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Tesla Model S: First drive of the electric sedan that will change the world or die trying
autos.yahoo.com ^ | June 22, 2012 | Justin Hyde

Posted on 06/23/2012 4:39:20 PM PDT by grundle

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To: dragnet2
I think you supporting the terrorist and A-rabs/muslims is a bad thing.


Alinsky tactics are the refuge of liberal scoundrels. Drill domestically. Don't stop domestic companies from drilling in the gulf while allowing the Chinese and South American companies free exploitation of the fields.

If you take an airplane you are still burning fossil fuels. Why not take a train, comrade? Your fellow travelers love to put people on trains.

I love my freedom. Try a touring bike. It's the best way to travel.

101 posted on 06/23/2012 9:46:22 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse
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To: dragnet2

Are you the assshole who refuses to admit new technology eventually replaces old technology and refuses to admit nothing stays the same?
IBTZ . . . someone has no respect for the rules, I see.
Please: NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts.

102 posted on 06/23/2012 9:49:32 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: NavVet

——Electric cars use less energy because electric motors are extremely efficient at converting stored energy into forward motion. Around 90 percent compared to a gasoline engine that may only be around 25 percent efficient.-——

But the electricity is created at oil or coal-burning plants, which are 33% efficient, and then transported over lossy power lines.


103 posted on 06/23/2012 9:50:43 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: Olog-hai

To be fair, I compared him to brain damaged relatives. However, I’m speaking from experience. I’ve got many liberal relatives who sound a lot like him.


104 posted on 06/23/2012 9:52:12 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
Drill domestically.

Yeah, you do that pal. I have no problem with that.

But the fact is, you can love your freedom all you like, but technology is changing, and new technologies are coming on line, weather you like it or not slick.

Nothing stays the same. Big surprise to you, no doubt.

105 posted on 06/23/2012 9:54:45 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; dragnet2
But the electricity is created at oil or coal-burning plants, which are 33% efficient, and then transported over lossy power lines.

Are you suggesting electric cars support “the terrorist and A-rabs/muslims.”

This would make dragnet2 a hypocrite!

OH NOES!!!

106 posted on 06/23/2012 9:58:28 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse
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To: dragnet2

Nothing stays the same. Big surprise to you, no doubt.


Electric car technology hasn’t really changed since the turn of the century. I mean to say, it hasn’t changed since the turn of the PREVIOUS century.

Alright, we’ve got a lot more drainage devices. In the early 1900s, they didn’t have electric windows, MP3 Players and what-not.

For some odd reason, the smart money went with the internal combustion engine. That’s the are smart investors figured they could make profits and gains.

They didn’t have the opportunity to stick their filthy paws in the taxpayers pockets. I guess you have an advantage that they lacked.


108 posted on 06/23/2012 10:03:01 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse
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To: norwaypinesavage

The batteries were said to store 85 KWh, about the same as about 10 cups of gasoline - 2/3 of a gallon.


It’s bad, but not that bad. Gasoline contains 36.6 KWh per gallon. Given that IC engines run at about 25% efficiency, it’s similar to an 8 gallon gas tank. 85 KWh is a very large battery. eg: the Chevy reVolting has 10 KWh usable power.


109 posted on 06/23/2012 10:05:38 PM PDT by Captain Steve
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
For some odd reason, the smart money went with the internal combustion engine.

Well sure, the insiders saw a good thing, they got super rich...They BS'd the A-rabs until they got smart.

The EC engine works great, but things are changing. Ya think people are going to sucking up gasoline to commute to work 300 years from now? Get freaking real.

Technology is changing. Ya better deal with it.

110 posted on 06/23/2012 10:10:24 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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ER..The IC engine works great, but things are changing...

Anyone who denies this has their head deep in A-rab sands.


111 posted on 06/23/2012 10:19:37 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Well sure, the insiders saw a good thing, they got super rich...They BS’d the A-rabs until they got smart


So...according to the infinite wisdom of dragnet2, the Arabs were a force to be reckoned with during the early twentieth century.


112 posted on 06/23/2012 10:21:48 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
Oh stop with your BS.

When fuel rockets to 5 or 6 bucks a gallon or more, and you can bet the rent it will, you can tell me all about it.

113 posted on 06/23/2012 10:25:08 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

When fuel rockets to 5 or 6 bucks a gallon or more, and you can bet the rent it will, you can tell me all about it.


Didn’t Obama promise that energy costs would “skyrocket” under his plan?

What will that do to the cost of electricity? Will coal fired electrical plants fare well under these conditions?

Aren’t you gonna laugh out loud the same way you chuckled over “our” tax dollars going towards criminal invaders?

Do you really get a kick over tax dollars supporting illegals? Do you even pay taxes? What planet are you from?


114 posted on 06/23/2012 10:33:38 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse
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To: 2banana

..............And why are taxpayers subsidizing expensive cars for the wealthy?....................

So that the government can tax away their riches for a net, net, net huge gain!


115 posted on 06/23/2012 10:35:37 PM PDT by Noob1999 (Loose Lips, Sink Ships)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
Didn’t Obama promise that energy costs would “skyrocket” under his plan?

Bush invaded Iraq...Cost ya *trillions*...What did ya win?

You won gas at double+ the price...lol

116 posted on 06/23/2012 10:40:35 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Olog-hai
“I’m still trying to get my head around the description of 7,000 AA-sized lithium ion batteries in this thing.”

The cells actually have twice the volume of a AA-sized battery. I am not sure why the author was not able to get that right; it makes me wonder about the credibility of the rest of the rest of the article.

As a rule of thumb... any time rechargeable batteries are charged at an accelerated rate it shortens their life and a significant amount of electricity will be wasted. The 18650 Lithium Ion cells retail for several dollars a piece in bulk. These batteries are going to be a lot more expensive than the batteries in our current batch of electric cars. Unsubsidized we are talking $20,000 minimum. No one really expects them to last more than two or three years with heavy use. And if you don't use the car much... what is the point of owning one of these super expensive "fuel saving" vehicles?

Unfortunately, despite the hundreds of millions of dollars in government subsidies for this project are largely being wasted. This project would never fly if left on its own. It probably won't fly even with the subsidies. Our country's electrical grid is not capable of supporting a large amount of additional load.

Anyone who thinks that the government should be spending hundreds of millions of dollars on this should also be supporting spending hundreds of millions of dollars on new electrical generation plants and the additional infrastructure that will be needed to keep them on the road. But a trillion here and a trillion there... whose keeping track. Anyone who looks at this thing critically will realize that it is a massive boondoggle.

117 posted on 06/23/2012 10:44:02 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: dragnet2; Admin Moderator

Bush invaded Iraq...Cost ya *trillions*...What did ya win?

You won gas at double+ the price...lol


I never said I supported President Bush’s policies. You argue like a typical liberal.

You keep going “LOL” over everything that harms the United States.

Why does our nation’s potential demise fill you with such obvious glee?


118 posted on 06/23/2012 10:44:44 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

Now ya cry and whine and call the hall monitor?

LOL!


119 posted on 06/23/2012 10:46:22 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2; Admin Moderator; Jim Robinson

Now ya cry and whine and call the hall monitor?


I’m simply letting a responsible adult know that a demented child is running with scissors.

Tell us more about how, in your words, “Bush invaded Iraq...Cost ya *trillions*...What did ya win? You won gas at double+ the price...lol”

That LOL part really slays me. What a “knee slapper.”


120 posted on 06/23/2012 10:51:07 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse
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