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Indonesia set to leave Islam in about two decades
ffi.org ^ | 7/23/2012 | FFI Editor

Posted on 08/19/2012 11:45:42 AM PDT by BenLurkin

Every year, about two million Indonesians leave Islam for Christianity. Other Indonesians leave Islam and adopt other religions or become agnostics or atheists.

This trend is likely to continue in Indonesia, and all across the Islamic world. I do believe many of the larger Islamic countries will “officially” leave Islam by 2030. Islam is a barbaric religion that imposes its will on the individual. People may take that for a while. Then rebellion comes. Then revolutions that dig out the stump of the tree of Islam from its roots, and cut that stump into minute pieces. It will never see life again. I see that already happening in our days in Iran as well as Indonesia.

Because of that, Muslims try to create entities to postpone Islam’s death. Those ignoramouses do not know what is good for them. One such group is in Indonesia. They are known, at least for now, by the name “Save Maryam”. Make no mistake, this is an evil group that seeks to force Islam on everyone’s throat. The video below is supposedly one of theirs


TOPICS: War on Terror
KEYWORDS: indonesia; maryam; save; savemaryam

1 posted on 08/19/2012 11:45:50 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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The “Save Maryam” video is at the link.


2 posted on 08/19/2012 11:46:43 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: BenLurkin
I do believe many of the larger Islamic countries will “officially” leave Islam by 2030.

But Egypt has moved closer to Islam, not away from it.

3 posted on 08/19/2012 11:55:47 AM PDT by libertylover (The problem with Obama is not that his skin is too black, it's that his ideas are too RED.)
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To: BenLurkin

WHUUUUT???!?

Neat.

One thing I always noticed.... there were no Muslims in Star Trek, praise Allah. lol


4 posted on 08/19/2012 12:02:20 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I love the Universe, and it loves me.)
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To: Lazamataz
Yeah, but on Star Trek there aren't any Christians either, only multiculturalist secular humanists (what's "the Prime Directive" but non-judgmental multiculturalism writ large?).

Of course other science fiction offers a more cheerful future: Niven and Pournelle's The Mote in God's Eye offers a future in which mankind has reorganized itself into a revival of the Christian Roman Empire.

5 posted on 08/19/2012 12:11:37 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: BenLurkin

I don’t believe this article for a second. Spain has a better chance of becoming predominantly zoroastrian in the same time period.


6 posted on 08/19/2012 12:14:44 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: BenLurkin
"This trend is likely to continue in Indonesia, and all across the Islamic world."

Trends can change in a heartbeat. I wish I shared your optimism, but I've watched the people in Iran, Egypt and Afghanistan cheer while they closed their minds and voluntarily stuck their own necks into the noose of radical islam. I believe we are headed towards a very bloody denouement between the forces of radical islam and what's left of Western civilization.

7 posted on 08/19/2012 12:23:24 PM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: All

Isn’t going to happen. They kill everyone, before they let go of Indonesia. You’ll know when they think things are critical thee, because you’ll see a HUGE influx of foreign jihaids flood the country.


8 posted on 08/19/2012 12:24:29 PM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: The_Reader_David

“Bread And Circuses” certainly had a Christian theme.


9 posted on 08/19/2012 12:26:36 PM PDT by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: Flag_This; SpaceBar
It's not MY optimism. I agree with the comment about Spain.

Point is that there is an organized movement to defame Christan's in Indonesia under the guise of “Save Maryam”. Very disgusting stuff, IMO.

10 posted on 08/19/2012 12:27:38 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Flag_This

Makes me kinda wonder if the next war will me Moslems attacking Mexicans, who prefer to follow the ideology of Azlatin (sp?)

The US southwest, all of Ca, most of southern Nevada and possibly AZ and Nm will be given to Mexico.

The Reqonquista may be more fact than fiction (Matthew Bracken)


11 posted on 08/19/2012 12:29:06 PM PDT by Eye of Unk (Vote for Sarah Palin, she is the cure to the disease and infection of socialism.)
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To: BenLurkin

It never made sense to me why islam, an insane arab desert death cult, took hold in south east asia. I dunno if they’ll really leave but I hope so. To anything else.


12 posted on 08/19/2012 12:36:58 PM PDT by Monty22002
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To: BenLurkin
Saya mau- terimah kasih

gelak gelak gelak I doubt it- I think these so-called "converts" are not in apostasy from islam; just that they never really picked it up which I seriously doubt...

or best possibility is that they are 5th columnists.

