Skip to comments.Republicans hang Akin out to dry
Posted on 08/23/2012 8:42:36 AM PDT by Perseverando
WASHINGTON So, let me get this straight.
A worthy Republican challenger to Sen. Claire McCaskill in Missouri made one dumb comment to an interviewer and the entire Republican establishment is pulling the rug out from under him, essentially conceding the race to a very vulnerable Democrat.
Heres the entirety of Rep. Todd Akins comment defending his pro-life position that has caused such a massive furor: From what I understand from doctors, thats (conception as a result of rape) really rare. If its a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. But lets assume that maybe that didnt work or something, I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be of the rapist, and not attacking the child.
Now lets take this statement apart word for word and see where Akin went wrong.
From what I understand from doctors, thats (conception as a result of rape) really rare. So far, he is absolutely, 100 percent right. Its exceedingly rare. Some feminist sources claim as many as 5 percent of women raped get pregnant. Though you will find studies placing the percentage at 1 percent to 5 percent, many of them are politically loaded. The fact of the matter is that women can only get pregnant when they are fertile. One-third of women are either too young or too old to get pregnant. A woman is capable of being fertilized only 3 days out of 30 every month. A fourth of all women in the U.S. of childbearing years have been sterilized. Only half of all rapists deposit sperm in the victims vagina. Many sexual attackers are impotent or ejaculate prematurely. But, at the end of the day, its very rare for a rape victim to become pregnant
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"Republicans are quick to turn on their own to show just how magnanimous and respectable they are. They want to demonstrate to the media and the electorate that they are smarter than those who occasionally stumble. And this is why they remain the minority party even when Democrats are destroying the country before our eyes.
Think about it. Its like a friend of mine said recently. Which of the following do you find more troubling? 1) Ted Kennedy kills a woman; 2) Barney Frank runs a homosexual prostitution ring out of his apartment; 3) Bill Clinton is credibly accused of raping Juanita Broaddrick; (4) Todd Akin misspeaks.
Does that help put this in perspective?"
However, most Republicans realized how big a gaff in tactical and strategic political terms this is. Akin does not.
Todd Akins is just an ass, and if he were capable of honorable behavior, would have already withdrawn while another candidate still has a chance.
The man’s lost it.
He could take the White House with him.
If I read the Missouri law correctly, if Akin withdraws, MaCaskill runs unopposed. On the other hand, if he waits three more weeks, they can replace him on the ballot if this does not blow over.
Todd Akin hangs Republicans out to dry.
>> Its like a friend of mine said recently. Which of the following do you find more troubling? 1) Ted Kennedy kills a woman; 2) Barney Frank runs a homosexual prostitution ring out of his apartment; 3) Bill Clinton is credibly accused of raping Juanita Broaddrick; (4) Todd Akin misspeaks.
The thing is ... conservatives are not in a personality cult. We don’t worship our leaders like Democrats do. We don’t defend the indefensible like Democrats do. Unlike Democrats, our leaders serve us, not the other way around — and, if our leaders cease to serve us, we let them go. I don’t want a conservative version of Kennedy, or Clinton, or Frank, or Byrd, or Obama, or Biden, or Rangel. These people are an embarrassment.
People keep arguing that Democrats wouldn’t do this to somebody who has done much worse. That is true. But, Democrats are without honor, without shame, and devoid of intellectual honesty. We are not devoted to Akin like Democrats are devoted to Obama, or Biden, or Clinton, or Pelosi. Nor should we be. Our leaders don’t send a thrill up our legs.
Its a different game for conservative standard-bearers. They should know that at the outset. We try to hold our own accountable; our opponents do not. I wouldn’t have it any other way.
The one thing I am not seeing in this scream fest is the most important part.
What are the best current (of the few honest) polls in Missouri saying?
The reason this is critical is the flip side of the coin.
The Republican party leadership insisted that conservatives *had* to support Romney, even though he is far too liberal, *because there is no other choice*. If we don’t support Romney, then Obama will win.
But now, that same Republican party leadership is insisting that though it is too late to run another candidate, Akin should drop out anyway, *giving* the election to his wacky leftist Democrat opponent, and maybe with it, control of the US senate!
But what do the polls in his home state of Missouri say?
Is this not the identical situation to Romney? That Missouri Republicans have *no choice* but to vote for Akin, or the repulsive Democrat Claire McCaskill is guaranteed to win?
Why one and not the other? Why *must* conservatives support Romney, but at the same time, why *must* conservatives *not* support Akin?
