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To: Cronos

Assad is our enemy, and claiming that the alternative is worse is a non-sequitur, not least because they’re all equally bad. There’s no reason to support Assad except that one supports Assad.

Russia is our enemy, has been our enemy, and until Russia stops being our enemy, will remain our enemy.

Iran is our enemy, and there’s no quibble or semantics about it. The Iranian people are not all one thing. The only acceptable outcome in Iran is that those who want out from under the mullahcracy chop off the heads of all the mullahs, demolish every mosque in Iran, and toss all the muzzie scribblings into the paper recycling bins, IOW totally annihilate Islam in Iran. Some Iranians are will oppose that, and so will Syria (the Assad dynasty, or the Muzzie Bro-hood) and the Putin regime in Russia.


79 posted on 06/20/2012 3:58:11 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv; odds; Eleutheria5
There’s no reason to support Assad except that one supports Assad.

you are wrong. supporting Assad makes sense because the alternative is worse.

We should let Assad keep killing his Sunni al-Aeda enemys. Let the moslems kill each other -- you have a problem with that?

I do NOT advocate the US giving weapons or indeed ANYTHING to Assad, but similarly I say we should not give ANYTHING to his opposition. Let's stay out of this. ditto for the Brits and French -- let the Moslems slaughter each other.

I said the same thing about Libya -- the best option would have been to let Ghaddafi keep slaughtering his jihadi foes. He would never have completely won, so his attention would have been away from attacking the West (or Israel) and Al-Qaeda would be tied up trying to get rid of one secular dictator

How can one be so silly not to realize that one of Al-Qaeda's stated aims is removing secular Arab leaders so that they can start up their Caliphate.

84 posted on 06/21/2012 12:15:10 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: SunkenCiv
Russia is our enemy, has been our enemy, and until Russia stops being our enemy, will remain our enemy.

Russia is not our enemy. Don't keep your head stuck in the cold-war. Russia is a rival, it's not a friend, but it's not an enemy either

Our enemies are clearly islam and internal communism (Obama).

85 posted on 06/21/2012 12:17:26 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: SunkenCiv; Cronos; Eleutheria5

Not a matter of semantics, but a fact. Was Iran an enemy (or perceived to be one) during the 50 yrs of the Pahlavi reign?

Since 1979, Islamic Republic of Iran is an enemy because the regime RULING Iran holds an Anti-American, Anti-Western stance, and has conducted many Terrorist activities inside & outside the country.

True, Iranian People are not all one thing. It is unrealistic to expect 100% of the population of any country to be against the regime or ruling gov’t.

But, then, nor are the American People are all one thing, are they?

I’d venture to say that there are many American People (natural born citizens too), who dislike the US - for whatever reasons - take a pro-moslem (Islam), pro-communist/socialist views, and generally are against what they call “American Imperialism”.

Am afraid, the mentioned Americans weren’t educated or trained in Russia or China either, but they were in US universities..

Now, what can be done about that?

Would you suggest that conservative/republican Americans literally kill off all liberals/democrats ? Or, do you think that, realistically & practically, anti-Islam Americans could go ahead demolish mosques & burn the Koran in the US, and annhiliate Islam in the USA, including any Muftis & Mullahs (whether those with radical or moderate views) ? - note that Islam has exponentially increased its presence in the US itself over the last 3 decades.

What I am saying is that your suggestion about what Anti-Mullah Iranian people in Iran should do, at present, is even less realistic than the possibilities & options open to Anti-Socialist & Anti-Islam Americans in the US.

HOWEVER, should there be a real opportunity, I can comfortably say that the chances of many many more Iranian People turning their backs on Islam & Islamic gov’ts (e.g. & incl. current Mullahs’ Regime) in Iran is far greater than any where in the ME, and perhaps even in the US.

I agree with Cronos that:

1) many Iranian People I know, and based on many blogs in Persian & English I read, written by Iranians, as well as what I hear indirectly through others currently in Iran, Iranian people, largely, are either indifferent towards the American People or actually admire the spirit and freedoms they lack in Iran.

However, I also know more than a few Iranian People, who are very critical of the US & certain Western Gov’ts. Why? Well, do you think the “Islamic Republic of Iran” (and yes, it is Islamic Republic of Iran, not Iran), which means the Mullahs’ Regime, could have lasted as long as it has, had it not been for the leniency, complacency & I’d go further and say even support of the successive US & Western govt’s for it ??

2) the same grps of Iranian People mentioned in point 1, do not see Israel as an enemy. In fact most don’t care about Israel or the Palestinians. Some even dislike the Palestinians, because of their experience with the ones who have been raping, arresting and torturing their sons, daughters and/or relatives. Israel & Israelis have done nothing to Iranian People. That fact is recognized very clearly by many Iranian People in Iran. Just as it is recognized that the Islamic Republic Regime is & has using Israel & the US as a political tool, and for its own political purposes.

This is a conflict instigated by and exists between Governments in both countries. American & Iranian people are pawns & meats in the sandwich. As always, on both sides, some hold pro views, others hold anti views..


104 posted on 06/21/2012 11:32:46 PM PDT by odds
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