Ask any Christian Indo emigrant who fled the church burnings and bombings, rapes and killing by moslems in Indonesia now living in the USA: they will tell you it`s all BS.

Some muslims supposedly "convert", then emigrate to USA only to spy on the churches here and report back home so the govt and groups can harrass their families.

I was witness to so-called "converts" in a Indo Cathloic church in California and EVERYONE in the congregation knew that they were SPIES because they always were going back and forth to the Indo consulate in San Francisco and LA

The only true converts are the ones whose familiies have been in Indo for over 400 yeas.

My Indo friends tell me "They are making fun of Catholics-They are laughing at us by doing this! Hajetawa tawaken." gelak gelak gelak-One said to me just now, "I don`t believe it! I have never seen any moslem convert to Christianity in 60 years since I am living here in Jakarta."

600 churches have been destroyed by burnings and bombings in Indonesia since 1972, not counting the seminaries and the homes and businesses of Christians burnt to the ground.

If these "converts" are being allowed to emigrate to USA, it`s a 5th column right in our midst. I am warning all of you NOW! It`s pure propaganda and BS.

I was associated with the the Northern California Indonesian Cathoilic Community for 20 years and I know what I am talking about.

13 posted on 08/19/2012 12:41:12 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (Beware of Wolves in Sheeps` Clothing!. what??? Who knew? .)
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To: Monty22002

Islam, like liberalism, finds fertile ground in shallow soil.


14 posted on 08/19/2012 12:42:29 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: SpaceBar
Spain has a better chance of becoming predominantly zoroastrian in the same time period.

Dennis Miller? Is that you?

15 posted on 08/19/2012 12:44:07 PM PDT by America_Right (Remember, Republicans have a lot more in common with Democrats than they do with Tea Partiers.)
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To: bunkerhill7

sorry-mispelled

Northern California Indonesian Catholic Community


16 posted on 08/19/2012 12:44:57 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (Beware of Wolves in Sheeps` Clothing!. what??? Who knew? .)
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To: Monty22002

The answer is simple:

The kings in those countries were bribed with untold wealth and markets for their goods, and if the king and his aristocracy converted, then the masses followed, either by propaganda or sword.

The way Islam is set up is if you don’t submit, you become a 2nd class citizen and have to pay the dhimmi tax, so people just convert out of convenience.


17 posted on 08/19/2012 12:57:35 PM PDT by radpolis (Liberals: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy)
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To: Flag_This
I believe we are headed towards a very bloody denouement between the forces of radical islam and what's left of Western civilization.

If the West ever stops being apologetic for its success and advancements, what you predict may come true. Perhaps islam may eventually really overstep and incite the West and Christianity to respond. But I'm not hopeful because we are so damned PC about islam. And how will we eradicate radical islam? Maybe destroying Mecca would do it, but that alone won't be enough.

18 posted on 08/19/2012 1:03:40 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: bunkerhill7
‘Every year, about two million Indonesians leave Islam for Christianity’
97.3 per cent of statistics are bullsht.
And the unlinked assertion in the OP should fit right in.
TWB
19 posted on 08/19/2012 1:11:25 PM PDT by TWhiteBear (Sarah Palin...The Flame of the North)
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To: TWhiteBear

I’m curious if any Islamic country has ever left Islam. Spain was controlled and broke free, but I’m not sure I would have considered it an Islamic country.


20 posted on 08/19/2012 1:26:54 PM PDT by aimhigh
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To: bunkerhill7
Ask any Christian Indo emigrant who fled the church burnings and bombings, rapes and killing by moslems in Indonesia now living in the USA: they will tell you it`s all BS.

I concur with this. I am living in Indonesia now, Sentani, Papua to be more precise, and I see more moslems now than I did fifteen years ago. I hear more mosques now, too. Imwould be very surprised if Indonesia as a whole left islam.

21 posted on 08/19/2012 1:49:59 PM PDT by Jemian
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To: Eye of Unk
Makes me kinda wonder if the next war will me Moslems attacking Mexicans, who prefer to follow the ideology of Azlatin (sp?)

Aztlan*, like islam, is more a political and cultural movement appealing to the primitive tendency to violence and mayhem.

Whether members of Aztlan or not, the Mexicans will fight back with all the ferocity of primitive tribalism.

As for Islam, their ultimate fate is that of Carthage. Our language is familiar with the phrase Cartago delanda est as a blueprint for the civilized world.

