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Will U.S. Sovereignty Be LOST At Sea? Obama Signs U.N. Treaty That Redistributes Drilling Revenues
Forbes ^ | may 20, 2012 | Forbes OpEd

Posted on 05/20/2012 10:18:50 AM PDT by Innovative

A proposed Law of the Sea Treaty (LOST), which has been signed by President Obama but not yet ratified by Congress, will subordinate U.S. naval and drilling operations beyond 200 miles of our coast to a newly established U.N. bureaucracy. If approved, it will grant a Kingston, Jamaica-based International Seabed Authority (ISA) the power to regulate deep-sea oil exploration, seabed mining, and fishing rights.

As part of the deal, as much as 7% of U.S. government revenue that is collected from oil and gas companies operating off our coast will be forked over to ISA for redistribution to poorer, landlocked countries. This apparently is in penance for America's audacity in perpetuating prosperity yielded by our Industrial Revolution.

Like the U.N.'s Kyoto Protocol debacle that preceded it, this most recent LOST cause embodies the progressive ideal of subordinating the sovereignty of nation states to authoritarian dictates of a world body. The U.S. would have one vote out of 160 regarding where the money would go, and be obligated to hand over offshore drilling technology to any nation that wants it... for free.

(Excerpt) Read more at forbes.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
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To: Joshua Marcus

101 posted on 05/20/2012 1:41:16 PM PDT by tomkat (:^)
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To: Innovative

Is this what you moderates wanted?


102 posted on 05/20/2012 1:41:44 PM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: Gator113
I see the purpose of this thread as little more than another way to convince conservatives to vote for RINO Romney.

YUP! Just another cattle call for useful idiots on the right.

103 posted on 05/20/2012 1:42:25 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: All

Another little gem I just came across:

Obama Seeks Sovereignty Surrender Via LOST Treaty

“The treaty was co-authored by Elisabeth Mann Borgese, an admirer of Karl Marx and a socialist who ran the World Federation of Canada.

She views the oceans as the “common heritage of mankind” and in a 1999 speech declared, “The world ocean has been and is, so to speak, our great laboratory for the making of a new world order.”

http://news.investors.com/article/610769/201205081849/obama-pushes-law-of-the-sea-treaty.htm?p=full


104 posted on 05/20/2012 1:46:43 PM PDT by Innovative (None are so blind that will not see.)
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To: Innovative

President Reagan thought it was such a lousy idea that he not only refused to sign, but actually fired the State Department staff that helped negotiate it.

The state department is supposed to work for us and over time we find them being the enemy. At least 90% of that department should be pink slipped. New hires should be required to be natural born citizens. That would perhaps prevent or at least slow down the transition to domestic enemies


105 posted on 05/20/2012 1:48:16 PM PDT by W. W. SMITH (Maybe the horse will learn to sing)
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To: Innovative

When your house is burning down, are you going to stop the firefighters from saving it, because you have a personal dislike of the particular firefighter who is trying to save your house?

When the fire fighter shows up with a flame thrower, you d** right I will try to stop him And Romney has a flame thrower bigger than Obama’s.

Google Goode, a far better choice if the horse does not sing.


106 posted on 05/20/2012 1:55:38 PM PDT by W. W. SMITH (Maybe the horse will learn to sing)
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To: RedMonqey

it’s worthless without the Senate’s consent.

It’s called an executive order and a Senate that has no testicles will cut our throats.


107 posted on 05/20/2012 2:00:01 PM PDT by W. W. SMITH (Maybe the horse will learn to sing)
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To: All

John Bolton, a smart foreign policy hawk endorsed Romney back in Jan.

Romney’s newest big-name supporter comes out swinging

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57359141-503544/romneys-newest-big-name-supporter-comes-out-swinging/

“As Mitt Romney’s newest foreign-policy surrogate, former U.N. Ambassador John Bolton made it immediately clear Friday that he’s prepared to be one of the fiercest attack dogs of President Obama’s foreign policy.

Bolton endorsed Romney earlier this week. In touting the former Massachusetts governor’s candidacy, Bolton said voters “want a president who has judgment, who has steadiness of purpose, who has leadership, who won’t falter in a crisis, and who doesn’t believe that the role of America in the world is to be a well-bred doormat.”


