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Fox News Analyst: First American To Shoot Down A Domestic Spy Drone 'Will Become A Folk Hero'
Business Insider ^ | 5/15/2012 | Michael Brendan Dougherty

Posted on 05/15/2012 1:38:34 PM PDT by JohnKinAK

Charles Krauthammer, the conservative columnist spoke about the use of drones for domestic spying last night.

He blasted the idea:

"A drone is a high-tech version of an old army. It ought to be used in Somalia to hunt bad guys but not in America. Yes you can say we have satellites, we have Google Street, we have everything else, but that is no reason to accept a society where you are always watched by the government.

"I would predict the first guy who uses a second amendment weapon to bring a drone down who is hovering over his house will become a folk hero."

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/fox-news-analyst-first-american-to-shoot-down-a-domestic-spy-drone-will-become-a-folk-hero-2012-5#ixzz1uyNlHG00

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2012election; banglist; cwii; dontspyonme; donttreadonme; drone; election2012; kenyanbornmuzzie; krauthammer; lping; mittromney; shoot
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To: Bob Buchholz
From another Freeper link, by JohnKinAK, quoting a comment on the article here:

Shoot down of civilian 'animal rights drone' by Hunt Club.

"There was a time when a R/C Club used to get up on Sundays at the crack of dawn and fly noisy Radio Controlled Airplanes right over my house where I was trying to sleep in. Being a peaceful person who had asked the R/C/ Club to just fly the Airplanes in the other direction at least until I was awake I handled the problem just like a peaceful person would.

I went to a Hobby Store and bought the most powerful R/C controller with a handful of the frequency chips that you could swap out in seconds. Each time a Radio Controlled Aircraft buzzed directly over my house I got the controller. With the swiftness of a sniper, I simply used the R/C controller by swapping out the chips until got the frequency of the buzzing airplane, took control and flew it out of site over the woods never to be found again. It only took three aircraft losses to be able to sleep in on Sundays. All peaceful. All legal. Anyone listening??


101 posted on 05/15/2012 8:12:21 PM PDT by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: Pox

Let the arms race begin.


102 posted on 05/15/2012 8:17:09 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Cloud storage? Dropbox rocks! Sign up at http://db.tt/nQqWGd3 for 2GB free (and I get more too).)
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To: JohnKinAK

Smartest thing I’ve heard Charles say in a long time.


103 posted on 05/15/2012 8:24:26 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: JohnKinAK

Solve two problems at once. Hack into them and direct them to crash into red light cameras.


104 posted on 05/15/2012 8:27:20 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (We are the 53%. 47% of Americans pay no taxes; end the free ride...)
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To: omega4179
"Or foul the frequency with noise..."

I'm guessing they probably operate on a SINGCGARS radio, which frequency hops 111 times x second. I would think if one were to be brought down, it will be done by a hacker. Given the operational altitude of these things, there's probably very little the average citizen can do, although if it's known where they're taking off and landing from, something along these lines may hae some promise, albeit a quite expensive one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMvGHxS_yDQ&feature=related

105 posted on 05/15/2012 8:41:04 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: JohnKinAK

He’ll become a DEAD folk hero or an imprisoned folk hero.


106 posted on 05/15/2012 8:56:11 PM PDT by Terry Mross ("It happened. And we let it happen." Peter Griffin - FAMILY GUY)
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To: JohnKinAK
Here's the problem: most of these new surveillance drones are physically very small with muffled engines that are painted to blend in with the sky, and if they're flying at over 2,000 feet in altitude, they'll be almost impossible to physically see one without the aid of binoculars. Unless you have a real AA machine gun mount, you can forget about shooting one down.
107 posted on 05/15/2012 9:02:08 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: MrB

See thru walls with infrared... not easy to hide from that.


108 posted on 05/15/2012 9:14:25 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: Political Junkie Too

Montgomery County Sheriff’s Office north of Houston has one. Lots of cities, and I mean small cities, have them compliments of Homeland Security. The question is “who” is flying them. I doubt some deputy sheriffs have the training.

What really scares me is we’ve always thought the county sheriffs would stand with the people. Not so sure anymore. They like those toys they get from the government.


109 posted on 05/15/2012 9:15:29 PM PDT by Terry Mross ("It happened. And we let it happen." Peter Griffin - FAMILY GUY)
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To: JohnKinAK
A better watch is at the Fox News web site at about 5:00 seconds. He said - and this is THE "money" quote:

"It's going to be the bane of our existence. Stop it here. Stop it now."

