Posted on 06/28/2012 1:36:31 PM PDT by stpio
You wrote:
“Your cultist rantings based on the straw man false premise that I am a Protestant despite my explaining that to you numerous times taints your every reply and removes any validity from your posts.”
No. A liberal claiming to be other than a liberal is still a liberal. A Protestant sectarian is still a Protestant sectarian.
“Not being able to communicate with me without that false foundation (cult behavior btw) shows you inability to engage in reasoned debate.”
That’s hilarious. You create straw men and then claim I have an “inability to engage in reasoned debate.”
Acting like a Protestant just proves you’re a Protestant.
The straw is in your court, vladimir.
I see it is easier for you to “communicate” with me if you believe that I am a Protestant.
(In fact you cannot communicate with me at all, only with Protestants! On second thought, I am sure you cannot communicate with them either. That unemcumbered thing that Christains have is difficult for you.)
There is your strawman.
And why there can be no reasoned debate.
Your refusal to deal with the reality of the situation is a very strong trait of a cultist.
But that was established days ago.
I suggest you find some Protestants to harangue, as that is your chosen mission here.
You wrote:
“The straw is in your court, vladimir.”
Nope. It’s all yours.
“I see it is easier for you to “communicate” with me if you believe that I am a Protestant.”
No, I don’t think you see that. If you’re a Protestant, then you’re a Protestant.
“(In fact you cannot communicate with me at all, only with Protestants! On second thought, I am sure you cannot communicate with them either. That unemcumbered thing that Christains have is difficult for you.)”
Avoid the truth all you like, but it will still be the truth.
“There is your strawman.”
Nope. I have none. You have plenty.
“And why there can be no reasoned debate.”
A reasoned debate would necessitate the presence of two people who can reason. A Protestant who denies being one, cannot reason.
“Your refusal to deal with the reality of the situation is a very strong trait of a cultist.”
I am the only one here dealing with the reality of the situation. A Protestant is a Protestant. That is reality.
“But that was established days ago.”
What was established is the reality you deny.
“I suggest you find some Protestants to harangue, as that is your chosen mission here.”
I’m not haranging anyone, but if anyone ever feels the need to harangue a Protestant you fit the bill to a T.
Perhaps you should have looked up straw man:
A fallacy in which an opponent's argument is misrepresented in order to be attackedYour psychosis is showing. Pathological lying is the bedrock of your cult.
It's understandable from a clinical point of view that you believe what you make up.
Backing down into reality is impossible when one is into the depths of psychotic behavior such as that which you exhibit.
Don't even try it, it could be quite detrimental to any hope of recovering your mental health.
Dr. Zoo of the Institute of Phenomonology has some processes that may bring you back to reality.
I'll ping him.
Dr. Zoo, is the fact that Vladimir accepts that he exhibits cultist traits a good sign?
PS vladi, look up harangue also.
You wrote:
“Hmmmm, still in denial.”
Nope. I just see and deal with reality while you avoid it.
“Perhaps you should have looked up straw man:”
I can just look at your posts and see them there.
“Your psychosis is showing. Pathological lying is the bedrock of your cult.”
I have never been in a cult, and I am not lying. I guess this is how far you have to stoop when you can’t make an argument.
“It’s understandable from a clinical point of view that you believe what you make up.”
Except that I never made anything up. I only stated facts.
“Backing down into reality is impossible when one is into the depths of psychotic behavior such as that which you exhibit.”
I’m the only one here who is actually dealing with reality and all the facts are on my side. Why else would you refuse in post after post to even attempt to make an argument? It is clear you can’t make one.
“Don’t even try it, it could be quite detrimental to any hope of recovering your mental health.”
My mental health is just fine. Your grasp of logic, however, is seriously in doubt.
“Dr. Zoo of the Institute of Phenomonology has some processes that may bring you back to reality.”
Maybe he can help you learn how to make ar argument. I doubt it.
“I’ll ping him.”
You do that. While you’re at it make an argument. Try. You’ll fail. But try.
“Dr. Zoo, is the fact that Vladimir accepts that he exhibits cultist traits a good sign?”
Still can’t make an argument, huh? No surprise there.
“PS vladi, look up harangue also.”
P.S. Syncro, learn to make an argument.
You are in denial, and are attacking a straw man that you created.
You are a liar.
Insisting my faith is what you create it to be is a lie.