108 posted on 05/20/2012 2:01:54 PM PDT by Innovative (None are so blind that will not see.)
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To: lentulusgracchus

“Of course, R-Money, the current RiNO/Yacht Club/NWO candidate, wouldn’t touch any of those NWO holy grails — hell, he would probably sign some more of ‘em if Bribeme Annan and Bunko Moon pushed them Mitty’s way.”

Exactly! And best of all - the Republicans go along with it!

Better enemy fire than friendly fire.


109 posted on 05/20/2012 2:07:47 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge
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To: W. W. SMITH

“Romney has a flame thrower bigger than Obama’s.”

Making a ludicrous claim that Romney would be worse than Obama for the country, only demonstrates your lack of understanding of the results of an Obama presidency and your belief that everyone on this board is so incredibly ignorant, that they would believe such statement.

Please ignore the statement in paranthesis.

(This is a polite way of saying — are you that stupid, or do you think we are?)


110 posted on 05/20/2012 2:08:35 PM PDT by Innovative (None are so blind that will not see.)
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To: Lazamataz

If you attack tumblindice, you attack me.
You do NOT want to attack me.
And I will watch your back Laz.


111 posted on 05/20/2012 2:13:36 PM PDT by W. W. SMITH (Maybe the horse will learn to sing)
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To: Innovative

“Making a ludicrous claim that Romney would be worse than Obama for the country, only demonstrates your lack of understanding of the results of an Obama presidency and your belief that everyone on this board is so incredibly ignorant, that they would believe such statement.”

Since when has Mitt ever opposed globalization? Bueller, Bueller? Anybody?


112 posted on 05/20/2012 2:14:19 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge
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To: fella; potlatch; PhilDragoo; bitt

Since when does 0 follow the Constitution? He will do what he can get away with. He has made it plain he intends to work around Congress, too.

Note that the commentariat has been pounding this theme:
Forward is good. Anything else is backward. Implicit theme: You wouldn’t want to be backward, would you?


113 posted on 05/20/2012 2:19:11 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: Innovative
Thanks for the link but LOST has been around for 20 years. I'm well aware what it is. So Romney's going to unsign it right?
I see your starting with the personal attacks downthread so let me explain ahead of your reply.
If someone asked if I was a pervert my immediate answer would be "NO". You're telling me I need to change that to "Under certain circumstances for my country"
The short answer: No way,no how,not ever. I fear no man enough to change my core beliefs.
114 posted on 05/20/2012 2:27:57 PM PDT by TexasSecede79366
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To: tumblindice

I think our choices are limited.


115 posted on 05/20/2012 2:28:09 PM PDT by maineman (BC EAGLES FAN)
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To: WellyP

he only gets 10 years of SS protection.

I’m curious how will the SS be accommodated when Obama is in prison? Does his detail get the cells either side of his cell?


116 posted on 05/20/2012 2:30:09 PM PDT by W. W. SMITH (Maybe the horse will learn to sing)
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To: AU72

“He can sign all the treaties he wants, still needs 67 Senate votes”

Yep and they only exist in Barry’s dreams.


117 posted on 05/20/2012 2:35:40 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Innovative
"As part of the deal, as much as 7% of U.S. government revenue that is collected from oil and gas companies operating off our coast will be forked over to ISA for redistribution to poorer, landlocked countries."

Which will more quickly bring a bond collapse and layoffs of political regulators/busybodies. Okay.


118 posted on 05/20/2012 2:37:15 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: Innovative

The Democrat party, controlled by a small faction of communists/socialists, is in a full out sprint for the cliff where they can leap into that factions oh so glorious utopia. The media, screaming and wetting their panties in excitement, cheering them on. The GOP-E and rinos, with Romney in the lead, are five yards back and mad as hell that they wont be able to jump at the same time as their friends.

Both parties are well to the left of the political spectrum when they belong to the right of center. The Democrats slightly right of center and the Republicans further to the right.


