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Obama now leads Romney by 11 among independents in new CNN and Fox News polls
Hotair ^ | 08/10/2012 | AllahPundit

Posted on 08/10/2012 7:22:49 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Don't focus on the topline numbers since it's hard to gauge how reliable they are. The Fox poll has O leading 49/40 based on a sample of D+9; last month he led 45/41 with a sample of just D+4. As for CNN, they've got Obama up 52/45 but provide no partisan breakdown with which to judge the sample.

What to do, then? Let's focus on the indies. CNN:

The margin of error increases for a subsample, as you can see, but that's a lot of cushion for the Unicorn Prince. No mystery where it's coming from, either: According to CNN, 52 percent of indies have an unfavorable view of Romney now compared to just 40 percent who had one in May. Fox sees a similar overall margin:

Lots of undecideds there, obviously, but the trendlines in Romney's favorables aren’t encouraging after a solid month of Bain-mania. CNN's and Fox's numbers, respectively:

Amazingly, The One's not paying much of a price yet for negativity. When asked if Romney has attacked Obama unfairly, the response is 44/50 between "has" and "has not." Obama's numbers are almost identical at 45/49, suggesting that perceptions on this question are still breaking along predictable party lines. Maybe that’ll change in the next week or two; this poll was conducted over the last few days, before the sleaze-tastic steelworker ad really started buzzing.

I don’t like the looks of either of these numbers, though:

Of the last four elections, only Clinton in 1996 had more lopsided numbers on that last question. (On the other hand, by a margin of 52/37, voters expected Gore to defeat Bush as of mid-September 2000.) Here’s the key question: Given that Romney and the constellation of conservative Super PACs have yet to really unload on O, there’s obviously going to be some movement in his numbers down the line just as there’s been movement in Romney’s numbers now after the Bain attacks. But how much? The two sides aren’t similarly situated; Romney’s an unknown quantity for most while Obama’s been the most famous man on the planet for four years. Not only does that make it harder for the GOP to define him than it was for him to define Mitt, but it gives O a much simpler task with regard to the shrinking pool of undecideds. Those people are already wary of reelecting him (that’s why they’re undecided), so they’re essentially Romney persuadables. Romney needs to persuade them, but all Obama needs to do is keep Romney on the defensive and keep the campaign dumb and nasty so that those persuadables stop caring and stay home. It’s incredibly cynical but it’s his best bet. If you believe these two polls, it’s working okay so far.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cnn; foxnews; obama; poll; rinoromney; romney; romney4romney; weakromney
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1 posted on 08/10/2012 7:23:01 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

America is like a woman who has been battered by a mean husband. She keeps giving in to the promises that things will CHANGE.


2 posted on 08/10/2012 7:25:23 AM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: SeekAndFind

Americans probably feel that if Romney cannot fight for himself in a campaign against Obama then how could he as President be able to fight for us Americans and our economy against the democrats?


3 posted on 08/10/2012 7:26:17 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: SeekAndFind

#8 is very scary.


4 posted on 08/10/2012 7:26:17 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Attention Republican National Convention voters....Santorum/Bachmann 2012! Dump liberal Romney NOW!)
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To: SeekAndFind

5 posted on 08/10/2012 7:26:59 AM PDT by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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To: SeekAndFind

I was actually polled on Tuesday evening.

I LIED ..........

Mainly because I want Obozo to keep on doing what he has been doing, that is keep on with the Left wing socialism rhetoric to keep his base fired up .......or at least awake........


6 posted on 08/10/2012 7:27:18 AM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: SeekAndFind

7 posted on 08/10/2012 7:30:05 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: Red Badger

Who were you polled by?


8 posted on 08/10/2012 7:30:15 AM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Romney is just a lousy candidate but it’s what the RINOs wanted. Hope they’re happy.


9 posted on 08/10/2012 7:31:12 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: SeekAndFind

On the other hand, by a margin of 52/37, voters expected Gore to defeat Bush as of mid-September 2000.)


Because conservatives don’t answer the phone or stop for surveys. We do vote.


10 posted on 08/10/2012 7:32:15 AM PDT by barmag25
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To: SeekAndFind

When Romney had the GOP nomination pinned down, many FReepers predicted that the election would be Obama’s to lose. Well, the predictions were accurate. It’s Bob Dole time in America . . . again.