That is cultist behavior, indicating deep rooted psychotic disorders.
Insisting that I am a Protestant is not a fact.
More denial of truth. You made that up in order to have something to attack as you cannot accept the basic tenants of Christianity because of the mind control and false doctrine that has been infused into your being.
I understand.
Making an argument to your liking isn't possible as your argue from false premises. Staw man arguments aren't worthy of reasoned debate.
A classic trait of addicts and cultist is denial of the fact of their problem.
“Maybe he can help you learn how to make ar argument”
Now you are a pirate?
I have no argument with you, I was only looking for reasoned debate from one person to another.
I view you from what you are, you view me as a member of one of the denominations the members of which you hate because they won't accept the teachings of your cult.
You wrote:
“Putting a false label on someone in order to attack them for being something other than they are is not reality.”
The reality is that you are a Protestant. Pretending otherwise is not reality.
“You are in denial, and are attacking a straw man that you created.”
No, Protestants are Protestant. That is the reality.
“You are a liar.”
You are violating board rules. The Rel. Mod. does not allow anyone to use the word liar in reference to another poster. Also, I am not lying about anything.
“Insisting my faith is what you create it to be is a lie.”
Protestants are Protestant. That is no lie.
“That is cultist behavior, indicating deep rooted psychotic disorders.”
Protestants are Protestant. That is the reality. To deny that reality is bizarre and stupid.
“Insisting that I am a Protestant is not a fact.”
Realistically all you have are the following categories to choose from:
1) Catholic
2) Eastern Orthodox
3) Oriental Orthodox (i.e. non-Chalcedon Orthodox Christian)
4) Protestant
5) Jehovah’s Witness
6) Mormon
7) other pseudo-Christian group or cult
Which one are you? There are no other choices within the entire possibility of “Christian”.
“More denial of truth. You made that up in order to have something to attack as you cannot accept the basic tenants of Christianity because of the mind control and false doctrine that has been infused into your being.”
No false doctrines whatsoever are infused into my being. I have never been taught, nor have I ever believed a false doctrine. I am not a Protestant. Also, there is no mind control by another party. Such paranoid, twilight world delusions on the part of Protestants just prove they are Protestants.
“I understand.”
I doubt that.
“Making an argument to your liking isn’t possible as your argue from false premises.”
To my liking is unimportant. About the matter actually at hand would be nice. I just don’t think you’re capable of it.
“Staw man arguments aren’t worthy of reasoned debate.”
Then don’t make the straw men. I don’t. Protestants are Protestant. That is not a straw man. It is an undeniable truth.
“A classic trait of addicts and cultist is denial of the fact of their problem.”
You’re showing that in spades so why don’t you just admit your problem? Say it with me now: Protestants are Protestant.
“Now you are a pirate?”
Even as a pirate I would be able to make an argument better than you apparently can.
“I have no argument with you, I was only looking for reasoned debate from one person to another.”
But Protestants apparently can’t make an argument so they accuse the person they already lost the debate to of having mental problems, right? That is, after all, exactly what you did.
“I view you from what you are, you view me as a member of one of the denominations the members of which you hate because they won’t accept the teachings of your cult.”
I view you correctly - as a Protestant, a Protestant who can’t make an argument, a Protestant who already lost the debate and so lashes out with silly accusations that someone else is mentally ill. That is exactly what happened here. There’s no denying it. . . but you probably will anyway.
Protestants are still Protestant.
I skimmed over your long post and only read the last sentence
Protestants are Protestants, I am not Protestant, and you are a cultist.
Protestants are Protestant. You are a Protestant. That is the reality.
Liars are Liars. You are a Liar. That is the reality.
You should limit your posts to the Religion Forum.
There you can lie and put Christians in your little boxes and no one can call you a liar.
You wrote:
“Liars are Liars. You are a Liar. That is the reality.”
That is not the reality. I don’t expect you to realize that.
“You should limit your posts to the Religion Forum.”
I should limit my posts to whatever limits I and the boards administrators allow. You have no authority over me and no basis to issue advice of any kind. Is this your true nature coming out?
“There you can lie and put Christians in your little boxes and no one can call you a liar.”
I am not lying. You’re a Protestant. That is the reality.
And this is his (God's) command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.Pretty cool, huh?
I see you are stuck on the lie, but nevertheless I love you.
