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1 posted on 05/19/2012 7:03:00 PM PDT by Steelfish
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This is a very inner city Cincinnati church struggling to find members. Half its staff are minority and they are squishy about many doctrinal areas and very lib politically. also their pastor, the Rev beard, would seem to have a cloud over him as this lib site attests:

Pastor Ted’s gay lover to kiss and tell
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Fallen evangelical power broker Ted Haggard’s ex-prostitute, Mike Jones, has signed a deal to write a “sexually explicit” book about their relationship. Jones is likely tantalizing James Dobson with his comment that the kiss and tell memoir will also describe encounters with “other people who are similar.”

Meanwhile, Haggard’s former church, New Life, has fired another pastor, Christopher Beard, for unspecified sexual misconduct. The press accounts are fuzzy, but the gist seems to be that nine years ago, before he was married, Beard — are you sitting down? — slept with another unmarried person. The vagueness of the charge leaves open the possibility Beard’s being punished for having violated the youth ministry’s abstinence pledge (he was a youth ministry leader) or that he slept with another man. Only in the repressed world of Colorado Springs would either innocent occurrence be grounds for firing. Expect the purging to continue until there are enough sinners in rehab to start a new church of their own.

http://www.alternet.org/story/45817/pastor_ted’s_gay_lover_to_kiss_and_tell/


27 posted on 05/19/2012 8:49:47 PM PDT by robowombat
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Unfortunately, there are many, many, many evangelical pastors and Christians who just plain do not know Christian theology. They do not see the importance of knowing orthodox Christian doctrine.

This makes them susceptable to false teaching. Now, it is true the Jesus and the early church had compassion on the poor and destitute. The church was to take care of it’s widows and orphans - but, there was certain stipulations that had to be met before the church took care of “true widows”.

The Apostle Paul said that anyone who is not willing to work should not be fed (not taken care of financially):

“2 Thessalonians 3:10
For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”

As to illegal immigration, there are passages in the Old Testament that Israel was to treat the alien and the foreigner with justice and equity and not take advantage of them - and, no one is advocating treating even illegal aliens unjustly - only that they come here legally.

The scriptural passages regarding aliens in the country probably are not dealing with people who came illegally, so I don’t really see the connection.

Again, much of this “progressive” Christianity is possibly well-meaning, but misguided and from ignorance of the scriptures.


29 posted on 05/19/2012 8:53:47 PM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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Anyone who uses the word “text,” a word closely associated with Critical Literary Theory in this way is not and cannot be a conservative christian. This guy is simply lying when he says he is.


32 posted on 05/19/2012 9:03:56 PM PDT by MediaMole
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I would not trust the LA Times as my source for news within the Evangelical world, although I have not been as in touch with things as I used to be.

There has always been a left-wing fringe in the Evangelical movement, as characterized by the “Sojourners” folks and/or Goshen College (in Indiana).

Still, the LAT is probably a good source for outing the lefties who try to claim the “evangelical” label.

However, I do have to admit that the Evangelical “vatican,” or the NAE, is far more liberal than I wish they were.

I am jaded enough by the liberalizing trends within Evangelicalism/Pentacostalism to no longer be terribly inclined to identify myself as an “evangelical.”

I am still a Bible-believing Christian, and I am not soft on the enforcement of immigration law or other “social” hot-button issues.

I guess I am just an old fart.


34 posted on 05/19/2012 9:25:16 PM PDT by man_in_tx (Blowback: Faithfully farting towards Mecca five times daily!)
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Just because they aren’t necessarily in lock step with some conservative policies ~doesn’t mean~ that they will embrace anti-biblical positions such as fake-marriage or abortion.

Obama is clearly out of step with Christians on this-and unless they really aren’t saved (with questionable theology), they won’t be voting Obama.


35 posted on 05/19/2012 9:38:40 PM PDT by JSDude1
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What he means is that Marxists have finally succeeded in taking over the Evangelicals.


38 posted on 05/20/2012 12:22:51 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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Maybe Yankee evangelicals if there are any.....union type

Down here my southern baptist homeboy parson has declared war on the magic half negro kenyan whatever

That homo stuff dont sell well here

Seth Meyers even hit on it tonight....candid


40 posted on 05/20/2012 1:35:40 AM PDT by wardaddy (the GOP are cowards)
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Dream on.


42 posted on 05/20/2012 3:14:28 AM PDT by Prospero
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This delusional piece bumps its head on this truth: as per a huge survey done by Pew:
http://www.pewforum.org/Politics-and-Elections/Trends-in-Party-Identification-of-Religious-Groups-attendance.aspx

White Evangelicals have gotten 15 percent MORE Republican SINCE 2008. They are now 82% Republican.


43 posted on 05/20/2012 4:05:27 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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Hey Rev.......The sacraments of the Democrat Party are ABORTION nd Gay Marriage. YOU are dancing on the trap door of HELL when you support this EVIL.


44 posted on 05/20/2012 4:15:10 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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Let em think they do. . . . . . .
Wait until it's over they will find out the truth. . . .
45 posted on 05/20/2012 4:16:10 AM PDT by DeaconRed (My vote in Nov will be dictated by my extreme hatred for ZERO and what he is doing to our country.)
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