11 posted on 08/10/2012 7:32:19 AM PDT by madprof98
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To: napscoordinator

These were polls of registered voters not likely voters


12 posted on 08/10/2012 7:33:09 AM PDT by aheckle
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To: Red Badger
I LIED ..........

Mainly because I want Obozo to keep on doing what he has been doing, that is keep on with the Left wing socialism rhetoric to keep his base fired up .......or at least awake........

Makes sense from my standpoint but we stand from a different standpoint than most who are polled. You are politically engaged, more or less an activist at some point (posting and commenting in political forums is a form of activism).

At some point the BIG donors put their money where the polls point. A double edged sword. :)

You would be surprised how many Americans that are polled still make it a point to turn on cBS news at 6:30pm to get the stories of the day and take it as 100% truth.

By the way, I have a question for you. You said you got polled. I'm curious to know, did they call you on your cell phone or a landline?

13 posted on 08/10/2012 7:34:16 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: SeekAndFind

meanwhile for the second day in a row Rasmussen has Romney beating Obama 47% to 43%....


14 posted on 08/10/2012 7:36:31 AM PDT by Lib-Lickers 2
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To: SeekAndFind
If America is stupid enough to put this puke back in the Kremlin for another four years, then prepare yourselves folks for total Marxism. Get your goods while you can. Stock up on items that are going to be scarce in his next campaign to destroy the Republic as founded. Stock up now while you still have time. Buy that extra gun from some person, not an agency that will make you log it with the government so that when they come for them, you will at least have something to protect yourself and your family with after the Fuhrer takes them up. VERY VERY dangerous times ahead for this nation. But, we have had our chances. We the people just continue to blow them. God is judging this nation right now. Floods, severe drought are main elements that God uses to get a nation's attention when He calls them to repentance. We have been warned.
15 posted on 08/10/2012 7:37:11 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (If you cannot read the sign of the times, I suggest you read the Scriptures. They are CLEAR!)
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To: madprof98
Obama hasn't even touched on Romney's flip flops and the videos like when he ran to the left of Ted Kennedy. I figured that would be the tipping point.

Some pundits are now claiming Romney has seen his peak already.

16 posted on 08/10/2012 7:37:21 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: barmag25

Yeah, but are we going to vote for Mitt Romney. (Disclaimer - unless he complete bolluxes it up, I am, but just to vote against Obama.)


17 posted on 08/10/2012 7:38:10 AM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Red Badger

I received a poll call the other day. One of the first questions was, “Do you have a political blog, or do you participate on political blogs or forums?” I answered yes.

“Thank you!” :::click:::


18 posted on 08/10/2012 7:38:26 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Time for a write-in campaign...Darryl Dixon for President)
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To: barmag25

the media also thought Kerry was going to also beat Bush


19 posted on 08/10/2012 7:39:15 AM PDT by coconut47
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To: SeekAndFind
Polls that over sample D's (by as much as +19) have been reported as accurate. Just for kicks and giggles, I'd love to see the results from polls that over sample R's by a like amount. The resulting screams and howls from the rats would be loud enough to damage hearing.
20 posted on 08/10/2012 7:39:47 AM PDT by JPG (Mount your steeds. Nov '12 is for all the marbles.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

“Romney is just a lousy candidate but it’s what the RINOs wanted. Hope they’re happy.”

They are. Their real target has been destroyed - a conservative resurgence.


21 posted on 08/10/2012 7:41:36 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: Lib-Lickers 2

RE: meanwhile for the second day in a row Rasmussen has Romney beating Obama 47% to 43%....

So, who to believe, Rasmussen or CNN/Fox News? and why?


22 posted on 08/10/2012 7:43:06 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (bOTRT)
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To: Little Ray

I will be voting against Obama as well.


23 posted on 08/10/2012 7:43:11 AM PDT by barmag25
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To: SeekAndFind

Conservatives have caller ID. I see calls all the time from “pollsters” but I don’t answer. Liberals are lonely and will talk to anyone who will hear their opinion.


24 posted on 08/10/2012 7:43:28 AM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: SeekAndFind

LOL! Whatever. Why don’t they just claim Obama is leading in every category, ESPECIALLY the Tea Party, by eleventy-skadillion percent?