Debate over using drones to monitor American cities

Boy, I've had my differences of opinion on constitutional authority with Mr. Krauthammer, but, he NAILD THIS ISSUE dead to right!

110 posted on 05/15/2012 9:40:58 PM PDT by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: Mad Dawgg
"See Through Walls Technology Xaver"

Yep, it's like Google Sat today vs what has been available for about 30 years in the military.

I worked at Texas Instruments in the early 80's (the inventor of semiconductors among other digital technologies). My ex military compatriots told me they could see the nose hairs of targets from their optics.

111 posted on 05/15/2012 10:11:00 PM PDT by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: RandallFlagg

i don’t need any of this working class hero bullshit!

that’s when i threw hooper overboard chiefy.

thanks for the laugh.


112 posted on 05/15/2012 10:39:56 PM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: JohnKinAK

Balloons tethered at different altitudes for long periods of time, painted sky colors, design a lightweight web made from high strength fibers like Spectra. Or just dangle streamers. Something to snare a propeller.

Just do some research about barrage balloons during WW2.

But if I wanted to shoot one down I might design a super air cannon flak gun loaded with paint balls, paint the optics at the very least. Do a search on the Punkin Chunkin air cannons, any redneck with a truck, a scrap yard and a welder can make one.

last but not least fly an Iranian flag, Obama will send you a drone for free.


113 posted on 05/16/2012 1:02:42 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Liberals need not reply.)
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To: JohnKinAK

I'm your Huckleberry. That's just my game.

114 posted on 05/16/2012 1:15:41 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Political Junkie Too
36 posted on Tue May 15 2012 16:27:16 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by Political Junkie Too: “Drones are military equipment. Isn't it a violation of Posse Comitatus to use drones over the United States against its citizens?”

Not if you give or sell it to the National Guard or civilian police agencies.

There are perfectly legitimate reasons to use drones. I can think of a specific situation in my county in which the use of a drone ended a standoff with an estranged husband who had shot and wounded a police officer after he failed to kill his wife and then barricaded himself in his wife's property after she escaped. At the time I was asked not to report on the use of the technology since it was not yet widely known what our forces were doing in Iraq and Afghanistan with high-tech surveillance equipment, but that's now widespread public knowledge.

There are also search-and-rescue situations where virtually everyone would believe drones are good because they save lives.

If you can see it from a plane, you can see it from a drone, and there's no legal barrier to using one.

After seeing just a small portion of the surveillance technology available to the federal government used in that shooter standoff situation, I think it's fair to say that their capabilities are far greater than what our enemies know.

Of course, not all things which are legal are a good idea and I share the concerns of a number of people on this thread about government surveillance. This is question of what the government **SHOULD** be doing, not what it legally **CAN** be doing.

115 posted on 05/16/2012 3:17:56 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: HiTech RedNeck; All

I like the idea of using old technology to thwart overflights by these intruders...

The Brits had it right idea during the Blitz back in the day...

Just tie up a bunch of balloons with lightweight cables or even heavy fishing tackle line...

Should do the trick...

Then all you guys with the heavy artillery can save a little ammo in the mean time...

Just a thought...;-)


116 posted on 05/16/2012 4:19:50 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I Occupy the Gun Range!!!)
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To: dfwgator

That lyric could almost work for the tune, “If I were a Rich Man!”, from “Fiddler On the Roof” fame...

Now I’m never gonna get that tune outta muh head today!!! Uggghhhh!!!


117 posted on 05/16/2012 4:22:09 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I Occupy the Gun Range!!!)
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To: papertyger; Travis McGee

Now thats a frugal FReeper!!!

Simple, elegant and downright genius!!!

Whats the reception range of an Airhog???

I know they sell some upsized knockoffs at some kiosks in the malls around the country that could do the same thing...I think their range is only about a couple hundred feet though...


118 posted on 05/16/2012 4:27:45 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I Occupy the Gun Range!!!)
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To: JohnKinAK
Or missing...
119 posted on 05/16/2012 4:28:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: JerseyanExile; All

Party pooper!!!


120 posted on 05/16/2012 4:31:11 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I Occupy the Gun Range!!!)
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To: JohnKinAK

Have fun!

Spy on your neighbors!

http://www.brookstone.com/parrot-ar-drone-2-quadricopter?bkeid=compare%7cmercent%7cgooglebaseads%7csearch&mr:trackingCode=D42C0D3E-BE67-E111-B2BE-001B21A69EB0&mr:referralID=NA&mr:adType=pla&gclid=CPLNhs3ahLACFYcBQAodcwvGmQ


121 posted on 05/16/2012 4:32:10 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Theoria

Zimmerman wishes he had an IR one...


