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Mexican officials report 49 bodies dumped on highway to US border
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| May 13, 2012
Posted on 05/13/2012 12:10:24 PM PDT by Pinkbell
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To: jocon307
I think a serious tourist boycott might be a solution to these problems.I think an underground group of 1,000 vigilantes trained in Special Forces would help, along with movies detailing their successes.
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posted on
05/13/2012 1:21:06 PM PDT
by
Fester Chugabrew
(let establishment heads explode)
To: Pinkbell
And the Administration doesn’t care whether the DOJ and ATF supplied the weaponry.
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posted on
05/13/2012 1:22:21 PM PDT
by
cookcounty
("We're all born idiots, and we only get over that condition as we get less young." -J Goldberg)
To: Pinkbell
How can that be? You mean to tell me that Fast and Furious ISN’T working? /heavy sarcasm
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posted on
05/13/2012 1:54:10 PM PDT
by
PGalt
To: Pinkbell
“You couldn't get me to go to Mexico. I always wonder about people on various game or tv shows who win trips to Mexico.”
Liberals are intent on facilitating Mexico coming to you..
To: Pinkbell
Now let’s not lose our HEADS over this....
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posted on
05/13/2012 2:04:30 PM PDT
by
HiTech RedNeck
(Mitt! You're going to have to try harder than that to be "severely conservative" my friend.)
To: Eagles6
No they wont. They just move on to other crimes Right you are. When Prohibition ended, the mafia did not disappear. It just moved on to other crimes.
That's why it's too simplistic to think that everything would be so much better if drugs were legalized.
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posted on
05/13/2012 2:05:39 PM PDT
by
Leaning Right
(Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
To: Hugin
Who knows if some other evil would come on the scene if drug dealing were not an issue. Maybe today’s would be evildoers would mostly be too stoned to do any harm.
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posted on
05/13/2012 2:06:13 PM PDT
by
HiTech RedNeck
(Mitt! You're going to have to try harder than that to be "severely conservative" my friend.)
To: Leaning Right
Quite true that presented with nowhere to go, crime syndicates do not quietly bow out. It would have been better to have left the control of all medications in the purview of doctors, and the likes of the Zetas would never have been seen. However with much effort the Mafia has been pushed down to near nothingness today. It is fortunate that they never got heavily into the drug trade, or it would be a different story.
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posted on
05/13/2012 2:09:30 PM PDT
by
HiTech RedNeck
(Mitt! You're going to have to try harder than that to be "severely conservative" my friend.)
To: Pinkbell
49 more that won’t come here....
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posted on
05/13/2012 2:15:45 PM PDT
by
Feckless
(I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
To: Eleutheria5
If just pot were legalized, the resulting tax revenues might create a surplus, and the economy would be stimulated with a new, highly popular industry. Then there would be the savings in law enforcement, both in terms of cash costs and human capital. But noooooo. It has to stay illegal because it has to stay illegal because it has to stay illegal.
How exactly does the US gov't regulate the cartels if pot becomes legal? You believe the violence and all that just magically disappears? Please explain exactly how legalizing pot just POOF cures all drug problems. I mean explain how law-policy-import-export-regulation-distribution would be handled in such a way that the whole world drug trade would magically cease to exist and all the corruption and death would cease to exist with it. Exactly how would that happen?
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posted on
05/13/2012 2:16:51 PM PDT
by
brent13a
(Glenn Beck is an a$$hat.)
To: brent13a
I can see a day where pot is legal in this country, but I don’t envision the legalization of harder drugs like meth, cocaine and heroin. The cartels will simply shift their focus to the remaining illegal drugs.
To: brent13a
The cartels would be eliminated as a supplier. Instead, it could be grown and cured domestically, and distributed to bars and smoke shops, the same as liquor (also formerly illegal) and tobacco. Taxes would be collected, and the domestically grown and distributed product could be regulated to keep it out of the hands of minors.
The international drug problem would not “magically disappear,” but pot would no longer be a part of it. And that would also make it easier to deal with the harder substances, such as meth, crack, coke, heroine and ecstacy, because the DEA, FBI and related agencies would no longer have to run around after pot traffickers. The illicit growers, smugglers and tax evading distributors could be handled by the ATF, which also handles the same enforcement problems for alcohol, tobacco and firearms.
