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If Obama wins, what would he do in a second term?
Washington Post ^ | May 4, 2012 | Ezra Klein

Posted on 05/04/2012 8:09:31 PM PDT by Innovative

"In a second term," Mitt Romney darkly warned in a speech to the National Rifle Association last month, President Obama "would be unrestrained by the demands of reelection."

...His only specific prediction was that Obama would "remake" the Supreme Court.

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At the end of 2012, we'll face what Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke calls "the fiscal cliff": The Bush tax cuts are set to expire, the $1.2 trillion in automatic spending cuts initiated when the deficit "supercommittee" failed to reach a deal are set to begin, we're expected to hit the debt ceiling again, and many other programs and tax credits will come up for renewal.

Around the Hill, they refer to this as "taxmageddon."

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Beyond the deficit, Obama's advisers see two big unfinished pieces of business from the first term: climate change and immigration reform.

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(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: elections; immigration; obama; supremecourt; taxes
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To: Artcore

But I’m sure you express great horror at evils that Romney might inflict on the country...right?

Tell you what, you have your little tantrum and stay home on election night. Let the grownups take care of business.


Who said anything about staying home? ... and YES we are concerned about the policies Romney will bring to this nation. He did, afterall, bring socialized healthcare to this country, remember?

See what you pro-Romney folks aren’t telling us (or perhaps can’t tell us) is how Romney is any different from Obama.

...aside from “he doesn’t hate this country like Obama” that is...


101 posted on 05/06/2012 5:24:16 AM PDT by libdestroyer
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To: Mark

>It’s ONLY 4 1/2 more year. I mean we can’t have Romney destroy the ONE’S plans, can we?

Who says he will?


102 posted on 05/06/2012 5:26:15 AM PDT by libdestroyer
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To: libdestroyer
Who said anything about staying home? ... and YES we are concerned about the policies Romney will bring to this nation. He did, afterall, bring socialized healthcare to this country, remember?

So let me guess; are you going to write Sarah's name in? Hmmm, maybe you'll vote third party? Either of these two options will help Obama!

See what you pro-Romney folks aren’t telling us (or perhaps can’t tell us) is how Romney is any different from Obama...aside from “he doesn’t hate this country like Obama” that is...

First off, if you and some of the other folks around here would take time to go back and view we "pro-Romney" folks thread postings, you'd see that our progression of choices went something like this: Palin, Cain (or Perry or Bachmann), Newt (or Santorum). Only now, when it appears that Romney has won the primary, have we "pro-Romney" folks decided to act like grown-ups and deal with reality, instead of acting like brats who didn't get their way. As much as I wish Newt had won the primary, HE DIDN'T! Got it?

While many of us wish our reasons for voting for Romney were different, the reality is, Obama is an American-hating Marxist, who has as his goal, to destroy it as founded! Are you going to sit here and really tell us that Romney hates this country, and has as his goal the desire to destroy it as founded? If you believe this, than you are smoking crack! Sorry, but at this moment, Barak Obama is the enemy of this country. where in the Heck have you been the past three years? Tell us, what do you think the country will look like if Obama gets four more years. If he wins a second term, 2016 will not matter! If Obama ends up winning, folks like you will hold some responsibility.

The reality is, Obama and Romney are the two choices. With Obama, we know our doom is sure; with Romney we at least have a fighting chance. Many of us will not sit back and allow this Marxist to simply walk into a second term and complete his destruction.

103 posted on 05/06/2012 8:45:31 AM PDT by Artcore
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To: Artcore
The reality is, Obama and Romney are the two choices.

You know, you are making WAY TOO MUCH sense here. Put on your asbestos suit and prepare to be flamed ceaselessly from now until way after the election. Such clarity of vision and common sense must not go unpunished! /s

Gingrich was my choice as well. I thought he was best equipped for the job, intellectually as well as experience. But for various reasons, it didn't happen. So what can we salvage from the election this year? I have to say I am not big on the third-party-to-send-a-message meme. The only message that sends is defeat. The Constitution Party gets, what, a half to one percent of the vote, Libertarians maybe a point and a half? Sure, that'll send a message alright. And that message is: you're irrelevant.

My view is that defeating Obama is a positive outcome. Obama is the poster child of radical liberalism and Fabian socialism. If we beat him we give the b-slap to not only Obama but all the scumbags who hitch their wagon to his star, Pelosi, Reid, Ayers, Van Jones, Elena Kagan, Eric Holder, Bawney Fwank, Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann, Hollywood suck-ups and all the other media pressitutes and sycophants who carry Obama's water. Obama wins and they win and are empowered and validated. We defeat Obama we gain yardage, because we're that much further removed from financial collapse under the debt burden he is sure to impose in an unfettered second term. It won't matter if we control one or both houses of Congress. Obama has made it clear he doesn't care about the Congress, or the Supreme Court, or anything, for that matter. All he cares about is himself. And that means he will find ways to do what he wants to do. That is the real danger we face in this election. We need to defeat the enemy who we know is at the gates now, and worry about the one who we imagine is over the horizon in another battle. Because if we don't, we won't have the chance to fight the next battle.

104 posted on 05/06/2012 9:07:56 AM PDT by chimera
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To: chimera

Excellent analysis!


105 posted on 05/06/2012 1:05:39 PM PDT by Artcore
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To: Artcore

1. I don’t think Sarah Palin is a serious candidate so NO I would not write-in Sarah Palin.

2. I know that voting 3rd party would help Obama. I DON’T CARE. The GOP putting up a liberal republican is what helps Obama. We don’t get change in this country by bending over and grabbing the ankles every election. That makes us (conservatives) just as bad as the black population. We’re taken for granted every single election year. Well I’m done with that!