I, for one, am willing to accept Akin’s apology as just a misstatement. Though I am not a Missourian, I think the big picture is far more important than a single ill considered sentence.
And the real harm Claire McCaskill can do to our country, along with tens of millions of people, is far worse than the imaginary harm the opinion of Akin might cause.
Let us keep our perspective. If you will hold your nose and vote for Romney, solely to stop Obama; then you, if you live in Missouri, should do the same and vote for Akin.
Sorry, but that is the Republican way; to back down, grovel, apologize, and quit whenever the Democrats or press scream their heads off and demand it. The Dems don’t do that. Republicans do. It’s who we are. It’s also why Dems and the press consistently kick our butts and select our gutless candidates for us.
I know he has lost it my old friend. Not even remotely has a sense of reality. He was up by 9, now down by 10. A 19 point negative swing. Colossal screw up.
Regarding replacing Todd Akin if he withdraws - the Republican Central Committee will choose the replacement. That replacement can be someone who lost in the primary. So Steelman or Brunner could still end up as the candidate. Akin would have to withdraw and get a court order by Sept. 25.
The liberals may not have a principled position but at least it is logical which abortion in any form at any time and at any place.
Mittens has a position against abortion, but, but, but, but, but, but, not in cases of rape, incest, or the life of the mother which is not very principled nor very logical and very difficult to explain.
Unfortunately, Akin had the principled and logical position but he chose to defend his position with science and even the best science is not absolute which left him vulnerable to be attacked.
Personally if I were Romney, I would give up trying to pander to social conservatives with his illogical position, and be honest enough to give his real position which is abortion should be legal but it should be rare which is just as principled as his convoluted position and more logically defensible.
Such a position might not reflect my position but at least I would respect him for being honest and not simply pandering.
Such a position would reflect Giuliani's position and I respect Giulani for his honesty, but that is the difference between Giuliani and Romney, Giuliani is a populist from honest immigrant stock. Mittens came from elitist stock whose granddaddy fled the country to avoid the law and a gave birth to Willard's daddy who was a Mexican national who like most elitists felt entitled to run for the presidency even though his birth was a disqualifier.
So, he misspoke, mostly by using the term “legitimate rape.” Big deal. Politicians misspeak often, since they are on the campaign trail, talking all the time. This would not even be a news item if it were not for the Communist, baby-killing liars who run our press, and the Republican cowards who don’t dare face them down.
Instead of saying that he should retire, because of ONE thoughtless word—for which he has apologized—why the hell can’t the so-called conservatives and pro-lifers point out that he was BASICALLY RIGHT. Rape is a terrible thing, but you can’t solve it by killing the innocent baby who is occasionally conceived by rape. Killing the innocent is MURDER, even in the case of rape.
How about pointing that out? Or pointing out that the news media have a propaganda program that they are pushing here? Namely, all of them want to kill as many babies as possible, and this gives them a good chance to do it. Romney, who has a considerable record of support for abortion, has already caved in to the propaganda monster, and said that he approves of government-supported abortions in all cases of rape.
This firestorm will not be solved by urging a basically decent candidate to pull out because the baby killers have managed to make him a convenient symbol. It will only be solved if cdonservatives start pointing out what is REALLY GOING ON HERE—that the baby killers have seized upon a minor gaffe by an obscure politician to push their abortion agenda—and all the cowardly Republicans are jumping on their propaganda bandwagon.
That not only is the wrong response morally, it is a stupid response politically. It is playing the enemy’s game, and letting them write the rules.
Screw the losers supporting a liberal like Romney while piling on a near 100% conservative. It's pathetic and the reason why the conservative movement is impotent.
Excellent read Cicero!
I would be curious if it Akins would take money from the Devil himself to keep his ego running in this race?
I am sure there are lots of DEMS with deep pockets willing to fund his campaign to assure Claire a win and in the bigger scheme of things more infanticide in Missouri?
I do believe Mr. Akins’ ego has consummed his soul.
Ted is dead, Barny is out, and Bill is overrated.
Akins is now and what he said is the stupidist ignorant thing. It plays to the libaral’s stereotype of uneducated right wing fanatical white Christian.
This is the type of crap you hear coming out of a Imam’s mouth from a radical unstable 3rd world Muslim country.
Not only should they have thrown him under the bus, they should repeatedly pick him up and throw him under again until he’s gone.
It’s so fricken stupid it’s easy to believe he’s a liberal stalking goat.
