Posted on 08/28/2012 3:32:59 PM PDT by markomalley
A notary in the Brazilian state of Sao Paulo has sparked controversy by accepting a civil union between three people.
Public Notary Claudia do Nascimento Domingues has said the man and two women should be entitled to family rights.
She says there is nothing in law to prevent such an arrangement.
But the move has angered some religious groups, while one lawyer described it as "absurd and totally illegal".
The three individuals, who have declined to speak to the press, have lived in Rio de Janeiro together for three years and share bills and other expenses.
Ms Domingues says they have already opened a joint bank account, which is also not prohibited by any law.
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I think, the end of civilization.
Marriage was already comprehensively deconstructed by heterosexuals, long before the homosexuals swarmed in to claim its parts and bits. Through civil marriage, easy divorce/remarriage, and contraception, heteros redefined marriage from being a Natural Law-anchored, fertile exclusive lifelong union, to being a construct of positive "say-so" law, sequentially multipartnered, and sterile.
Marriage --- as obviously defined in all of human history across centuries, continents, and civilizations --- makes sense only as a setting for procreative sex which then defines two-and-only-two people, the male and the female, as the responsible parents. People of random genders rubbing non-procreative body parts together don't require solemn durable societal recognitions, responsibilities or covenants. In such case, there is no need to specify one, two, three, any number of people, and it doesn't matter whether the non-procreative parts are elbows, anuses, noses, knees or reproductively disabled genitals.
Who queered marriage? Heterosexuals. They "redefined" it. It's inevitable that the various kinds of queers would now claim the mutated thing as their own.
Marriage was already comprehensively deconstructed by heterosexuals, long before the homosexuals swarmed in to claim its parts and bits. Through civil marriage, easy divorce/remarriage, and contraception, heteros redefined marriage from being a Natural Law-anchored, fertile exclusive lifelong union, to being a construct of positive "say-so" law, sequentially multipartnered, and sterile.
Marriage --- as obviously defined in all of human history across centuries, continents, and civilizations --- makes sense only as a setting for procreative sex which then defines two-and-only-two people, the male and the female, as the responsible parents. People of random genders rubbing non-procreative body parts together don't require solemn durable societal recognitions, responsibilities or covenants. In such case, there is no need to specify one, two, three, any number of people, and it doesn't matter whether the non-procreative parts are elbows, anuses, noses, knees or reproductively disabled genitals.
Who queered marriage? Heterosexuals. They "redefined" it. It's inevitable that the various kinds of queers would now claim the mutated thing as their own.
Dead on.
When it comes here, it should emphasize that government getting into the marriage business (tax breaks, etc.) WAS the problem.
It should highlight that Marriage is a religious, holy covenant. It is not a contract between two men or three men or six women...
Repeat after me: “There is no slippery slope! There is no slippery slope!”
Polygamy is therefore rationally ordered to the social purposes of marriage, namely, the identification of the mother and father of a child, and the reciprocal responsibilities thereof. Polygamy still binds together the social, economic, legal and genetic aspects of father and mother into a unity, for the sake of the offspring.
Polyamory --- at least as I understand it --- posits a spousal relation betwen the women, as well as between each woman and the man. Therefore it veers away from the procreative form, which is the only rational public purpose for marriage to begin with.
Any other kind of agreement can be a private contract. That's what contracts are for.
I’m starting to think we just drop out of these debates. Or at least make them tell you what “advantages” they want. If they want to be able to visit in hospitals or get a tax break, say “ok, go for it”.
When they want a priest or pastor or rabbi to preside, let the debate begin.
Think of the divorce settlement. He has to pay each of his wives half of everything!
The difference is that in polygamy the women are both married to the man, but not to each other. So it’s still between “a man and a woman”, it’s just that the man has two marriages at the same time.
If “Marriage equality” applies to couples, why not 3-somes, 4-somes, etc.?
No, polygamy has been common throughout history for practical reasons. If a high proportion of men died in war, polygamy both took care of the widows and orphans, and allowed the clan, tribe or whaterever to procrate at the maximum rate.
By contrast, what people do on the exclusive basis of their own adult self-interest is of no interest to the rest of us. Why should it be subsidized?
Politically, natural marriage can be, and ought to be, defended by its public purposes via Natural Law; it should not need -- in the political forum --- to be justified by Supernatural Law.
Though I'm beginning to wonder about that. I have noticed that people who lack the faith to accept Supernatural Law, lack also the reason to grasp Natural Law.
And when human beings sink below the natural, they do not sink to the bestial: they sink to the demonic.
By contrast, what people do on the exclusive basis of their own adult self-interest is of no interest to the rest of us. Why should it be subsidized?
Politically, natural marriage can be, and ought to be, defended by its public purposes via Natural Law; it should not need -- in the political forum --- to be justified by Supernatural Law.
Though I'm beginning to wonder about that. I have noticed that people who lack the faith to accept Supernatural Law, lack also the reason to grasp Natural Law.
And when human beings sink below the natural, they do not sink to the bestial: they sink to the demonic.
Was it pregnant?
Japan is close to developing a lovely lady who would make a perfect "wife" by certain standards. I want her, so if my wife will agree then we have a right to marry her and to demand that other people recognize and celebrate our marriage. If anyone refuses to support our happy moment with the cake, venue, flowers, or other commodities that we demand, then our lawyer should be able to punish them in court. What right do they have to make their own choices in life when we want to make our own choices for our lives . . . and for theirs?
Polygyny (not for everyone --- the numbers don't work out! --- but for the top males) is certainly more common across cultures than strict monogamy, and it fits the pattern of reproductive fitness esp. in societies where many men are missing or disabled. But these new so-called "marriage" forms being pressed upon us today, have little or nothing to do with reproductive fitness.
These new marriages are also, I will venture to say, inevitably statist, because they have no obvious social reinforcement from deepseated religious/cutural or customary practice, and thus require constant redefining and intricate negotiation and enforcement via the legal apparatus, lawyers, judges ---- ultimately, the state.
Arrangement regarding familial roles can arise to their needs, just like in polygamy societies. In some society, the kin line follows both sides (bilineal) so that matters such as inheritance, care for the elderly, etc., are done through discretion of the parties involved.
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