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1 posted on 06/28/2012 2:38:00 PM PDT by Hojczyk
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I think this guy has to much hope....but with out hope what???


2 posted on 06/28/2012 2:39:30 PM PDT by Hojczyk
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Ha! Ha!...and all those Conservatives thought I would walk the line...
3 posted on 06/28/2012 2:41:58 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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Why was Obamacare pushed forward so early in his presidency? I’ll tell you why. The feds have had 2 1/2 years to begin implementing it. The underlying foundation is there, and it’s too late to undo it. That’s what they were counting on.

As soon as it was passed, a friend of mine whose family owns one of the biggest companies in the state said their HR people were called in to a meeting within a week of the bill’s passage and given instructions for its initial implementation.


5 posted on 06/28/2012 2:44:48 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie
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I'm sitting here on the couch and need to use the can. I know, I'll take a flight to Holland. That way I can fly back and then use the can. Brilliant.

6 posted on 06/28/2012 2:45:16 PM PDT by I see my hands (As Islamists perpetrated 9/11 so SCOTUS perpetrated 6/28)
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Here’s the flaw in the Roberts-cut-down-the-Commerce-Clause meme - it is entirely dependant on other judges interpreting the law that way. Liberal judges won’t. One thing can be said for lib judges, the left can always count on their vote no matter what. Too bad we can’t say the same thing about our so-called conservative judges.


7 posted on 06/28/2012 2:45:38 PM PDT by Lou Budvis
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I don’t exactly follow this.

He says that doctrinally conservatives got a restriction on the commerce clause.

But they would have gotten that as well if he had just sided with the 4 good guys/dissenters, and wrote a strong opinion.


9 posted on 06/28/2012 2:46:15 PM PDT by ConservativeDude
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This will be a long, hot summer. There are new unemployment numbers due next week. This decision only adds more depression to unemployment. Who will be left to pay for this trillion dollar Obamination?

The cloak of fraud that allowed this monstrosity to be concealed under Interstate Commerce is stripped away. It is now the most gigantic tax increase and government rule that has been hoisted on the public, ever.

The liberals forced this through under a cloud of Hopey Changey, Stimulus, Bailouts and all the liberal crap that added $5T to the debt. Meanwhile we have more people out of work than before this disaster passed. If we can’t turn this into an electoral repeat of 2010 and take the presidency, nothing will get us out of it. Time to fight - that is the result of this decision!


10 posted on 06/28/2012 2:46:57 PM PDT by untwist
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It’s over, they won, we lost. People can’t face reality so they are trying to spin this as some kind of “win” for us....there is no “win” here.


11 posted on 06/28/2012 2:47:12 PM PDT by dfwgator
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based upon what i have read, the sledgehammer that the libs have been using against us since rooselvelt has been reduced to a one ounce nail tack..

they can no longer use the commerce clause, or that other feel good clause to ramrod their agenda through,,

they will have to spell it out clearly, and we all know libs are deathly afraid of the light..

roberts got it right with arizona..

it would appear he just struck a death blow to the libs...

I will be reading the entire ruling tonight, but based upon the first 4 pages, constitutionalists win, socialists and libs lose, BIG TIME


13 posted on 06/28/2012 2:49:25 PM PDT by joe fonebone (I am the 15%)
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From what I understand ( and that aint much), the bill says “Penalties”, now Roberts says it can’t be a “Penalty”, but it can be a “Tax”. Does the bill have to be corrected and voted on once more?, and if not why not ?
And isn’t there some special procedures a “tax” bill has to under go??????
Your humble Freeper


17 posted on 06/28/2012 2:54:20 PM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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Five justices just signaled to lower courts that, but for the unique taxation power argument, they were prepared to rule that a major act of Congress that plainly touched upon economic activity exceeded Congress’ commerce powers

Five Just-uses have signaled that the federal government can impose anything it wants on American citizens and use it "taxing power" to turn us all into serfs.

He also, has created a new definition of what a tax is- which used to be solely for revenue raising. This definition will be used widely and wildly by the left to impose it will on Americans and the lower courts will ratify the left by pointing to this decision.