You know, most Republican elected officials manage to make it through their entire political careers without a major gaffe that gives the MSM and the Democrats the opportunity to paint them in a bad light and thereby alter the dynamics of major and very important elections.
They do this by having enough blithering common sense to think a little bit about what they’re going to say before they say it. Todd Akin apparently doesn’t have this common sense. That along - regardless of how folks might want to parse out what he said - is enough to disqualify him.
If you’re too stupid to watch your tongue when you know the system is already stacked against you, then you have no business running for office.
Republican officeholders, and seekers, are in full denial mode. They deny any association with Akin’s comments, and toss him overboard for good measure.
Missouri voters, however, aren’t running for office. They’re going to the polls to decide whether to given Obama an ally, or Romney an ally.
While this is way beyond a tempest in a teapot, mostly because of the piling on by GOP officeholders/seekers, Akins has two more months to address the voters in Missouri and convince them he’s not some ogre who thinks that if a woman is raped then she must have deserved it.
And since he, in fact, doesn’t believe that fiction which was too-easily created by the more rabid tribunes of the left wing, he has a chance of convincing Missouri voters that they should return to him. Now, if he really believed what the Left is portraying him as believing, that would be another matter. It will require voters to think for themselves, but the Right, at least, is showing some signs of doing just that in this election.
If Akin stays in, I’ll bet he wins it. Are Missouri GOP voters who are mad at Akin now really going to vote for his opponent? Akin shot himself in the foot, but that doesn’t mean the voters in Missouri who want Obama out are going to collectively do the same thing.
Dems are gaining momentum by the hour. It had better happen soon.
My father told me, “When there’s big money involved, someone’s going to find a way to cheat.”
Now, if people will cheat for a few thousand bucks, why would they not cheat for trillions of dollars?
The Democrats and media are not misguided ideologues. They’re just thieves. They want access to the public treasury so they can loot trillions of dollars from it. Follow the money. Beware of wolves in sheeps clothing.
Farah needs to stop feeding the machine. Everyone of consequence in the GOP has commented. Akin is dead to them. Move on.
If players want to work behind the scenes on getting him out, fine, but this story is going on way too long for what it really is. And you can defend Akin to your heart’s content; it doesn’t change the fact that he is toast in the election and he is dragging others down with him.
Compare it to obama's "if my daughters make a mistake I don't want them punished with a baby".
Realistically speaking, what people who would have voted for Akin would change their mind and instead vote for McCaskill as a result of this? Women who think Akin is a cad? A woman is either pro-life or pro-death. What woman is going to go from pro-life to pro-death just because she thinks a pro-life person is a jerk? The only way that happens is if she’s totally led by emotions, and that’s exactly what the dems are trying to do.
And the R’s are playing right along with it.
Somebody needs to ask the media people whether the statutory rapes reported to Planned Parenthood by Lila Rose (or other undercover pro-lifers) are “legitimate rapes” - and if so, whether the dems who pay Planned Parenthood to cover for the rapists are thus showing a callous disregard for rape victims by poo-poohing the seriousness of non-forcible (statutory) rape.
Akin was talking about how the BODY deals with different situations, and particularly that violence and stress can impact whether conception occurs.
Does anybody who’s tried to conceive and had problems - and been told by their doctor that they need to just “relax”, so their body will function normally - really doubt that it CAN make a difference? Not that it is impossible to get pregnant under stressful or violent circumstances; we all know it’s possible because it happens. But Akin was talking about whether violence and stress CAN inhibit conception. How many couples have struggled to conceive, give up and adopt, and then immediately become pregnant?
But if the big stink over what he said is the bit about “legitimate rape” - which he was referring to in terms of the body’s stress response, and not moral repugnance so it’s a totally different context - then let’s discuss Planned Parenthood’s view of statutory rape and their total lack of moral repugnance towards that rape. Let’s find out who REALLY has the war against women.
Let’s compare how many women are incarcerated today because of the way they tried to cope with being raped, versus how many women are incarcerated today because of the way they tried to cope with having an abortion. Let’s get some statistics from the women’s prisons.
The point is that both are horrific, soul-wrenching events - one where the woman is the victim and one where she is the perpetrator. Which harms women more - to be a victim or to be a perpetrator? The women in jails might have some interesting perspectives on that...
Let’s have this discussion. The left will never win this discussion unless we back away from it. Because the left sides against women regarding statutory rape, by protecting the rapists through abortion. And the left sides with women as perpetrators by pushing abortion and infanticide for any reason at any time and pushing AGAINST informed consent laws, parental protections, anti-kidnapping-for-abortion, etc laws.