25 posted on 08/10/2012 7:43:28 AM PDT by Lazamataz (I love the Universe, and it loves me.)
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26 posted on 08/10/2012 7:44:15 AM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93destr)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Kenyan will lose in a landslide.


27 posted on 08/10/2012 7:47:46 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

RE: The Kenyan will lose in a landslide.

I’d like to learn your reasons for believing that...


28 posted on 08/10/2012 7:48:41 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (bOTRT)
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To: tsowellfan; CaptainK

Twas polled on ye old landline.

It was an automated polling. Recorded questions, then press 1, 2, etc.

These were the questions:

1. Republican, Democrat, Independent or Other
2. Male, Female, Transgendered, etc.
3. Approve/Disapprove of B.O. job as POTUS
4. Did you vote in 2008?
5. Are you gonna vote in November?
6. Obama, Romney, Other, undecided
7. Lean toward Obama, Romney, neither
8. Age group 18-25,26-35,36-49, etc.....

They identified the polling group, but I didn’t recognize the name, figured it was a cover anyway............


29 posted on 08/10/2012 7:49:14 AM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: SeekAndFind

Rasmussen polls likely voters. These polls were registered voters


30 posted on 08/10/2012 7:50:49 AM PDT by aheckle
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To: JPG

this was predicted..... the polls would magically start getting better for this guy...

I find this very hard to believe. What exactly has changed? Romney’s tax returns ? come on...

I am demoralized , but I have been for some time. With 1 out of every 3 people in this country on the public dole, it’s hard not to be..

Watching Ken Burns The WAR (WWII) again, the last couple of days, reminded me how far we have fallen and how fat and lazy 1/2 of Americans are.

I’ll vote, but I’m plenty tired of 1/2 of the people in this country... Honestly, I don’t want to be around them, and I have stopped engaging in conversation with them about these matters. Why? Because we don’t even agree on truth and the sky being blue... Without truth and an agreement on facts, it’s impossible.

Day after day, I read on Facebook how happy my FB friends are with their “free” healthcare... And this damn law hasn’t even truly kicked in yet.. Starting in 2014, healthcare in the cities will be a complete mess, with lines at doctors office of 1 to 2 hours and waiting for appts for 6 months... Me and Mr illegal Jose, will be on the same footing.. equals, in regards to this....He gets his freebie, and I have worked hard to maintain my crappy job in order to have healthcare.

arrhhh!!!!!

we are Sweden, Greece... France...


31 posted on 08/10/2012 7:51:51 AM PDT by Chuzzlewit
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To: CatherineofAragon

My wife just hangs up. Being in a swing state, Florida, we get polled more often than others. Sometimes multiple times a day.............


32 posted on 08/10/2012 7:51:51 AM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: Red Badger

I meant which pollster polled you?


33 posted on 08/10/2012 7:53:12 AM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: SeekAndFind
FoxNews has Obama up by 9. But their poll sampled a ridiculous D+9

CNN declined to give a D/R breakdown.

So why are we even discussing these?

34 posted on 08/10/2012 7:53:49 AM PDT by montag813
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To: SeekAndFind

Americans are a bit mushminded if they are swayed by the barrage of negative Obama ads.

Romney can’t spend money he’s raised for his campaign because he isn’t the official nominee yet, so he’s being outspent something like 3 to 1 by Obama. After the convention, Romney may have the money advantage.

Romney’s only defensive publicity is money spent by the Republican PACs. Now we see why Obama was so upset by the recent SC decision. If they were cut off, he’d have had a couple of extra months of nearly 100% negative coverage to smear Romney so badly it would be nearly impossible to recover, regardless of his actual campaign.


35 posted on 08/10/2012 7:54:51 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: SeekAndFind

Independents—mush headed fools

Unfortunately the election depends on who best can appeal to these idiots

And when the disaster strikes these boobs will have no idea what caused it


36 posted on 08/10/2012 7:56:34 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: Little Ray

I think this election is a bellwether. It will indicate if, I think it was William F. Buckley, said in reference to the USSR, but socialism in general (and I paraphrase);

-The free nations will stumble and trip making mistakes, but getting up and brushing themselves off and pressing on, but Socialism/Marxism, when it falls, it falls and fails completely, decisively and absolutely.

