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3 Coal-Powered W. V. Plants to Shut Down
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| September 1, 2012
| Rachel Lucas
Posted on 09/04/2012 5:03:18 AM PDT by Timber Rattler
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To: Timber Rattler
Hopefully the East Coast will experience several brown-outs before the November elections - more “Hope-n-Change” is on the way!
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posted on
09/04/2012 5:32:29 AM PDT
by
DTogo
(High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
To: wita
It fits their profile.
Less money for ordinary Americans.
More money for the intelligentsia.
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posted on
09/04/2012 5:33:53 AM PDT
by
Eric in the Ozarks
(I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit; Timber Rattler; RFEngineer; Eric in the Ozarks
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posted on
09/04/2012 5:34:44 AM PDT
by
palmer
(Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
So that's the gospel according to the German "Greens",eh? The President/Prime Minister of a recently liberated Eastern European country (can't recall which one) said,when asked about the Greens...."the new Greens are the old Reds".
Sounds about right to me.
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posted on
09/04/2012 5:35:10 AM PDT
by
Gay State Conservative
(Voter ID Equals "No Representation Without Respiration")
To: SMARTY
Isnt there a miners union? Richard Trumka (Obama's most frequent visitor) was at one time president of the UMWA.
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posted on
09/04/2012 5:38:19 AM PDT
by
Ramcat
(Thank You American Veteransthese people only do what they want to do)
To: palmer
Coal was cheaper than gas until the recent advance in drilling and recovery technology. Unfortunately, utilities can't just switch to gas when their boilers are designed for coal. Gas is now $1 MM/BTUs less than PRB coal landed in the Midwest.
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posted on
09/04/2012 5:40:16 AM PDT
by
Eric in the Ozarks
(I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Time for WV to move on. To what, The Next Big Thing? What is that? This is a mining and largely rural state. The people there don't have a lot of skills, at least those who grew up in coal mining country. They aren't going to go out and magically get jobs as nanotechnologists and computer systems engineers (even if there were a lot of jobs in those areas, which there aren't). This isn't Rocket Boys, its the real world. For every Homer Hickam there are a thousand Ike Bykovskys who make their living mining coal.
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posted on
09/04/2012 5:42:00 AM PDT
by
chimera
To: bray
Not falling for agenda driven science. Just think it’s ludicrous to push electric cars while shutting down power plants. People are fools for not seeing the hypocrisy.
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posted on
09/04/2012 5:42:41 AM PDT
by
BelleAl
(Proud to be a member of the party of NO! NO more deficit spending and government control!)
To: Timber Rattler
5 years in Whetzel County, 3 miles up a holla, 18 miles from anywhere I could spend a dime.
I left WV (1981) because a different opportunity opened for me.I can only surmise that coal's position as king has been in jeopardy for at least 20 years.
Plenty of time to have kitchen table discussions
The same labor in a mine is needed in the gas/oil field ... the only thing missing is ....the union.
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posted on
09/04/2012 5:43:24 AM PDT
by
knarf
(I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
You sound like Senator Rockefeller, who also arrogantly tells people here in WV to “move on”. The Socialist-Democrats want to control everything and they don’t care how many lives they ruin.
To: Eric in the Ozarks
Coal was cheaper than gas until the recent advance in drilling and recovery technology. Unfortunately, utilities can't just switch to gas when their boilers are designed for coal. Gas is now $1 MM/BTUs less than PRB coal landed in the Midwest.The cost per MW is surprisingly comparable, with combined cycle gas-fired plants rivaling many coal-fired plants. I don't watch the daily costs, but what I've seen more recently, the most efficient coal-fired generating units still run at a lower cost than combined cycle gas generation, but not much lower. And a lot of smaller, older coal generators are more expensive to run than gas.
The big disadvantage for coal right now is one created by the government - EPA standards have become more stringent and are being applied to older units. Utilities are finding that it isn't cost-effective to retrofit older generation with the latest pollution control equipment and are closing down many of the older coal-fired generation instead.
It's not because the plants are no longer servicable, it's because the EPA has grossly overstepped its authority.
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posted on
09/04/2012 5:48:05 AM PDT
by
meyer
(It's 1860 all over again - the taxpayer is the new "N" word)
To: Timber Rattler
I’m in PA and I am scared to death to open my electric bills every month. My electricity has tripled in the past two years. It’s insane.
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posted on
09/04/2012 5:49:29 AM PDT
by
MestaMachine
(obama kills and bo stinks)
To: MestaMachine
You can thank Obamna who pledged that your rates would necessarily skyrocket under his plan. Also thanks to Eigenkeit above and others in Europe who have convinced Obama and the elites that we must suffer and pay more to allegedly save the world from thermageddon.
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posted on
09/04/2012 5:56:43 AM PDT
by
palmer
(Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Imho, your
well established might just have an agenda.
It would benefit from s'more research on US coal plant emissions/efficiencies.
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posted on
09/04/2012 5:56:54 AM PDT
by
tomkat
(:-)
To: meyer
Good luck getting a permit for any new gas unit. Utilities expect a series of lawsuits based on emissions from gas.
Part of the runup in coal has to do with rail freight. Another price driver is exports are where the growth is happening.
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posted on
09/04/2012 5:56:54 AM PDT
by
Eric in the Ozarks
(I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
To: dennisw
Assuming they are all married, that’s at least 420 votes for Mitt.
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posted on
09/04/2012 5:57:35 AM PDT
by
chainsaw
("Two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by debt.")
To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
It is well established that coal releases mecury which is a toxix nerve agent, into the atmosphere.We've been using coal for fuel for centuries and we are still living longer every year.
Coal is the least expensive fuel, and without government penalties would be way less than natural gas.
Are you a shill for Range Resources?
I love natural gas but coal is less costly.
Mein FReund ist nicht recht.
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posted on
09/04/2012 5:58:23 AM PDT
by
USS Alaska
(Nuke the terrorist savages, start today.)
To: palmer
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posted on
09/04/2012 5:58:39 AM PDT
by
MestaMachine
(obama kills and bo stinks)
To: Timber Rattler
Glad to see my home state is coming to its senses.
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posted on
09/04/2012 6:02:26 AM PDT
by
FormerLib
(Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
To: MestaMachine
yea electric bill approaching $400 a month...who says Zero doesn’t keep his promises?
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posted on
09/04/2012 6:02:38 AM PDT
by
Gasshog
(Myth the Magic RINO for President! Because the lesser of two evils is still evil?)
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