Women are hurt when they are the victims, and they are hurt when they are the perpetrators. And the left ALWAYS protects and enables the perpetrator. Always.
Frankly, it is not my place as an Ohioan to tell Congressman Akin what to say, think or do. It would be better for all of us, as Republicans, however, if neither he nor his detractors in the Republican Party acted in panic, or continued to display a panic mode.
Frankly, also, I disagree with the apparent purpose of his remarks on rape. While the studies are suspect--because they depend upon people telling the truth about what led to any sexual encounter, and any result--there is a great body of anecdotal evidence that a woman, not emotionally "into" certain actions, is less likely to conceive than one who is. But that really doesn't have anything to do with the underlying issue.
The issue that he was apparently raising, was a conditional one--conditioned not on anything immediately even in play. If at some future time, Roe vs. Wade is overruled, or the Federal Court jurisdiction to hear abortion cases is taken away by Congress, and Missouri can again outlaw abortion; should there be an exception for rape victims? Frankly, I would urge that there should be--provided that the victim acts within a short time frame after the trauma. A girl should not be forced to carry a rapist's baby--if there really was a rape in the classic sense. So I disagree with the Congressman on the whole point over which his unfortunate presentation got him in trouble. But that does not make me inclined to disparage his candidacy.
As the next few weeks roll by, unless the Congressman is an idiot, he will discuss a whole wealth of more immediately applicable issues. Whether he wins or loses will depend on how well he does in making his stand on those more immediately applicable issues resonate with his constituents.
I would not post on this mess--a mess because of the multi-sided hysteria--if the panic behavior of so many prominent Republicans was not such an embarrassment. We do not make ourselves look more moral than the Democrats, who often successfully ignore very significant scandals on their side, by running around like chickens without their heads, over the unfortunate implications of picking the wrong way to try to make a point on a secondary--from the Federal perspective--issue. We simply look like confused "summer warriors." (And I am trying to put it in a kind way!)
How about this one ?
“Hitler started out good and then he just went nuts”
That was by Marge Schott. Previous owner of the Cincinnati Reds after which she was forced to relinquish ownership.
Akin if this continues past Labor Day will cost the GOP the seat in Missouri.
The democrats are already using this stupid statement of his as cudgel to beat Republicans with and they show no sign of stopping.
You would think that a lesson would be learned from 2010 from the likes of Angle on O'Donnell (I think that is correct).
It would help if we nominated a candidate with at least a few operating brain cells.
Thanks alot TODD!!
What do the polls say??
Rasmussen released a poll today that has Akin down by 10% (48 McCaskell 38 Akin).
>>Akin is either a shill, being paid off by the Democrats, or he’s a moron, in either case one thing is for sure, he’s not going to be elected Senator from the great state of Missouri.<<
Or he misspoke in a way that could be easily misconstrued by the Left, apologized, and has the stones to stay in the race despite the fact that the leftists in the MSM have once again succeeded in stampeding the GOP establishment into a lemming-like run toward the cliffs.
He’ll be polling even with McCaskill within a couple of weeks. Missouri voters aren’t stupid enough to turn Blue over this, even though the GOP establishment has made its belief quite clear that they must indeed be that stupid.
The rules on replacement allowed a replacement if he dies or is determined ineligible. If he voluntarily withdraws, there is nothing about replacing him until three weeks from now. Then, my comprehension of legalese is sometimes flawed. I think it has to do with expecting logic in it.
Another thing the GOP establishment seems to be hard at work on making clear is their disdain for anyone who is either truly pro-life or has a 97.25% conservative rating over 12 years in the House.
Who do you think actually changed from supporting Akin to supporting McCaskill, and why?
If I was in Missouri and wanted a different candidate to replace Akin, I would tell pollsters what it takes to get Akin to be replaced. Maybe that I would vote third party. Maybe that I would vote McCaskill. That doesn’t mean I would EVER actually vote for McCaskill. So even if the polls are accurate, the responses could be based on lots of different thinking.
And we have no idea whether the polls are accurate, either. The lib pollsters created results to encourage Akin to stay in. Rasmussen is generally more conservative and has results that would urge replacement of Akin. Who knows what the truth really is? It’s constantly being manipulated to try to sell something to the public.
What voter who would have voted for Akin would truly vote for McCaskill instead because of this? What would their thinking be?