Part of my nature is when someone gives me authotity over them by posting lies about me, I use it.
I notice you have been chastised by the "board admininistrators" in the past.
You argued and denied, but still your posts were left removed.
I know your attention is on Protestantism on this thread, but you hatred for Jews has been noted also.
Who knows what was in the posts removed, but ones left made it quite clear that you are anti-semetic.
I'm thinking of becoming a Protestant. If you hate them so much, they must be on to something!
You wrote:
“Being a Christian is so simple”
Apparently not for you.
“Pretty cool, huh?”
Cool?
“I see you are stuck on the lie, but nevertheless I love you.”
I don’t think you do.
“Part of my nature is when someone gives me authotity over them by posting lies about me, I use it.”
No, I think you just post things you want to post even if they are not true.
“I notice you have been chastised by the “board admininistrators” in the past.”
Yep.
“You argued and denied, but still your posts were left removed.”
Sometimes, yes. Sometimes, no. In any case I was always honest. Wish I could say the same for you.
“I know your attention is on Protestantism on this thread, but you hatred for Jews has been noted also.”
No, it has not. I have no hatred for Jews. Some people, however, take any critical comment of a Jew, Jews, or Israel as “hatred for Jews”. They do it in much the same way you’re bringing it up now - to taint me (as if that were possible) and avoid any real discussion. You are working so hard to avoid making an actual argument. How pathetic.
“Who knows what was in the posts removed, but ones left made it quite clear that you are anti-semetic.”
Nope. Not even remotely - as Jews here have even attested. But some people are so desperate that they are willing to use anything - much like you are now. Keep looking. Look for the people who called me “anti-Orthodox”, or those who called me “anti-Serbian”, or those who accused me of being anti-Mormon. Hilarious. In other places I have been accused of being a homophobe, anti-Muslim, anti-Canadian, anti-Native American, anti-liberals, anti-black, anti-communist, anti-socialist, anti-women, anti-English, and just to use the other “ante”, antediluvian. Some of those accusations are true. Some are not. None of them make up for your inability to make an argument or your failure to be honest.
“I’m thinking of becoming a Protestant. If you hate them so much, they must be on to something!”
I don’t hate Protestants. I have, however, noticed their all too common problem with being honest. Clearly you already are a Protestant.
Honest LOL!
You are a liar and an antagonist.
Your understanding of Christianity is convoluted.
You seem to hate Christianity.
Accepting it for simply what it is would do you a world of good.
Work on your ego, and maybe you can attain simple Christianity.
You wrote:
“Honest LOL!”
Laughing at honesty is about as close as you’ll get to it apparently.
“You are a liar and an antagonist.”
Oh, I’m sure I’m an antagonist to someone who lies.
“Your understanding of Christianity is convoluted.”
Nope. My understanding of Christianity is very clear and correct.
“You seem to hate Christianity.”
You seem to be desperate. Thrown in the kitchen sink too. You might as well since your claims have no basis in reality.
“Accepting it for simply what it is would do you a world of good.”
I accepted Christ and Christianity long ago. That fact won’t stop you from claiming otherwise since you seem to hold no truck with the truth.
“Work on your ego, and maybe you can attain simple Christianity.”
Coming from someone who can’t even admit his own Protestantism, that’s hilarious.
Oh, then you are a Protestant.
But I don't think they ‘accept’ Christ.
If that works for you and them, well OK.
Christians enter into a personal relationship with Jesus.
That's what defines a Christian. Period.
Jesus is a lot more than acceptable.
Christians don't have to be “accepted” by a sect, neither Rome, Catholicism or Protestantism.
God's true Church is the totality of all Christians.
No buildings, vestments etc necessary.
It's a glorious reality!
Once you become a Christian, then it is time to gather together with others to worship God and fellowship.
Buildings work fine for that.
Oh PS, I don't really read your posts completely as they are just the same lies and pompous prouncements over and over again.
But this is fun to engage in when I am bored.
You wrote:
“Oh, then you are a Protestant.”
Nope.
“But I don’t think they ‘accept’ Christ.”
As much as they know how which means not as much as can be done.
“If that works for you and them, well OK.”
It isn’t the same. A Protestant, being by nature an indifferentist, might equate them, however.
“Christians enter into a personal relationship with Jesus.”
That’s part of it, but that is also a largely modern and modernistic concept that not even Protestants espoused in such language more than 200 years ago.