119 posted on 05/20/2012 2:41:35 PM PDT by W. W. SMITH (Maybe the horse will learn to sing)
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To: Innovative
This is what you get with Obama -- can we afford four more years?!

Stop blaming Obama D**N it! His reality is bad enough.
To become valid, all treaties must re ratified by the Senate (originally representing states only.)

Thow those enablers on their butts out of office and the Great Uniter is powerless.

120 posted on 05/20/2012 2:46:20 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("It's easy to make promises you can't keep" - B.H.Obama Feb 23, 2012)
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To: Innovative

“This is what you get with Obama — can we afford four more years?!
Obama is actively working for the destruction of the US and our sovereignty. “

RINOmney would probably sign it and the Senate would feel obligated to back him up ...


121 posted on 05/20/2012 2:51:32 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ("I'm comfortable with a Romney win." - Pres. Jimmy Carter)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

“He can sign all the treaties he wants, still needs 67 Senate votes”

I need to expand an earlier post. Obama has already bypassed the senate on a treaty they refused to ratify with an executive order and the senate, without enough testosterone to raise a slight woodie, did nothing to stop it. On the LOST treaty he will simply issue another EO and the Senate will cut our throats doing nothing to stop him.


122 posted on 05/20/2012 2:53:22 PM PDT by W. W. SMITH (Maybe the horse will learn to sing)
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To: what's up

Bull crap! All 0 has to do is tell the neutered repubs in congress that its part of homeland security and they will grab it hook, line and sinker!


123 posted on 05/20/2012 2:55:30 PM PDT by Principle Over Politics (Obamney or Rombama 2012. Two sides of the same coin. Pick your poisen!)
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To: Publius6961

see post 122


124 posted on 05/20/2012 2:55:30 PM PDT by W. W. SMITH (Maybe the horse will learn to sing)
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To: Nowhere Man; Innovative

Yes, but this doctor basically lost his Massachusetts medical license. He’s gonna have to perform really good medicine to get my vote.


125 posted on 05/20/2012 2:59:59 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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To: Innovative

When your house is burning down, are you going to stop the firefighters from saving it, because you have a personal dislike of the particular firefighter who is trying to save your house?


Wait, he’s not actually a firefighter and he has a garden hose with a bunch of holes in it.
I’m not even sure there is any water coming out of it?
It probably won’t put the fire out but go ahead and wave your hose around Willard.
We can always rebuild the house after it burns down.


126 posted on 05/20/2012 3:02:45 PM PDT by Leep (Enemy of the Statist)
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To: Leep

Innovative: “When your house is burning down, are you going to stop the firefighters from saving it, because you have a personal dislike of the particular firefighter who is trying to save your house?”

Leap: “We can always rebuild the house after it burns down.”

Yes, what an intelligent approach — instead of trying to save it, just stand by and let it burn to the ground, with all the valuables in it.

Please see my response to another poster in my post 110. Your comment is of similar value.


127 posted on 05/20/2012 3:09:25 PM PDT by Innovative (None are so blind that will not see.)
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To: Lazamataz

Hey Laz hurry up and take a picture of your back and post it so I can watch your back for you.


128 posted on 05/20/2012 3:13:17 PM PDT by W. W. SMITH (Maybe the horse will learn to sing)
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To: W. W. SMITH
Hey Laz hurry up and take a picture of your back and post it so I can watch your back for you.


129 posted on 05/20/2012 3:20:42 PM PDT by Lazamataz (The so-called 'mainstream' media has gone from "biased" straight to "utterly surreal".)
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To: Innovative

Romney is a rich ultra-liberal who may well have bought his way into the White House.
66% of the voters wanted someone else.
Not counting the folks who just didn’t vote.
As you may recall there were low turn outs.

Anyhow, Romney is not a flawed but heroic fire fighter.
Like I said, he likely not a fire fighter at all.
Most are hoping he can fight his way out of a wet paper bag.
Which most Rinos can not.

He’s not a Humphrey Bogart or Clint Eastwood character in the movies.
You know the flawed bad guy who has a code of ethics.
He’s closer to a peter lourre character.
A greasy guy who is mostly in it for himself.


