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Bret explains "natural born citizen" requirements for president and vice president
Fox News ^ | 5/1/2012 | Bret Baier

Posted on 05/01/2012 9:32:22 AM PDT by GregNH

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To: Smokin' Joe
Maybe they put him together out of leftover parts...

Yeah, that would account for the ears.

41 posted on 05/01/2012 10:17:10 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
If you are a citizen, and there was no law that “naturalized” you, are you a natural born citizen?
Well why don't you tell me what you believe the answer is first, and why you believe that, and then we'll go from there.
42 posted on 05/01/2012 10:17:35 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Tublecane; Fred Nerks; David; BP2; little jeremiah; LucyT

When this was orginally discussed SADO, because of her age, did NOT meet the criteria to pass on citizenship. Am thinking that the phrasiology may have been manipulated here. IT needs to be checked out and if it’s been manipulated it should be call out, sent to Brent Bozall etc.


43 posted on 05/01/2012 10:17:42 AM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: philman_36
You have to be an Alien first for anything therein to apply.

You're right that the entire thing is titled "Aliens and Nationality." But the section at hand talks about who's a citizen at birth. Regardless of whether you think being a citizen at birth makes you a natural born citizen or not, clearly someone who's a citizen at birth was never an alien. So no, you don't have to be an alien first for the section to apply.

44 posted on 05/01/2012 10:19:53 AM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: GregNH

There is that.


45 posted on 05/01/2012 10:19:58 AM PDT by bluetick
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To: GregNH

There is that.


46 posted on 05/01/2012 10:20:09 AM PDT by bluetick
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To: GregNH

There is that.


47 posted on 05/01/2012 10:20:14 AM PDT by bluetick
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To: precisionshootist
Fox news and the Rino’s won't touch the birther problem because, they have their own Rino’s who are ineligible candidates ie..... Rubio.
48 posted on 05/01/2012 10:20:47 AM PDT by ivory49
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To: Perdogg
Even looking at how the link that you gave is made should give you a clue!

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/chapter-12
TITLE - Chapter - Section

And you're going to argue with me about it. AMAZING!

49 posted on 05/01/2012 10:22:24 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: bluetick

When the 3G network hangs, pushing “post” a couple of extra times doesn’t help the situation. Sorry y’all.
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50 posted on 05/01/2012 10:22:31 AM PDT by bluetick
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To: philman_36

Because you didn’t ask me first!

This is how your ridiculous argument is defended.

By refusing to rely upon facts, and just manipulating the words of others, you refuse to allow your argument to stand under the scrutiny of logic and law.


51 posted on 05/01/2012 10:22:35 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: philman_36

“Did I say they couldn’t be citizens?”

What you said was that “You have to be an Alien first for anything therein [in the law, that is] to apply.” The part of the law the article paraphrased, and which you didn’t appear to argue was paraphrased incorrectly, clarified certain basic qualification for citizenship from birth. Obviously, if you qualify according to the conditions laid out you are a citizen. And if that part of the law, at least, applies to citizens then your assertion that “You have to be an Alien first for anything therein to apply” was false.

That’s all I was saying.

“That child is still a naturalized citizen and not a natural born citizen.
Are you too stupid to understand that?”

Maybe so, as I’ve tried real hard and still can’t understand how someone can be native born without being natural born. I’ve heard the phrase “naturalized from birth,” but that doesn’t make any sense to me.


52 posted on 05/01/2012 10:23:25 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: GregNH

WTF?


53 posted on 05/01/2012 10:25:28 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
But the section at hand talks about who's a citizen at birth.

Positive law doesn't make someone qualify for a natural law status.

54 posted on 05/01/2012 10:26:40 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: GregNH

Is someone going to explain the Minor decision and how 18 Supreme Court justices agreed on the definition of natural-born citizen: all children born in the country to parents who were its citizens.


55 posted on 05/01/2012 10:27:16 AM PDT by edge919
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To: hoosiermama

The wording is 5 years past the 14th birthday...

Stan Ann was 18 when Barry was born

therein lies that original problem youre trying to remember...

She had to be 19 to infer American citizenship on her baby...

Otherwise he takes his fathers nationality...

Which was British at the time of his birth....


56 posted on 05/01/2012 10:28:18 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
Because you didn’t ask me first!
So what! Make your case instead of posing some stupid "gotcha" question.
57 posted on 05/01/2012 10:28:45 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Paine in the Neck
"The “natural born citizen” is one who at birth has no natural allegiance to any other country..."

Thank you; stating it in the negative (with slightly different emphasis) produces one of the clearest definitions of NBC that I have seen -- and it conveys the founders' reasoning for the NBC requirement.

No one who has one foreign citizen as a parent can meet the above criteria.

Øbozo is ineligible to be POTUS.


58 posted on 05/01/2012 10:30:51 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: GregNH

Here we go again.

There are only two factors that are considered in determining citizenship at birth.

1. On which country’s soil your born.

2. What was the citizenship of your parents.

If the citizenship of your parents is not the same as the country you were born in, you have a conflict.

You could be a dual citizen and some countries do not recognize dual citizenship.

But if your parents were citizens of the same country you were born in, there is no conflict.

You are naturally a citizen of just that one country.

Now, where do you people think ‘Natural Born Citizenship’ came from?

What could be more simple than this?


59 posted on 05/01/2012 10:31:38 AM PDT by chopperman
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To: Tennessee Nana

That’s it....Do you have the dirct quote. It should be sent to Bret B before he makes a complete fool of himself.


60 posted on 05/01/2012 10:32:28 AM PDT by hoosiermama
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