major party from New Hampshire, where the primary on Tuesday 1 February 2000 formally allocated National Convention delegates as a result of the voting in that primary)." Source
AND
Then there are "Super Delegates" that go to the election - usually state GOP party people, who can (in my opinion) sway the other delegates (and weight the vote) during a convention fight (push someone or block someone for whatever reason).
Question.
If a withdrawn candidate is voted delegates, are those bound on a first ballot to vote for a candidate that has already withdrawn?
This came up on another thread of yours, which I pinged you to.
Not that exact question in that form, but why or why not should Santorum people still vote for a withdrawn candidate, or rather, vote for a candidate still in the race?
Mr. K, delegate rules aside, any second he wants to, Santorum could endorse Newt.
Now why do you suppose he won’t?
Well, let's just say Newt can lead and make this happened in the republican party. He just has to be BRAVE enough to do it, even if it means being absolutely DIVISIVE and losing.
Newt knows what the Idea Of American means more than anybody. The former Speaker has the leadership skills to move this insurrection forward. The ONLY way things will change and power is wrested from the GOPe is either a conservative wins outright and cleans house, OR enough conservatives cause strife, contention, and disputation bringing down the republican party causing it to have to rebuild again.
As it stands now RIP IT APART AND TEAR THAT MOTHER DOWN!!
This is the problem, though - because the MSM and the GOP-E are basically running a nonstop campaign of “Romney’s already won it, so it’s already over,” people who don’t pay attention or think for themselves are just assuming this to be true and will vote accordingly. We’re already seeing this from some folks even here on FR.
Santorum was never in to win it. He was merely in for long enough to split the conservative vote until it appeared that Romney had a lock, then he could use family as an excuse to withdraw.
Saturday 21 April 2012 District Conventions Contest Gingrich Paul Romney Santorum Pop
VoteDel Pop
Vote% Del Pop
Vote% Del Pop
Vote% Del Pop
Vote% Del CD1 3 1 1 1 CD2 3 1 2 CD3 3 2 1 CD4 3 3 CD5 3 3 CD6 3 1 1 1 CD7 3 1 2 CD8 3 3 Delegates 24 1 4 12 7
- Congressional District 1
- Heather Coil (Paul)
- Connie Eller (Santorum)
- Tom Schweich (Romney)
- Congressional District 2
- Allen Icet (Santorum)
- Phyllis Schlafly (Santorum)
- Jim Talent (Romney)
- Congressional District 3
- Cody Baker (Romney)
- Scott Dieckhaus (Romney)
- Mitch Hubbard (Santorum)
- Congressional District 4
- Carla Young (Romney)
- Bill Kartsonis (Romney)
- Mary Ellen Snider (Romney)
- Congressional District 5
- Mark Anthony Jones (Paul)
- Ralph Munyan (Paul)
- Paul Trask (Paul)
- Congressional District 6
- Jim Willis (Romney)
- Jim Rooney (Gingrich)
- Matt Johnson (Santorum)
- Congressional District 7
- Gordon Kinne (Romney)
- John Putnam (Santorum)
- Patsy Wilcox (Santorum)
- Congressional District 8
- Scott R Clark (Romney)
- Jason Smith (Romney)
- David Courtway (Romney)
Santorum was never in to win it. He was merely in for long enough to split the conservative vote until it appeared that Romney had a lock, then he could use family as an excuse to withdraw.
Prove it, Yash?
I didn’t think so...just another attack on Rick. Don’t you have anything better to talk about?
My district was the only one with a Gingrich delegate! Very interesting.
My district was the only one with a Gingrich delegate! Very interesting.
Sorry for the stuttering. LOL!
Yep, CDs 1 & 6 divided equally among three candidates....
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