*Aztlan is a totally American fabrication. Mostly a large, violent gang like the drug cartels with an infantile excuse.

22 posted on 08/19/2012 2:00:48 PM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: aimhigh
Spain was controlled and broke free, but I’m not sure I would have considered it an Islamic country.

What an odd statement to make. The question is too complex for a simple yes or no answer. Ignorance of history creates all sorts of mischief. Even fictionalized history like Michener's Iberia is better than none at all.

First of all, Modern Spain and al Andalus are neither synonymous nor coincident.
The short answer infuriates Spaniards (I was married to one for over 20 years.)
Islam ruled over (varying parts of) Spain much longer than Spain has been the country that we "know" today.

23 posted on 08/19/2012 2:15:58 PM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: BenLurkin
Islam is a barbaric religion that imposes its will on the individual. People may take that for a while.

1400 years hasn't been enough?

The US will become Islamic long before Indonesia becomes Christian -- unless Christians start doing something about it.

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24 posted on 08/19/2012 2:39:12 PM PDT by JCG
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To: BenLurkin

All it takes to control the populace is a small group of “terrorists” that single out and kill people.


25 posted on 08/19/2012 2:39:21 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: Monty22002
It never made sense to me why islam, an insane arab desert death cult, took hold in south east asia.

Simple. Conversion by the sword. Look at the Saudi flag for proof.

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26 posted on 08/19/2012 2:43:03 PM PDT by JCG
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To: BenLurkin
Islam is a barbaric religion that imposes its will on the individual. People may take that for a while.

Right. Like for the last FOURTEENHUNDRED years or so.

Then rebellion comes.

Right again. Like the swing to an even more fundamentalist islam in most of northern Africa (and parts of sub-saharan Africa) these days.

Fortunately for the author, in 2030 no one will remember his foolish utterings of today.

27 posted on 08/19/2012 2:44:26 PM PDT by Moltke ("I am Dr. Sonderborg," he said, "and I don't want any nonsense.")
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To: The_Reader_David

“The Mote in God’s Eye”

Man, it’s been decades since I read that book. I’ve definitely got to dust it off again. I do think about it once in a while.


28 posted on 08/19/2012 2:53:22 PM PDT by LaserJock
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To: Flag_This
I believe we are headed towards a very bloody denouement between the forces of radical islam and what's left of Western civilization.

That's my belief too.

29 posted on 08/19/2012 3:00:15 PM PDT by GOPJ (Politics is war without bloodshed, and war is politics with bloodshed. - Mao Tse Tung. We're at war)
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To: zot; SeraphimApprentice

Another item for the long-term watch list.


30 posted on 08/19/2012 3:14:54 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: radpolis

It sadly shows how quickly the masses can be indoctrinated to a religion. Even if the first ones fake it, by the time the next generation comes along it’s hardcore accepted and that’s that.


31 posted on 08/19/2012 3:30:54 PM PDT by Monty22002
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To: BenLurkin

Hers’s another ‘take’ on Indonesia - and how Muslim they are:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2918555/posts?page=12

Three of the most populous Muslim countries—Indonesia, Malaysia, and Pakistan—all scored above 70% agreement on the oneness of Islamic doctrine, a level of orthodoxy that tracks well with Pakistan’s jihadist image, but may come as a jolt to those who still think that Islam’s East Asian strongholds are somehow more willing to diverge from core Islamic doctrine than their Middle Eastern co-religionists.

In fact, Indonesian Muslims’ 72% level of agreement that there is “only one true way to interpret” Islam places them just a few points behind Egypt and Jordan, with 78% and 76%, respectively. It was the Sub-Saharan African Muslims who posted the strongest display of Sharia adherence, however: All 16 survey countries from Mali and Nigeria in West Africa to Ethiopia, Kenya, Mozambique and Tanzania in the east scored above the 50% mark of agreement on the “one true” interpretation question.


32 posted on 08/19/2012 3:40:01 PM PDT by GOPJ (Politics is war without bloodshed, and war is politics with bloodshed. - Mao Tse Tung. We're at war)
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To: bunkerhill7

Hhh... your statement really demean not only the newly convert Christians but also Christ Himself. It basically says you don’t believe that the Holy Spirit works on many Indonesians that have been called to Him.