130 posted on 05/20/2012 3:33:50 PM PDT by Leep (Enemy of the Statist)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Your view is skewed by your sampling error: That half looks impressive if one’s view is confined to the local confines here, but on a national scale it is asymptotically approaching irrelevance.


131 posted on 05/20/2012 3:41:17 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: Innovative

Yes, what an intelligent approach — instead of trying to save it, just stand by and let it burn to the ground, with all the valuables in it.


BTW I was just using your analogy. I think what I said is closer to reality than yours.
As for burning down the house. If willard’s hose doesn’t have enough pressure the house is burning down anyhow.
So, if romney has a a holey garden hose he might is well try to put the fire out. although unlikely.

Obama in your analogy would be an arson. Noone is certain what romney is but he says he is a severe fire fighter?


132 posted on 05/20/2012 3:42:00 PM PDT by Leep (Enemy of the Statist)
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To: Innovative
When your house is burning down, are you going to stop the firefighters from saving it, because you have a personal dislike of the particular firefighter who is trying to save your house?

Regardless of other comments, that's the best analogy I'VE seen. It'll help me when I have to go out and do something revolting in Nov. Thanks.

133 posted on 05/20/2012 4:33:06 PM PDT by CatDancer (Still pulling for Newt. Arms getting tired. Mood getting worse. Need new tag. *sigh*)
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To: Innovative

I’m perplexed buy the statement in the article that the U.S Navy actually supports this. I would
D be be moving away from ANY U.N. treaty- they are anti-U..S. and their time is done. Love to hear from John Bolton on this one...


134 posted on 05/20/2012 4:37:42 PM PDT by SueRae (The Tower of Sauron falls on 11.06.2012)
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To: Paleo Conservative
Lugar’s loss did more to rebuild American sovereignty than many realize.
135 posted on 05/20/2012 4:53:11 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: SueRae

See my post 50 — reposting content here:

I think I found the answer - Obama appointed the Sec of Navy, so he naturally supports him.

Obama Taps Mabus for Navy Secretary

“Mabus, 60, is a Democrat who served as governor from 1988 to 1992 and was President Bill Clinton’s ambassador to Saudi Arabia. A Democrat, Mabus endorsed Obama before the 2008 primary season and campaigned extensively on his behalf. “

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/03/27/obama_taps_mabus_for_navy_secr.html


136 posted on 05/20/2012 4:54:39 PM PDT by Innovative (None are so blind that will not see.)
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To: Joshua Marcus

137 posted on 05/20/2012 4:56:21 PM PDT by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: Innovative

Thanks for that, makes perfect sense. I have to remind myself that the Navy has had a few bad apples ..( ala Joe Sestak)


138 posted on 05/20/2012 5:02:37 PM PDT by SueRae (The Tower of Sauron falls on 11.06.2012)
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To: AU72
He can sign all the treaties he wants, still needs 67 Senate votes.

Not true. First, the Constitution specifies "two thirds of Senators PRESENT." Treaties of enormous scope have been ratified on voice vote with no record of a quorum. Second, pursuant to a treaty we never ratified but have respected for nearly forty years as a matter of "customary international law," a treaty is in force upon signature.

139 posted on 05/20/2012 5:07:47 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The RINOcrat Party is still in charge. There has never been a conservative American government.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Yes, but this doctor basically lost his Massachusetts medical license. He’s gonna have to perform really good medicine to get my vote.

Well, the goal is to get Obama out of there, as well as hold onto the House and hopefully gain the Senate. Romney was not my first choice, but I have to vote for him since he is not Obama. I wish we had a much better candidate though, I see your point but we've been dealt this hand and we have to play it as best as we can. We at least stand a much better chance of getting some of what we want with Romney. I know we can do better though.
140 posted on 05/20/2012 5:21:42 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: Innovative

Lugar had planned to lead the charge for LOST after his primary. The White House may figure that with him gone in January, they have to move while they still have his vote and still control the Senate.


141 posted on 05/20/2012 5:23:33 PM PDT by NavVet ("You Lie!")
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To: AU72

“still needs 67 Senate votes.”

Yes, that is what the Constitution says. And with a Constitutional Scholar in the White House what could go wrong?