I live south of the KC-Metro and the local tv stations played with great smirking pleasure Akin’s words, always followed by Claire calling him ‘ignorant’... I do not know if they are still playing his words and giving Claire free advertising time today because I can't watch it.
Further why is anyone shocked or did not expect the GOP-e to run as fast as they could away from Akin. REALLY???? They funded to the exemption of all other candidates a pro-choice Romney....
This wasn’t just a gaffe. There’s no way one could make such an asinine statement on accident. Defending someone with this kind of idiotic thinking is no better than being a Dimocrat.
Approximately 20,000 women who are raped every year... Carry their children to term. Akin insulted them and did a lot of damage to the pro-life movement with his stupidity.
If he weren’t a selfish fool he would have stepped aside.
Then let the libs run as the people who think 10-year-old girls have the right to choose to have sex with 34-year-old men. That’s not “legitimate rape”.... so Planned Parenthood just offers the 10-year-old an abortion to cover up for the Sandusky-like “friend” she wants to have sex with...
If boys could get pregnant, would Planned Parenthood have covered for Jerry Sandusky, when the young boys who “chose” to be with him got pregnant? If what Sandusky did was wrong and morally repulsive, then how does Planned Parenthood get off on their rape-covering crapola - on the taxpayer dime, in full view of everybody?
Somebody needs to say this stuff out loud to Claire McCaskill and the whole stinking rabble.
butterdezillion ... had Akin cited this case and nothing else regarding ‘legitimate rape’ and how the ‘female body prevents conception’ NONE of the insanity would be on parade. His words gave what liberals lacked something to run on.
“No, we ALL need to read it right now, and be ready to respond at the grass roots level, this Labor Day weekend at family gatherings, or any other time the liberals in our respective families are first to bring up the issue, from now until November 6th:
If the U.S. Supreme Court ruled (Kennedy v. Louisiana - 2008 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennedy_v._Louisiana ) that the death penalty is cruel and unusual punishment for rapists, why then is the death penalty acceptable for the innocent unborn child? Its not the babys fault.
147 posted on Wednesday, August 22, 2012 7:42:52 AM by golas1964”
Have called for Akin to step down for the sake of the country:
Tea Party Express
National Review editorial board
etc etc etc
If he wanted to defend a child's right to life under these circumstances he should have said so. Instead, he blubbered up a bizarre theory that was at once insulting and without scientific backing.
“He’s got to leave. He’s toxic. Nobody will touch him. Republicans aren’t going to support him. He’s not going to get any money.
“They’ve tossed away a seat that they could easily have won. It isn’t only that it was offensive and toxic; it was unbelievably stupid.
“And there is enough stupidity in Congress that we don’t need to add to it in this large amount. The guy’s got to leave.”
How did he insult them? By saying they are rare? By saying that stress can lower fertility? Or were his comments misconstrued as saying that if you got pregnant it must not have been a “legitimate rape” (which is not what he said at all)?
The insult is in the hype, not in what he actually said, as far as I can tell.
There was an article posted a few days ago, about a lesbian couple in Nevada that went to the hospital when the pregnant one developed complications. The hospital wasn’t going to let the other make medical decisions because they weren’t married, although they had a certificate of a civil union. The article said the woman was distraught about that and then she lost the baby.
Did that article insult me, since I have lost 2 children (one to miscarriage and another to stillbirth) and they seem to be implying that stress kills babies? Are the authors of that article - by hinting that stress can cause miscarriage - insulting me by saying if I had just chilled out my babies would have lived?
If I wanted to make this into a political crusade I could claim that. I could “community organize” (agitate) to try to get that reporter destroyed. I wouldn’t be successful because I don’t have a whole political and media machine at my disposal, but it would be the same thing as is going on here.
His comments were not politically smart. They may have been insensitive. But the agitators are blowing this whole thing way out of proportion, and folks on our side are so afraid of the agitprop that we’re playing right along with it.
theres a lot of work left to do and just 70+ days to do it...come on folks, lets stay focused and busy !.
Yes, pregnancy owing to rape is rare, but it does happen. That is why the Texas law overthown by Roe.V. Wade allowed abortion in case of rape and incest. It was the most restrictive law in the country. So if Akin thinks that a more restrictive law is possible in this nation, he is naive.
...and sometimes, doing what is right,
is better strategy in the long run,
than doing what is cowardly.
(especially when Ryan co-authored that Bill with Akin.
if you throw Akin under the bus, eventually,
you do the same to Ryan.)