Roberts fate is sealed forever. No matter how many times he nominally votes conservative in the future, this insidious treachery will define him forever.

20 posted on 06/28/2012 2:57:04 PM PDT by CharacterCounts (A vote for the lesser of two evils only insures the triumph of evil.)
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What Roberts facilitated...

Contempt for the SCOTUS
Assurance that some form of government health care is assured
Businesses will dump employee insurance en mass
The populace will mistakenly think it’s okay for the government to be a nanny cradle to grave
The impression that Republicans who oppose government health care are evil

I’m sure I missed a number of other issues, but this is good for starters.

Roberts has no idea how badly this screwed our nation over


25 posted on 06/28/2012 3:03:01 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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I’m just glad they used the word TAX. It has opened some eyes of some people who thought it was free....


29 posted on 06/28/2012 3:06:53 PM PDT by Fawn (DEAR JESUS....PLEASE LET OBAMA LOSE.....AMEN.)
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In 1803, the chief justice of the United States had a problem. His hated cousin, Thomas Jefferson, had won the last presidential election. But the outgoing Federalists opted not go gentle into that good night. The one branch of government they controlled was the judiciary, and they meant to keep it. They had passed the Judiciary Act of 1801, which allowed for several new judicial appointments.

President Adams did a remarkable job filling the appointments and getting them hastily confirmed. The so-called “Midnight Judges” by and large received their commissions. But not all of them did. Incoming President Jefferson then instructed his secretary of state not to deliver the remaining ones.

Unsurprisingly, litigation ensued. One of those who was to receive a commission, William Marbury, filed a petition directly in the Supreme Court under a provision of the Judiciary Act of 1789. He requested a writ ordering the secretary of state to deliver his commission.

But Chief Justice John Marshall was a staunch Federalist. The republic was young, the court’s legitimacy fragile, and the ability of the nation to endure the peaceful transfer of power between parties uncertain. It was also unclear how Marshall’s ordering the newly installed Jeffersonian Republican secretary of state to do something would go over.

So the chief justice did something very clever. He found that Marbury was entitled to his commission, bestowing legitimacy on those Midnight Judges who had received theirs. But he didn't stop there -- to Marbury's detriment. He then ruled that the Constitution only gave the court so-called “original jurisdiction” over a small number of cases. The provision of the Judiciary Act of 1789 bestowing the court with original jurisdiction over writs of the type Marbury sought was therefore unconstitutional.

Jefferson had won, nominally. Madison didn’t have to deliver the commission, Marbury didn’t refile in the lower courts, and he never became a justice of the peace. But history remembers the case as a huge, perhaps decisive, blow against those Jeffersonians who viewed the Constitution as nothing more than a glorified Articles of Confederation.


32 posted on 06/28/2012 3:08:24 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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More turd polishing.


34 posted on 06/28/2012 3:10:19 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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This is on the copyright list.

Read the rest of page 1, page 2 and page 3 here.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/06/28/the_chief_justices_gambit_114646.html


36 posted on 06/28/2012 3:13:55 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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This is flaming nonsense. The power to tax as defined in this decision is the power to destroy. Rush Limbaugh has it right - see here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2900617/posts

37 posted on 06/28/2012 3:16:13 PM PDT by Thud
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‘What a load of crap!

It’s ‘Robertscare’ now. He bought it. He owns it.


53 posted on 06/28/2012 4:05:23 PM PDT by citizen (Obomo blames:Arab Spring,Banks,Big Oil,Bush,Ceos,Coal,Euro Zone,FNC,Jpn Tsunami,T Party,Wall St,You)
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3. The chief justice has built up some political capital.
Roberts has basically done what John Marshall did: Insulate the court from criticism of bald partisan bias and infidelity to, as he once put it, calling balls and strikes. He’s earning plaudits from the left.

If they are appointed for life and they are an equal branch of government, then why is political capitol and trade-offs, and political positioning so important?

56 posted on 06/28/2012 4:09:03 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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I expected spin from the democrats. Didn’t see they cyclone of spin from the right coming.


57 posted on 06/28/2012 4:14:23 PM PDT by DManA
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