By the bye, used to be that a written contract was honored by FedGov...but look at the GM bailout, where contracts were simply ignored or overwritten.

I think usually the Senate ratifies the treaty and THEN the POTUS signs it.


142 posted on 05/20/2012 6:31:14 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Lazamataz

AAARRGGGGHHH No one would want to attack that. I hereby refuse to watch your back. I have to eat sometime.


143 posted on 05/20/2012 6:39:17 PM PDT by W. W. SMITH (Maybe the horse will learn to sing)
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To: Innovative
When your house is burning down, are you going to stop the firefighters from saving it, because you have a personal dislike of the particular firefighter who is trying to save your house?

Oh, you mean Firefighter Willard Romney? The one who's secretly loading up the fire cannons with gasoline?

Yeah, I do have a personal dislike of that particular firefighter.

144 posted on 05/20/2012 6:43:46 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: All; CatDancer; Innovative
"When your house is burning down, are you going to stop the firefighters from saving it, because you have a personal dislike of the particular firefighter who is trying to save your house?"

Actually, the analogy is flawed as Romney is a RINO. In other words, both he and Obama are arsonists -Obama just happens to be more of an arsonist than RINO Romney.

It is the House and hopefully the Senate together with the Supreme Court that are keeping the fire at bay and attempting to put the fire out.

True conservatives wonder how best to reform the RINO firehouse that keeps sending arsonists to our rescue.

The question is how best to reform the GOP firehouse RATHER than seeking a third party firehouse. Some would suggest that we keep the RINO away and let the RINO firehouse burn down -let it suffer the fate it promotes THEN rebuild it with real firefighters.

After McCain -I myself grow weary of pretending a slower burn is accomplishing anything...

Romney sucks and if he gets elected the best we can hope for is he will suck for 8 years before a dem gets back into the throne that Romney will not dismantle.

145 posted on 05/20/2012 6:51:22 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: Innovative
Facts are facts..Bush worked towards getting LOST resurrected. Many republicans were alarmed.
The issue was resurrected recently in the U.S. Senate at President Bush’s urging even though critics making up a wide-ranging chorus have concluded it would grant the United Nations control of 70 percent of the planet under its oceans, and undermine U.S. sovereignty.
The plan recently was approved by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, on a 17-4 vote, and now must go before the full Senate.
Sen. Trent Lott, R-Miss., has called it, “U.N. on steroids,” and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee has concluded it is “the dumbest thing we’ve ever done. It’s like taking our sovereignty and handing it over to some international tribunal. What’s wrong with us?”
The affirmation of Bush’s position came from White House spokeswoman Dana Perino, who responded to a question from Les Kinsolving, WND’s White House correspondent. He asked. “How does the president react to the fact that while he supports the Law of the Sea Treaty, all the leading Republican candidates for president now have announced they oppose it?”

http://www.wnd.com/2007/11/44583/

146 posted on 05/20/2012 6:59:06 PM PDT by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: DBeers; Windflier

Anyone like yourselves, who is trying to tell conservatives that there is no difference between Romney and Obama is either totally detached from reality and has not been following how Obama is destroying the US, or an Obama supporter trying to suppress the conservatives’ vote for Romney.

I think you are both most likely to be in the first category. I recommend you learn more about what Obama has done, is doing, and is planning to do, unconstrained in his second term, then crawl through broken glass, if necessary to keep Obama from getting a second term and the only way that happens, is if Romney gets more votes and defeats him.

Reality, anyone?


147 posted on 05/20/2012 7:05:04 PM PDT by Innovative (None are so blind that will not see.)
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To: rockinqsranch

I remember Pat Buchanan said during his campaign. If he wins, he will ask the U.N. to leave and he’d send U.S. marines to help’em pack.


148 posted on 05/20/2012 7:05:41 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: katiedidit1

But Bush never signed it, did he?

Obama did.


149 posted on 05/20/2012 7:05:53 PM PDT by Innovative (None are so blind that will not see.)
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To: Innovative
...He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

Those who do not learn from history are bound to repeat it.

150 posted on 05/20/2012 7:10:10 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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