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More than 32K rounds of ammo seized at home
nogalesinternational.com ^ | 12 June, 2012 | NA

Posted on 06/12/2012 2:48:53 PM PDT by marktwain

Federal authorities say they seized more than 32,000 rounds of ammunition that was likely destined for Mexico during a raid last week on a stash house in downtown Nogales.

Acting on information they developed about a stash house on Paseo del Sur, a one-block, dead-end street in a residential neighborhood on the east side of town, special agents with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement's Homeland Security Investigations (ICE HIS) raided the home last Tuesday, June 5.

Inside, ICE said, the agents “discovered a large cache of ammunition that they suspect was being staged to smuggle into Mexico.”

Seized were 10,000 7.62-caliber rounds; 8,000 .223-caliber rounds; 5,000 9 mm rounds; 5,000 .38 Super rounds; 3,500 .45-caliber rounds; and 1,000 10 mm rounds.

As of Monday, no arrests had been made in the case, which remains under investigation.

What they found

• 10,000 7.62- caliber rounds

• 8,000 .223- caliber rounds

• 5,000 9-mm rounds

• 5,000 .38 Super rounds

• 3,500 .45-caliber rounds

• 1,000 10-mm rounds.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: ammo; ammunition; az; banglist; home
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The story leaves much to be desired. Why did they impound the ammunition? It is not illegal to store ammunition in your home. Many citizens have much more stored than the amounts listed here. I know target shooters who have three times as many rounds in their house.
1 posted on 06/12/2012 2:48:58 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Think I have that much in my couch


2 posted on 06/12/2012 2:54:41 PM PDT by Crazieman (Are you naive enough to think VOTING will fix this entrenched system?)
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To: marktwain

Why did they impound the ammunition?

They are still trying to peddle the “lax U.S. gun laws are responsible for Drug Cartel violence” B.S..

Unless they have evidence of another crime, this is an illegal seizure.


3 posted on 06/12/2012 2:55:18 PM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (Proudly casting a heavy carbon footprint as I clean my guns ---)
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To: Crazieman

You know you have enough when you start making furniture with the unopened cases.


4 posted on 06/12/2012 2:57:23 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: marktwain
Many citizens have much more stored than the amounts listed here.

I don't believe there were any 'citizens' living in that house, from the description.

5 posted on 06/12/2012 2:57:50 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: marktwain

marktwain,
Lady friend of mine is an EMT firewoman in Duval county, Florida. (Jacksonville) She is in rural western part of the county and I asked, soooo, since there are no really big tall building in your area, what is the danger?
She said, “ everyone” out here be it a mansion or a single wide trailer has an arsenal.
Ya never know when said arsenal is going to go off.
Don’t be around me house if it catches fire.


6 posted on 06/12/2012 3:01:50 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: marktwain

Coming soon to a neighborhood near you.


7 posted on 06/12/2012 3:01:55 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: marktwain

He should have bought gold. Brass and lead is worthless if confiscated


8 posted on 06/12/2012 3:02:21 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: marktwain
Fast & Furious: Round Deux


9 posted on 06/12/2012 3:02:38 PM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: marktwain
10,000 7.62-caliber rounds; 8,000 .223-caliber rounds; 5,000 9 mm rounds; 5,000 .38 Super rounds; 3,500 .45-caliber rounds; and 1,000 10 mm rounds.

THAT is unlawful now?

Lucky I lost all of mine in that boating accident this spring I guess.

10 posted on 06/12/2012 3:03:36 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: marktwain
I know target shooters who have three times as many rounds in their house.

You've got to be kidding.

At the price of ammo now? It would take a second mortgage.

But I know what you mean. I have a battle box full of 1,440 round and thought that was a lot.

11 posted on 06/12/2012 3:05:07 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: marktwain

I have more than that within 5 feet of me, and probably 10x that total stashed away... before the boating accident, of course.


12 posted on 06/12/2012 3:05:07 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: bert

how much is confiscated gold worth? illegally confiscated is illegally confiscated.