3. And as far as what I said about you pro-Romney folks, all you did with your comment is reinforce my statement that the only defense is “well he doesn’t hate the country like Obama.”

- First of all, Obama probably thinks what he’s doing is right. As much as we hate his policies I am sure he’s not wasting away in the White House because he hates his country.

- Second of all, Mitt Romney’s record has been nothing but destructive. One COULD say that he too hates the country under the same logic you use for Obama!

Call me a “brat” if you like. I’m sure our founding fathers were called all sorts of names by the British loyalists. They had a greater vision, and didn’t bow to status-quo folks like yourself.


106 posted on 05/07/2012 6:41:54 AM PDT by libdestroyer
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To: Innovative

>Elections are always about the “lesser of two evils”.

Not to me they aren’t. To me, elections are a way to send a message to the leaders of this country. MY MESSAGE is that I won’t compromise my Christian, conservative values for ANYONE.


107 posted on 05/07/2012 6:45:21 AM PDT by libdestroyer
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To: chimera

I’d rather be irrelevant while standing on my principals. Narrow is the gate...


108 posted on 05/07/2012 6:47:29 AM PDT by libdestroyer
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To: Innovative

Better question is...What WILL he do.

The Mittster hasn’t the integrity, the horsepower or the smarts to get the job done between now and November. And basically the GOP-e are pretty content with what they’ve all got going down in the Marxist DisneyLand on the Potomac in DC.

Only We the People want to upset the applecart....


109 posted on 05/07/2012 6:51:19 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: libdestroyer

OK, let me just say this: despite the fact that we disagree on this issue (a big one I know!) I’m quite certain we both love the country and are sickened by whats happened under this regime.

I guess we’ll both have to do what we think is necessary to save it. Underneath this fact, our motives are love of the country.

Peace.


110 posted on 05/07/2012 7:01:52 AM PDT by Artcore
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To: napscoordinator
So you will not compromise your conservative principles and will not vote for Romney. Good for you.

Instead, you have made an "adult decision" to compromise your conservative principles and help re-elect a socialist who is determined to do as much damage to our Republic as he can.

I understand your thinking but this adult does not agree.

111 posted on 05/07/2012 7:08:05 AM PDT by glennaro
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To: Artcore

> I guess we’ll both have to do what we think is necessary to save it. Underneath this fact, our motives are love of the country.

Amen!


112 posted on 05/07/2012 7:25:09 AM PDT by libdestroyer
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To: libdestroyer
I am not saying compromise your principles. Keep fighting for them whether the President is Obama or Romney. You can continue to do this. I am just trying to salvage something from this election and that is defeating Obama and slapping down those who suck up to him in the process. That has value, IMO, more so than another humiliating defeat and having to rebuild the Republic after Obama is through with it (if we even have that chance). If we can beat him, I will be very pleased not to have to see his ugly face on the TV every day, nose in the air, shuckin' and jivin' and droppin' them g's in that hectoring tone of voice. It is one vote in one election. That does not define who you are as a person. If it does, you've got other problems.

Note to those with their fingers on the ZOT/Account Delete button: I am not "campaigning" for Romney. I have made it clear that of those offered as candidates this election, Gingrich was my choice. But that didn't happen, and I am adult enough to accept that and try to make something useful of the remaining options, because it is either that or quit and go home. And it really is time, people, to take a grown-up view of reality here, and that is that at this point it appears very likely that the person sitting in the Oval Office with their hands on the levers of power after this election will either be Barack Hussein Obama or Willard Mitt Romney. That is the reality we face, and no amount of whining, complaining, disparaging, zotting, account deleting, and name-calling will change that. The question now is, what will you do with that reality? Sure, you can take your ball and go home and "send a message", which will be nothing more than another devastating defeat, or you can try to make the best of a bad situation and at least defeat the enemy you know is already in the process of ruining you.

Flame me if you want, but that is the situation as I see it. Am I happy about it? Hell, no. I am very aware of the problems Romney has. I am very aware of his record on things like health care and abortion. I don't support those positions. He says he's changed his views on those things. Maybe he has, I don't know, and I'm not sure I trust him. But I just can't stand the thought of another four years of Obama. The country is going bankrupt as it is and that will only be accelerated in a second Obama term, which I believe is his goal. He doesn't care about that. None of the 'Rats do. Defeating Obama is the only chance (note, chance, not assurance) we have to prevent that.

If someone can offer a better alternative, I am all ears. But I don't think a better alternative is having Obama for another four years. I don't see how "sending a message" by voting for a minor party candidate who will end up with a half of a percent of the vote sends any kind of message other than we won't listen to you. I don't see how writing in the name of someone who is not a declared candidate and who won't get more than a few thousands write-ins nationally will send any kind of message other than you're wasting your time. If you think we can get a candidate like Gingrich the nomination this late in the game, after he has said he's out, well, okay, tell me how to make that happen. I'm serious. If you don't accept the reality as it seems to be, give us a practical plan for an alternative that has a realistic chance of succeeding. Because lacking that, its going to come down to either Obama or Romney.

113 posted on 05/07/2012 7:44:59 AM PDT by chimera
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To: chimera

To bad you don’t work for the New York Times that would have made a great article.


114 posted on 05/07/2012 7:56:24 AM PDT by Rappini (Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: Rappini
Is that all you have to say? How about making a practical suggestion, as I requested at the end of the post, something can can talk about and maybe act on? That would be much more constructive and grown-up rather than a childish insult. I'm serious. Are you going to cry and take your ball and go home, or are you going to be a man and get to work to try to make something positive of a less than optimum situation?
115 posted on 05/07/2012 8:20:47 AM PDT by chimera
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To: chimera

Aren’t we testy.


116 posted on 05/08/2012 1:02:47 PM PDT by Rappini (Pro Deo et Patria)
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