“That’s what defines a Christian. Period.”
No, not really. The relationship itself has to be defined. What if someone enters in a relationship with Jesus as a prophet, but not as a Savior, or as a savior but not as the Son of God?
“Jesus is a lot more than acceptable.”
But claiming to not be a Protestant when you are one isn’t.
“Christians don’t have to be “accepted” by a sect, neither Rome, Catholicism or Protestantism.”
Rome is a city, not a sect. Catholicism can never be a sect. It is the Church and her teachings. Protestantism is a body of sects. The Church was founded and sent by God and is necessary.
“God’s true Church is the totality of all Christians.”
No. First, you have the problem of so-called Christians who do not really believe in Jesus as Christians must: Mormons are an obvious example. Oneness Pentecostals are another example. Then you have the problem of sects in general. Christ never said nor taught that all people claiming to be His followers were part of the Church. Look at Matthew 7:21 for instance.
“No buildings, vestments etc necessary.”
Is that an attempt at posting a complete thought?
“It’s a glorious reality!”
Christianity emptied of the Church is not a glorious reality. It is a Protestant fiction.
“Once you become a Christian, then it is time to gather together with others to worship God and fellowship.”
No. One cannot be a full Christian without the Church. The Church is not just about a way of worship or fellowship. The Church is the Bride of Christ.
“Buildings work fine for that.”
Buildings?
“Oh PS, I don’t really read your posts completely as they are just the same lies and pompous prouncements over and over again.”
I already knew you didn’t read the posts all the way through. You’re a Protestant. That’s typical. Remember, as I have said all along, you can’t make an argument.
“But this is fun to engage in when I am bored.”
Not as much fun as watching you fail repeatedly at making an argument.
"Christians enter into a personal relationship with Jesus."*sigh*That’s part of it, but that is also a largely modern and modernistic concept that not even Protestants espoused in such language more than 200 years ago. [Vladi, Christians "espoused" that ever since Jesus started His ministry on earth. The language doesn't matter, it's the same in all languages. What happened later only matters to you so you can argue with me]
It's intellectualizing like that which can block the wonderful "saved" personal relationship with Jesus.
It far too simple to understand for those that are educated past their ability to allow themselves to enter into the spiritual reality called Christianity.
LOL, it was defined by Jesus 2000 yrs ago.“Christians enter into a personal relationship with Jesus.”
“That's what defines a Christian. Period.”
No, not really. The relationship itself has to be defined. What if someone... etc etc extraneous wordplay to block that relationship with Jesus.
Those ready for that relationship just simply take Jesus at his word and enter into everlasting life.
Relying too much on man and his institutions can hinder one's spiritual life.
You wrote:
“Vladi, Christians “espoused” that ever since Jesus started His ministry on earth.”
Not really. It largely dates back only to John Wesley. And even then it was different.
“The language doesn’t matter, it’s the same in all languages.”
Again, not so. How redemption and salvation were understood by ancient people in the Near East was remarkably different than what modern Evangelicals believe.
“What happened later only matters to you so you can argue with me.”
Nope. The truth matters always - except to those who don’t care about the truth in the first place.
“It’s intellectualizing like that which can block the wonderful “saved” personal relationship with Jesus.”
Nope. Knowing the truth in no way harms anyone’s relationship with God. It can only help.
“It far too simple to understand for those that are educated past their ability to allow themselves to enter into the spiritual reality called Christianity.”
No, the Protestant view is just Protestant. It is not the original gospel, it is not Biblical, it is not historical, and it leaves out much about Christ.
“etc etc extraneous wordplay to block that relationship with Jesus.”
Truth doesn’t block any relationship with God. And only those who want to ignore the truth would call it “extraneous wordplay” - typical Protestant ignorance.
“LOL, it was defined by Jesus 2000 yrs ago.”
Not as Protestants like yourself define it today.
“Those ready for that relationship just simply take Jesus at his word and enter into everlasting life.”
Protestants don’t do that. Protestants use a modernistic gospel which leaves out much about Christ: His words, His actions, His teachings, His Church.
“Relying too much on man and his institutions can hinder one’s spiritual life.”
Relying too much on Protestantism will leave a man with a stunted, warped view of Jesus, His Church, and salvation.
That will do a lot more to “hinder one’s spiritual life” than any amount of the truth.
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