Posted on 05/18/2012 5:58:15 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
Trayvon Martin's death was “avoidable.”
That’s the conclusion of a new police report on the unarmed teen’s killing at the hands of George Zimmerman in Sanford, Fla.
"The encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman, if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and awaited the arrival of law enforcement, or conversely, if he had identified himself to Martin as a concerned citizen and initiated dialog in an effort to dispel each party's concern," the document by Sanford, Fla. Police said.
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Wonder how many of those folks have NOW armed themselves.
Wonder how many times and when Tray had visited.
I forgot about Z standing up to the cops on that incident. And boy....cops stick together. We had 2 disgusting cases here...one involving a police chief...and another...a drunk cop hit and run
Also, witnesses have said that the ungodly screams heard on the audio was Zimmerman, not Martin.
And your point is doubly absurd in that there is far more evidence that Martin attacked Zimmerman than your possibility that Zimmerman instigated a physical confrontation with Martin - and the state has to reach the threshhold of beyond a reasonable doubt against Zimmerman, when it can't even muster any evidence that I have seen to contradict Zimmerman's version - which an investigator has confirmed under oath. Zimmerman was well within his legal rights to follow a suspicious person without physically confronting them - unless you can point to any Florida statutes to the contrary.
Zimmerman's claims pass the Occam's razor test with flying colors. Your position doesn't even pass the smell test.
“What the written guidelines of action are, if any?”
I don’t have first hand knowledge of the policy. There was another member of the community NW interviewed who said following suspicious persons at a distance to maintain knowledge of their whereabouts was NW policy. I don’t remember where I read it but you should be able to find it.
Yes, and ultimately it's his parents fault that he's dead. They refused to believe that their little angel could be doing pot, even after he was found with a baggie on him that had marijuana residue and a pipe in it. Had his parents taken this behavior and suspension more seriously, he should never have been allowed to stick his head out of the house. As it is, they chose to blame Zimmerman for their son's death, and blame the rest of us for trying to ruin the kid's reputation by claiming he was smoking pot. It's their failure to parent and supervise their child that led to his demise that night. The kid would have probably been knocked off down the road anyway based on where his behavior was taking him.
All we have are speculative scenarios. Here's one that fits what we know - which is that Martin took steps to avoid a confrontation (he ran) and Zimmerman took active steps to close the gap (he got out of his car and followed)...
Zimmerman and Martin, either by design of one or my pure bad luck for both of them, find themselves face to face. Martin is angry at being followed. Zimmerman is intimidated and either reaches for or shows the gun. If this happened (and it is as likely as any scenario) then Martin had every right to beat the stalker with the gun into submission.
My thinking on this is that Zimmerman is a jerk who got in over his head and had to shoot his way out.
If you have real evidence then post it. But you won't because there is none.
The Civil Rights Chorus is rapidly running out of options as the facts come in. They know that Zimmerman will likely walk even if this should go to trial. They will still want to cast this as some kind of “unjust killing”, that’s the best they can do. They still have leverage on the local Sanford PD and they are working that angle for all it’s worth. That is why this meaningless report got generated. It’s pure BS, but it checks the boxes that Al & Jesse want checked.
That’s a real ninja move. Taking a poke at a guy who (according to your theory) flashed his piece stuffed in his waistband, then jumping on top. Maybe if Trayvon was as high as a kite (impaired judgment) he might go for it, but...
My thinking on this is that you're reading your own biases into this story big-time.
I don't know where you get off insinuating that a person has no right to follow a suspicious person. And it has turned out that Martin is no angel, was a pot smoker (which can be very expensive) and had been suspended for possession of burglary tools. Dots to connect if you are so inclined that Martin may very well have been doing something other than innocently walking home from the 7-11.
There is no evidence that Zimmerman did anything illegal or improper in this episode. And the thug culture mindset that Martin clearly had started to embrace is entirely consistent with Zimmerman's version of Martin confronting Zimmerman for following him - and then attacking him for no good or legal reason.
So yeah, we can't get Martin's version of events or close all the gaps with irrefutable evidence. But we have data points to weigh Zimmerman's story. And ALL the points so far back his version of events. The only reason he is charged is political cowardice and expediency, because the evidence gets nowhere near a civil preponderence standard, let alone beyond a reasonable doubt.
A pretty sorry statement of the position the prosecutors (and you) are taking here - that Zimmerman bears any kind of culpability for what happened. And if I were you, I would take pause in the fact that you are on the same side as the folks on the left braying for changes to Stand Your Ground and self-defense legal rights.
Yeah, but now Zimmerman is in for a hell of a civil lawsuit, and with this “finding” he’s probably going to be ruined.
Assuming, of course, he is not already bankrupt from defending against the criminal charges.
This is what Crump has been looking for and he’ll be all over it...
According to Zimmerman's version, he had lost sight of Martin when suddenly Martin came up to him from behind. If he had tried to run, Martin could have caught him, but if he didn't know Martin was about to knock him down, and he expected the cops to be there any moment, why should he run? He didn't know if Martin was armed.
Again according to Zimmerman, it was only after they were on the ground and Martin was beating him up that Martin saw his gun and tried to grab it. If he had succeeded, Zimmerman would be dead, and no one outside of Sanford, FL, would have heard of the incident. "Dead Hispanic, unknown assailant."
There is plenty of evidence. You are just making the absurd insinuation that it needs to reach a standard of beyond a reasonable doubt. The only problem is for your stance is that it's the prosecution that has to reach that standard against Zimmerman.
If you have real evidence then post it. But you won't because there is none.
I have posted it. If you'd pull your head out of your arse, you could see that.
You go with that.
The problem I see now is that your reasoning is being clouded by your prejudice regarding Zimmerman.
LOL, you’re pathetic.
You say that you have real evidence that Martin attacked Zimmerman --- I say that you are not being truthful.
Everybody forgets that Zimmerman was functioning as a neighborhood watch volunteer. As such, he was doing what a neighborhood watchman should do. If he hadn’t been attacked, Martin would still be alive. Therefore, if Martin had continued on his way, his death would have been avoided.
I don't know about that. Putting myself into Zimmerman's shoes (armed, gun in waistband). As soon as I'm in a face-to-face confrontation with somebody and it 'might' get physical. I'm not thinking about throwing a punch or wrestling on the ground, because my number 1 concern is about the possibility of being disarmed.
Once Trayvon threw that punch he was, more likely than not, going to be looking at a drawn gun.
My only prejudice is for the truth.
The scenario I posted (and described as speculation) fits the facts as well as any other posted her and sworn to by the posters as being the truth.
If you have actual evidence that Martin attacked Zimmerman then post it. If you don't then anything you do post about it is nothing but speculation too.
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