13 posted on 06/12/2012 3:08:49 PM PDT by 1malumprohibitum
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To: Crazieman

That reminds me - I’m a little low on 10mm.


14 posted on 06/12/2012 3:08:54 PM PDT by Noumenon (If people saw socialists for what they truly are, slaughter would ensue - in self-defense.)
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To: marktwain

I purchased much of my SHTF ammo during the clintoon years.

The value of that investment has kept pace with the increase in the price of gold.

Still - 32K rounds is a good start, but one shouldn’t stop there.


15 posted on 06/12/2012 3:11:00 PM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: marktwain

Just barely got me beat on .38 Super.


16 posted on 06/12/2012 3:14:55 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: marktwain
32,000 rounds of ammunition

Well, someone had a good start....................

17 posted on 06/12/2012 3:20:19 PM PDT by RobertClark (Be prepared, be polite, be professional and have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: marktwain
.38 Super, kicking it old school!
18 posted on 06/12/2012 3:21:18 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: USNBandit

It’s very popular in Mexico because for a long time they had a law prohibiting “military” calibers, i.e. the .45.

It is a great round though, I scored two boxes of Silvertips a couple days ago for a good price. They seem to feed in my LW Commander better than Cor-Bon.


19 posted on 06/12/2012 3:27:53 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: marktwain

Piker. I use mine as as coffee table. :)

I’m kinda suspect that the 10mm and .38super are for drug cartels. Price would be cheaper.


20 posted on 06/12/2012 3:28:32 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Congrats to Ted Kennedy! He's been sober for two years now!!)
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To: marktwain

Don’t look in my basement.

;)


21 posted on 06/12/2012 3:29:43 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: Tijeras_Slim
When I was growing up (at the gun club) we had a few pistol shooters that shot .38 super instead of .45 for the centerfire matches.

Not that I would have ended up a criminal otherwise, but when I look back at those years I realize how lucky I was to grow up at the gun club. Most of the "old guys" that ran the place were WWII vets, we had a couple retired police officers, and just about any profession you could think of. It was a place where doctors hung out with mechanics, loggers were good friends with engineers.

22 posted on 06/12/2012 3:35:30 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: USNBandit

Yes, there was a time when all men took part in the raising of boys, and we had a civil society.


23 posted on 06/12/2012 3:40:40 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Daffynition
Fast & Furious: Round Deux

Well, all those guns Holder shipped them are pretty well useless without bullets.

24 posted on 06/12/2012 3:44:05 PM PDT by Drew68 (I WILL vote to defeat Barack Hussein Obama!)
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To: marktwain
Interesting...

5,000 .38 Super rounds

This is a round very rarely seen these days, outside of competition shooting. USPSA/IPSC "race guns" are usually chambered for .38 Super, due to the fact that they can be classed as "major caliber" while having a much lower recoil than other major caliber rounds. And much safer than trying to load 9mm to major caliber power factors.

10mm would also be unusual for criminal use. I wonder if they actually busted a competition shooter - That amount of ammo for a competition shooter would last less than a month.

Mark

25 posted on 06/12/2012 3:48:43 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: MarkL

.38 Super has long been popular in Mexico, because the .45 was outlawed for civilian ownership as a “military” caliber.

10mm has a prestige factor for the bangers. In 2006 a Sheriff’s Deputy in my neck of the woods was killed by a thug with a Glock 10mm during a traffic stop. It’s seen as a macho round.

These rounds make sense if they were going to smuggle them into Mexico.


26 posted on 06/12/2012 3:56:36 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: MHGinTN

27 posted on 06/12/2012 3:59:41 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: EGPWS
Me too.


28 posted on 06/12/2012 4:03:45 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: Drew68
Well, all those guns Holder shipped them are pretty well useless without bullets.

With primers, cases, and powder; all put together to make a cartridge... something useful in a firearm.

29 posted on 06/12/2012 4:08:36 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: marktwain

Interesting that they would have so much .38 Super. It’s not as common a caliber as 9mm or .45.