122 posted on 05/16/2012 4:34:01 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: MrB
He said they have the ability to see through walls.

So do I. It's called a WINDOW!

123 posted on 05/16/2012 4:34:47 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: KoRn

Overkill.

Deer netting is almost invisible...

http://www.deerbusters.com/?gclid=CN6L-PzbhLACFSWFQAodvCAmjA


124 posted on 05/16/2012 4:37:51 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: KoRn

Mist net would snare some lil buggers flitting about yer place.


125 posted on 05/16/2012 4:38:54 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: WildHighlander57

I just installed radiant barrier roofing material...
I wonder how that does vs infrared imaging?


126 posted on 05/16/2012 4:39:07 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Kites only go downwind...


127 posted on 05/16/2012 4:41:39 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Mad Dawgg

128 posted on 05/16/2012 5:04:07 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: MrB

Maybe shield it a little.*

Freeper project:

Get an IR camera, set it in front of a board with heat shield installed on it, let someone walk behind the board and check to see if the camera can see the heat signature.

*But I’ve heard that radiant barrier material lessens the life of your shingles, due to the heat reflection/ redirection.


129 posted on 05/16/2012 5:12:11 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: stevie_d_64
Whats the reception range of an Airhog??? I know they sell some upsized knockoffs at some kiosks in the malls around the country that could do the same thing...I think their range is only about a couple hundred feet though...

Unfortunately, my little girl is not yet old enough to provide me with sufficient excuse for playing with such cool toys, so I don't know. ;o)

Come on fourth birthday!

130 posted on 05/16/2012 5:22:30 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: WildHighlander57

I’ve heard the “reduced shingle life” issue, but I don’t think that’s really a problem - they get pretty hot up there anyway. The problem is when that heat seeps down through your attic, your ceiling, and your house. Preventing that increases comfort and lowers cooling costs.

And, if you want to cool your shingles - water them.


131 posted on 05/16/2012 5:28:01 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: JohnKinAK; glock rocks; Pete-R-Bilt; colorcountry; Elsie
first guy who uses a second amendment weapon

Come to the FReeper picnic in July. Glock Rocks and Pete-R-Bilt will help you decide the best choices. Colorcountry might even bring her special weaponry that can shoot the eye out of a turkey at 100 yards.

132 posted on 05/16/2012 5:36:06 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where FReepers Convene in July.)
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To: MrB

A person could in its simplest form just have a sprinkler system on the roof to chill it or better yet for the serious shielding get one of those tractor trailer reefer units, lay a grid of PEX tubing on your roof, lay another layer of OSB, tarpaper roofing paper or whatever your roof is.

Basically you are building a chilled roof that would be near freezing.

Its not as hard as you think, I build hydronic heated floors in my house, most of the stuff comes from Lowes. With a little creativity and a heat exchanger I can create a thermal shield. Same can be done with the walls.

the goal is actually not to do this on your whole house but a more discreet building like a shop, up in Alaska the pot growers use this reverse hydronic idea to shield the roof from overhead flights of aircraft with thermal scanners.


133 posted on 05/16/2012 5:42:39 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Liberals need not reply.)
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To: Eye of Unk

I intend to install a drip irrigation system along the roof ridge. The BTUs required to heat water from 55/60 deg to evaporation are incredible if you do the math.
And those are BTUs that your $AC doesn’t have to handle.


134 posted on 05/16/2012 5:55:35 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

These should work well...

135 posted on 05/16/2012 8:35:02 AM PDT by Kenton
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To: darrellmaurina
Fine. Then turn the administration of domestic drones over to a civilian authority to operate.

-PJ

136 posted on 05/16/2012 8:51:55 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: WildHighlander57
See thru walls with infrared... not easy to hide from that.

Well... according to MythBusters...

137 posted on 05/16/2012 9:23:03 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Terry Mross
I doubt some deputy sheriffs have the training.

Some?

It only takes one.

http://www.gefs-online.com/

138 posted on 05/16/2012 9:24:13 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: WildHighlander57
...I’ve heard that radiant barrier material lessens the life of your shingles...

I've heard the same about napalm.

139 posted on 05/16/2012 9:26:40 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: papertyger

What?

Mine was still crawling when she got her first RC car!