I’m not saying there’s no fake conversion, but a blanket statement such as yours really will only result in closing the door for evangelizing the Indonesians. BTW, the biggest denomination of Indonesian church is HKBP, a Lutheran church brought by German missionaries to Batak ethnic, particularly Nommensen. His works only showed their fruits in late 19th century, and early 20th century. Even the predominantly Christian regions (Maluku, Sulawesi Utara, Sumatra Utara, Papua, etc) adopted Christianity only in 18-19th century. If we follow your suggestion, only Fransiskus Xaverius Satiman, the earliest known Indonesian Christian, can be considered ‘legitimate’.

Di masa depan, mungkin lebih baik jika Anda menulis hal2 yg Anda kuasai. Tulisan seperti ini bisa membawa masalah tambahan untuk orang Kristen di Indonesia. Masalah mereka sudah cukup banyak. Tuhan berkati.


33 posted on 08/19/2012 3:57:53 PM PDT by paudio (Two stubborn facts remain: (1) Romney is better than 0bama, and (2) Romney is the Republican Nominee)
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To: paudio
Evidently you haven`t heard the lastest news from Aceh.

I have never met one genuine Indo muslim convert in all my 20 years dealing with thousands of Indonesian immigrants here from San Francisco to LA., in Toronto, in Sao Paulo, Amsterdam, Virginia, etc/., ...

Neither have my Indo friends here. Where are these converts? All in Indonesia?- Are they allowed to leave the country? Then if so they and their families are marked for retribution already by the muslim fanatics there. Actually it is just the opposite- young christian girls and their families are forced conversions in villages to become moslem or they will be harrassed, their houses burned, daughters raped etc. Are you living in LALA land?

I only met one muslim-to-catholic convert in all my life in USA- He was an Afghani who lasted only about 2 months here in SF bay area before he disappeared. There were no more Afghani converts after that.

I did meet and knew for several years an Indo Catholic priest whose father was muslim and mother was catholic. But none of the parishoners trusted him one inch, period. I never said that the Holy Spirit does not work, - I only said beware the wolf in sheep`s clothing.

"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves (Matt. 7:15).

34 posted on 08/19/2012 4:42:26 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (2,000,000 conversions? where??)
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To: bunkerhill7

This is one of those stories like how the Japanese are on the cusp of a big conversion.

Not true.


35 posted on 08/19/2012 4:56:13 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: bunkerhill7

Pengalaman Anda dengan Romo palsu tidak membuat semua orang Indonesia yg datang kepadaNya palsu. Dari Bahasa Indonesia saya, Anda mestinya sudah bisa menduga seberapa jauh saya mengerti hal2 yg berkaitan dengan Indonesia, khisusnya orange Kristen di Indonesia.

If you don’t completely understand what I write in Bahasa Indonesia, ask your Indonesian friend to translate it for you.

Don’t let your experiences with false converts prevent thirsty souls from coming to Him. Satan is very smart, and he uses people experiences to demean His work.


36 posted on 08/19/2012 5:14:54 PM PDT by paudio (Two stubborn facts remain: (1) Romney is better than 0bama, and (2) Romney is the Republican Nominee)
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To: Chickensoup
This is one of those stories like how the Japanese are on the cusp of a big conversion.

Sometimes, those stories are true...

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37 posted on 08/19/2012 5:33:20 PM PDT by Antoninus (Sorry, gone rogue.)
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To: GreyFriar

I don’t believe large numbers of Indonesians are abandoning Islam.
Wherever it can, Islam destroys all other religions.


38 posted on 08/19/2012 6:13:48 PM PDT by zot
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To: libertylover; BenLurkin
But Egypt has moved closer to Islam, not away from it.

The Muslim Brotherhood and al Queda are financed with Arab oil money. Once that oil money finally runs out, and there is no money to subsidize the radical madrassahs, and to pay the salaries of the radical clerics, and to pay the rent on the radical mosques, then Islam is in trouble.

39 posted on 08/20/2012 5:47:41 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (A deep-fried storm is coming, Mr Obama.)
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To: radpolis
The way Islam is set up is if you don’t submit, you become a 2nd class citizen and have to pay the dhimmi tax, so people just convert out of convenience.

Islam is very similar to Communism, in the sense that you have the elites and the non-productive underclass working together to enslave the productive middle class, with the underclass acting as enforcers.

Besides the tax on non-Muslims (the "jizya"), you also have the Muslim middle-class having to pay the zakat, which essentially is a 2.5% tax on ASSETS. The money goes to pay for the "poor", the clerics, and people engaged in jihad. The people receiving zakat will kill in order to keep receiving it.

40 posted on 08/20/2012 6:14:17 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (A deep-fried storm is coming, Mr Obama.)
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