30 posted on 06/12/2012 4:08:54 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: marktwain

32k rounds is not a lot of ammo. I used to have more than that, until the tragic boating accident took almost half, after the flood that washed away the other half.


31 posted on 06/12/2012 4:09:14 PM PDT by onemiddleamerican (FUBO and all your terrorist buddies)
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To: marktwain

Drug cartels use .38 Super and 10mm? Something stinks about that right there.


32 posted on 06/12/2012 4:11:31 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: MarkL
My .38 Super built by S&W's Performance Center shop.

.


33 posted on 06/12/2012 4:12:01 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: EGPWS

Dang! Who woulda thought another person on here would have suffered a similar tragedy?


34 posted on 06/12/2012 4:12:06 PM PDT by onemiddleamerican (FUBO and all your terrorist buddies)
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To: clee1

Holy crap! Another one! We are one unlucky bunch, it seems.


35 posted on 06/12/2012 4:14:28 PM PDT by onemiddleamerican (FUBO and all your terrorist buddies)
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To: marktwain

5000 rounds of 38 super. That seals the deal it was bound for sonora ....:o)

Or my old nickle plated 1911A1 el presidente in the same caliber.

Agree on the numbers. Pretty much a six month loadout for a regular 3 gun and IDPA shooter.


36 posted on 06/12/2012 4:17:45 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: marktwain

No fowtay?


37 posted on 06/12/2012 4:20:20 PM PDT by Ham Hock ( i)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

You still have to own an El Presidente to get a NM drivers license ?


38 posted on 06/12/2012 4:22:59 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: bert
He should have bought gold. Brass and lead is worthless if confiscated.

So is gold.

39 posted on 06/12/2012 4:25:43 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: fwdude
I have a battle box full of 1,440 round and thought that was a lot.

The BATFE thanks you for your transparency.

Our SWAT team will be there shortly.

40 posted on 06/12/2012 4:26:52 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: marktwain
32,000 rounds TOTAL of several calibers amounts to nothing for a cartel.

Seriously, I have more than 32K in ONE caliber.

One thousand rounds of 10mm? Ha! Must not shoot that one much.

Of course the average idiot only keeps about 3 boxes of 20 in his home, so 32,000 rounds sounds like a huge number.

More 'Fast and Furious' psyops crap from the evil government.

41 posted on 06/12/2012 4:34:21 PM PDT by JOAT
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To: marktwain

Oh Noes! Not the 10mm!


42 posted on 06/12/2012 4:39:55 PM PDT by 10mm
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To: Cobra64
My .38 Super built by S&W's Performance Center shop.

A right handsome shooting iron, FRiend!

43 posted on 06/12/2012 4:59:36 PM PDT by TonyInOhio (The private sector is doing fine.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

38super is legal in Mehico, 45 is not.


44 posted on 06/12/2012 5:16:46 PM PDT by Kozak (The means of defence against foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home JM)
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To: EGPWS
“Lucky I lost all of mine in that boating accident this spring I guess.”

Mine was all lost in a cave in. The hole just fell in. Gosh it was only about two feet deep, but it caved in. So I marked the spot and left.

45 posted on 06/12/2012 5:18:00 PM PDT by Tupelo (TeaParty member, but no longer a Republican)
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To: marktwain

Guess we are all Walmart to the feds now.


46 posted on 06/12/2012 5:19:11 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Cobra64

I like it! All those shells look like they’ve been shot though. I reload shotgun shells ...


47 posted on 06/12/2012 5:19:37 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

No 10mm is for everyone who didn’t switch to 40 cal just because the FBI did.


48 posted on 06/12/2012 5:21:15 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: marktwain

I guess Holder told the DEA to stop the next shipment to the Cartels and they are trying to turn it into a positive news event for the MSM.


49 posted on 06/12/2012 5:22:03 PM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (We're an Oligrachy...Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: marktwain

I’m with you. Ammo is not illegal. On what grounds did they seize the ammo?


50 posted on 06/12/2012 5:27:55 PM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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