140 posted on 05/16/2012 9:27:28 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Eye of Unk
cally you are building a chilled roof that would be near freezing.

Yeah; look WAY different than your neighbors roofs in IR.

That'll lessen the curiousity of the fuzz!

141 posted on 05/16/2012 9:29:00 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: MrB

“He said they have the ability to see through walls.”

Yes, they can. It uses mutliple frequencies, actually lots of frequencies, that act like a radar. One frequency will make it through drywall and bounce off metal objects while another frequency can make it through drywall and bounce off wood. Another frequency can make it through brick and do the same. Etc, etc, etc. So, lots of frequencies all getting through various materials and bouncing off various materials makes for a rather impressive image when assembling all those frequencies together.

We have had satellites with that capability for a number of years now and the technology has made it into nearly handheld sized devices. Ground vehicles and airborne platforms are already in the US and operating.


142 posted on 05/16/2012 9:35:38 AM PDT by CodeToad (Homosexuals are homophobes. They insist on being called “gay” instead.)
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To: JudgemAll

“They might as well launch missiles around ready to kill anyone with the push of a button.”

Those drones already have missiles and they can kill with the push of a button.


143 posted on 05/16/2012 9:37:26 AM PDT by CodeToad (Homosexuals are homophobes. They insist on being called “gay” instead.)
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To: omega4179

“Or foul the frequency with noise “

Not possible. Look up ‘frequency hopping”. Their communications can hop frequencies every pulse and the frequency range is extremely wide. The signal is also in the grass already so don’t even hope to overpower it, it doesn’t operate on that level of power. The system also detects jamming signals and keeps its frequency hopping out of that range. A VERY powerful transmitter capable of extremely wideband transmissions can jam that type of signal but only ship and ground based systems have ever been successful at it. They can pulse in excess of 100 megawatts over 100 MHz at a time for a duration of over 10ms. Even then the jamming isn’t always successful. No space or airborne platform has yet to accomplish such a feat. Airborne platforms have jammed only in very short ranges such as 3-5 miles, past that and the pwoer simply falls off too quickly.


144 posted on 05/16/2012 9:43:48 AM PDT by CodeToad (Homosexuals are homophobes. They insist on being called “gay” instead.)
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To: varyouga

“They are probably very close or already able to see in 3D through walls. “

Done. Single system using simple delay logic. What bounces off of clothing doesn’t bounce 100% of the signal back so when it penetrates a human body it strikes the other side of the clothing and comes back again, much weaker but detectable. Only metal objects require multidimensional scanning for high resolutions but even then using scatter and collect technologies a 3D image is still possible with a single scanner, just not at higher resolutions.


145 posted on 05/16/2012 9:48:03 AM PDT by CodeToad (Homosexuals are homophobes. They insist on being called “gay” instead.)
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To: Terry Mross

“The question is “who” is flying them. I doubt some deputy sheriffs have the training.”

Civilian contractors under supervision of the Air Force typically. The FAA monitors the operation for civil aviation authority regulatory compliance but they ar enot directing the operation in any way.


146 posted on 05/16/2012 9:51:24 AM PDT by CodeToad (Homosexuals are homophobes. They insist on being called “gay” instead.)
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To: JohnKinAK
Here is Youtube footage of a supposed drone near Chicago. A lot of the comments pan the footage as fake. I don't know it might be a hoax but with the Nato summit coming up I guess its possible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzrS0BVJynM
147 posted on 05/16/2012 10:01:08 AM PDT by Polynikes (Hakkaa Palle)
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To: Eye of Unk; MrB; Elsie; tubebender
A person could in its simplest form just have a sprinkler system on the roof to chill it or better yet for the serious shielding get one of those tractor trailer reefer units, lay a grid of PEX tubing on your roof, lay another layer of OSB, tarpaper roofing paper or whatever your roof is.

Do that, and you better have something covert and nefarious going on to afford the fuel and maintenance you'll spend not to mention in Cal. it'll have to be CARB certified.

UNNGGH!

148 posted on 05/16/2012 10:50:48 AM PDT by Pete-R-Bilt (I love guns... and coffee!)
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To: Pete-R-Bilt; Eye of Unk

The funny thing is, when you water your roof to take advantage of evaporative cooling,
you’re making a REAL “greenhouse gas” - water vapor - in order to avoid using electricity, whose production involves making the faux greenhouse gas of CO2.


149 posted on 05/16/2012 11:10:37 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: JohnKinAK

posthumously of course.


150 posted on 05/16/2012 11:21:35 AM PDT by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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