Either we will brush off this mistake (Obama), hopefully learning from it, or we will continue down to failure and collapse.


37 posted on 08/10/2012 7:57:19 AM PDT by Wildbill22
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To: SeekAndFind
FoxNews Jul: Obama by 4, Democrats sampled +4
FoxNews Aug: Obama by 9, Democrats sampled +9

You get what you sample. Most Americans like dogs.
But if I sampled a poll +9 Cats over Humans, that would probably not be the poll result. This is so colossally stupid I cannot even fathom it.

38 posted on 08/10/2012 7:57:19 AM PDT by montag813
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To: CaptainK

I don’t remember the name, it didn’t ring a bell at the time. It was at the very end of the questions, and went by very fast like the disclaimers they read on television commercials.......


39 posted on 08/10/2012 7:59:07 AM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: madprof98

I have long said that the very moment that Romney becomes the nominee, Obama wins another 4 years.

I want to be wrong, not because I like Romney—I can’t stand him, but because I hate Obama’s guts.

I would have voted for Newt Gingrich.


40 posted on 08/10/2012 7:59:31 AM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: Gator113
I want to be wrong, not because I like Romney—I can’t stand him, but because I hate Obama’s guts.

LOL I think that's a perfect summary of the election for most Rep/Conservative voters.

41 posted on 08/10/2012 8:03:28 AM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: SeekAndFind

RINO McCAIN: "You have nothing to worry about.
Just pocket all the money, Mitt.
You could not even beat me, and YOU have
RomneyCARE as an albatross around your neck."

42 posted on 08/10/2012 8:06:33 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: montag813; Admin Moderator; Sidebar Moderator; Jim Robinson
CNN declined to give a D/R breakdown.

From this point forward, if any polling group refuses to give their internals, the poll should be unceremoniously zotted from Free Republic. This is tantamount to pure lying.

43 posted on 08/10/2012 8:07:44 AM PDT by Lazamataz (I love the Universe, and it loves me.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

For what it’s worth, I tend to agree with you.


44 posted on 08/10/2012 8:13:47 AM PDT by FryingPan101 (Laugh a little.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Polls mean nothing, IMO. Either -

1. They are skewed by a corrupt media, usually by sampling errors, either along party representation, or registered vs likely voters, or inherent refusal of Conservatives to participate in polls, or outright corrupt fabrication etc.

2. The election will be stolen anyway through voter fraud and law suits and such. The polls may even be skewed purposefully to act as preemptive cover for the corrupt election results.

3. If #1 or #2 look unlikely to produce the desired victory, Obama will make sure there either is no election or there is no peaceful transition of power. Who would stop him? People of Obama’s ilk do not relinquish power willingly. Ain’t gonna happen.


45 posted on 08/10/2012 8:14:06 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: rovenstinez
that should be half of America is like a woman who has been battered by a mean husband. She keeps giving in to the promises that things will CHANGE.

The thing i don't understand is after over 200 years of Freedom and Fighting for Freedom why anyone with a modicum of common sense would want to be a slave to the state or the Fed this POS has created the conditions for the perfect righting of the ship so to speak and yet it's citizens sit on their hands and wait for a handout like Oliver waits on a beating it just makes no damn sense .....

46 posted on 08/10/2012 8:16:18 AM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (Any man may make a mistake ; none but a fool will persist in it . { Latin proverb })
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To: coconut47

the media also thought Kerry was going to also beat Bush

It’s what they HOPE will happen...the loony left and their whack agenda will be defeated again.


47 posted on 08/10/2012 8:16:38 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: uncbob
And when the disaster strikes these (mindless independumb) boobs will have no idea THEY caused it!!!
48 posted on 08/10/2012 8:16:44 AM PDT by Mygirlsmom (Whaddaya mean I didn't build this tagline????)
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To: SeekAndFind; All

Good!!! Maybe this will get Romney and his staff off their ass, get up and take the gloves off. Newt Gingrich would have been b**ch slapping Obama by now.


49 posted on 08/10/2012 8:17:10 AM PDT by pistolpackinpapa (Why is it that you never see any Obama bumper stickers on cars going to work in the mornings?)
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To: SeekAndFind

IF IT AIN’T RASMUSSEN IT AIN’T A POLL


50 posted on 08/10/2012 8:17:13 AM PDT by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now and in the future)
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