The new industry would be an economic stimulant, and generate tax revenues. Law enforcement costs would be reduced. Perhaps even demand for the harder substances would be reduced, because pot would be available and legal, just as rot gut liquor became less in demand after Prohibition ended and consumers could finally buy beer.
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posted on
05/13/2012 2:26:49 PM PDT
by
Eleutheria5
(End the occupation. Annex today.)
To: Leaning Right
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posted on
05/13/2012 2:37:11 PM PDT
by
Eagles6
(S)
To: Eleutheria5
The cartels would be eliminated as a supplier. Instead, it could be grown and cured domestically, and distributed to bars and smoke shops, the same as liquor (also formerly illegal) and tobacco.
and then the cartels, which have billions upon billions and their own armies go to war directly with the US Gov't. You don't think that the cartels will be willing to double their overhead to make the same yearly money, undercutting the "legal" trade? The cartels' import channels are already set and far cheaper to operate than anything the US Gov't could provide.
The ATF and the US Gov't can't handle things now, let alone when they have to add a whole other industry to their regulations.
All it would do is bring directed violence, even war-level, directly across the border and you would have 49 decapitated bodies swinging from bridges in Joplin, MO and body dumps in Evansville, IN.
A directed decriminalization of personal use amounts would clear out a lot of prisons and court-systems. But legalizing it piecemeal solves absolutely nothing.
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posted on
05/13/2012 2:39:02 PM PDT
by
brent13a
(Glenn Beck is an a$$hat.)
To: Cementjungle
The cartels will simply shift their focus to the remaining illegal drugs.
So what does piecemeal legalization of one drug solve exactly if it doesn't get rid of the violence, corruption, and death?
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posted on
05/13/2012 2:51:45 PM PDT
by
brent13a
(Glenn Beck is an a$$hat.)
To: brent13a
“and then the cartels, which have billions upon billions and their own armies go to war directly with the US Gov’t. You don’t think that the cartels will be willing to double their overhead to make the same yearly money, undercutting the “legal” trade? The cartels’ import channels are already set and far cheaper to operate than anything the US Gov’t could provide.”
They wouldn’t go to war over pot, not while they still have their illegal trade in meth, coke, heroine, etc. If they would, then the very least thing we have to worry about is whether pot is legal, and the US government should go to war immediately with the cartels just because they are a threat.
The cartels’ import channels are cheaper than the US-provided import channels, but who’s talking about importing? It can be grown domestically. Indoor growing can produce a higher-quality product than outdoor growing, but vast tracts of farmland are available for the latter, tracts that are currently devoted to government-subsidized tobacco crops. This is a cash crop that pays for itself without the need for a federal subsidy. At present, the inflating expense in growing pot domestically is in evading law enforcement. Once that is eliminated, there is only the ordinary cost of cultivation. Private industry is more efficient than anything the federal government can provide, and the cartels are living proof of that. Take away pot, and the cartels still exist, but they no longer have pot. If legalization works there, perhaps hashish and law-concentration opiates can be added.
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posted on
05/13/2012 2:54:41 PM PDT
by
Eleutheria5
(End the occupation. Annex today.)
To: brent13a
So what does piecemeal legalization of one drug solve exactly if it doesn't get rid of the violence, corruption, and death? Nothing really.
To: Eleutheria5
the same as liquor (also formerly illegal)
I'm sorry but the international drug cartels of today are NOTHING like the mobsters of your great-grandparents' era.
The international drug cartels are just a bit larger, richer, more connected, and ruthless than the moonshine runners of yesteryear.
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posted on
05/13/2012 2:57:59 PM PDT
by
brent13a
(Glenn Beck is an a$$hat.)
To: brent13a
So why cure cancer, if you can’t eliminate death? It solves one thing: Pot trafficking, and that portion of the violence, corruption and death caused by it. It also eliminates a portion of the demand for the hard drugs, just as legalizing liquor eliminated a portion of the demand for wood alcohol and moonshine. Moonshine still is made and sold, but it’s a marginal industry now. There are no magic solutions. There are policies that mitigate problems, and policies that exacerbate them.
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posted on
05/13/2012 2:59:06 PM PDT
by
Eleutheria5
(End the occupation. Annex today.)
To: Eleutheria5
It can be grown domestically.
and each 'field' burnt down by the cartels destroying domestic trade. Bringing all that violence and death here to the interior.
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posted on
05/13/2012 3:00:27 PM PDT
by
brent13a
(Glenn Beck is an a$$hat.)
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