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Romney: 47% Of Americans Will Vote for Obama No Matter What
Townhall.com ^ | September 17, 2012 | Kevin Glass

Posted on 09/18/2012 3:37:16 AM PDT by Kaslin

Mother Jones has obtained and released video of Mitt Romney saying some things that Americans and the media will no doubt take uncharitably.

There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax.

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Romney went on: "[M]y job is is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

This is certainly an inartful way of attempting to make the point that Romney was attempting to make. It's also unclear what point he was actually attempting to make; if he believes that 47% of Americans are dependent on the government for their livelihood, he's simply mistaken.

The Romney campaign responded almost immediately with a boilerplate statement about how Romney's tax and economic plans will help all Americans, government beneficiary or no:

Mitt Romney wants to help all Americans struggling in the Obama economy. As the governor has made clear all year, he is concerned about the growing number of people who are dependent on the federal government, including the record number of people who are on food stamps, nearly one in six Americans in poverty, and the 23 million Americans who are struggling to find work. Mitt Romney's plan creates 12 million new jobs in four years, grows the economy and moves Americans off of government dependency and into jobs.

It's likely an offshoot of the conservative talking point that 47% of Americans don't pay income taxes. Which is true! But unfortunately, a lot of conservatives make the leap from there to claim that total tax burden isn't high enough on middle- and lower-income people (without taking into account things like sales and payroll taxes) and that either they should pay more taxes or we should slash social spending.

Moreover, as Ramesh Ponnuru wrote at National Review, it's just not helpful to base an ideology off the theory that there are too many "moochers" in society.

There is a certain plausibility to the claim that the more people fall off the income-tax rolls, the more will support federal activism. But there is a series of evidentiary hurdles that this claim cannot begin to overcome. There is no evidence that changes in the percentage of people who pay income tax has had any effect on public opinion, let alone a large one. The U.S. that began the Democrats’ 40-year reign in the House of Representatives in 1954 had roughly the same percentage of non-payers of income tax (24.9) as the U.S. that ended it in 1994 (24.4). A relatively large proportion of the citizenry paid income taxes in the early 1960s. It didn’t stop the Great Society from being enacted. The number of people who pay no income taxes moved up fast between 2006 and 2010, which has helped set off conservative alarms. But voters turned sharply right between the elections of those two years.

It would be a different conversation if we were to talk about the people whose livelihood actually depends on government social safety net programs. It's not 47% of people. "Entitlement spending," as broadly defined as a share of income, is only at 18% (though that has been rising in recent years). Romney could make the argument that that is too much, but that's not the argument he's making.


Source: New York Times

If there were truly 47% of Americans who believed that they were benefits of government programs and refused to vote for any politician who worked to curtail the welfare state, America would be in a precarious position. Romney's just wrong on the facts here.

There have been progressives writing that this is a moment that Romney is going to regret. It's possible - but it's not the case that the candidate was making grand claims about morality and government. He certainly seemed to be on a rambling rant where he is wrong on the merits of who pays, who benefits and, perhaps most of all, who's willing to vote on these issues.

A point could be made on the total progressivity of the taxes-and-transfers part of the federal budget. Ed Morrissey noted awhile ago that, during the recession, the average household now receives more in benefits than pays in taxes to the federal government. That's not to say, as Romney seemed to, that these households are dependent on the government or see government help as necessary to their livelihoods. The federal government does have, however, a progressive tax-and-transfer state that benefits a very large number of people.

"The 47% moment" has been seized upon this afternoon as some grand revelation about Mitt Romney's disdain for moochers and will likely be used to paint him as a kind of Ayn Rand Objectivist, turning his nose up at society's leeches and moochers. That's not the case; if the simplest explanation is the best, it's that Mitt Romney has his facts wrong based on some logical leaps involving the total number of federal income taxpayers.

UPDATE: As pointed out on Twitter, Ronald Reagan once bragged about his tax reform plan that would remove poor people from the income tax rolls. From a 1985 speech:

Another key component of our proposal is to provide America's families with a long overdue break by practically doubling the personal exemption. Indeed, our plan would drop virtually every poor family in America off the tax rolls entirely. And a working family with two or three children would pay less than a 10 percent income tax on its earnings well into the $25,000 to $30,000 range.

And he was right: President Reagan's Tax Reform Act of 1986 increased the personal exemption and standard deduction - measures that completely eliminated the income tax burden of some low-income filers.


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1 posted on 09/18/2012 3:37:18 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
According to the American Research Group, Obama leads Romney among voters under age 50 while Romney leads Obama among voters under age 50 and above. http://americanresearchgroup.com/. Seems the age of accountability and reason has bumped to 50 and older.

So what happened 50 years ago (1962)? What caused this change from a brave and ardent love of freedom to a weak acquiescence to socialist tyranny? How were children raised and educated after 1962 that caused this incredible shift? How did public schools go from education that included the Bible and prayer to socialist indoctrination run by socialist-loving teacher unions?

One may point to many reasons, but something socially, morally, and legally significant and catastrophic happened in 1962, and hardly anyone noticed it at the time. Engel v. Vitale, 370 U.S. 421 (1962), the famous “establishment” case of “separation of church and state,” outlawed prayer in public schools. As Justice Stewart wrote in his dissent, “the Court says that in permitting school children to say this simple prayer, the New York authorities have established ‘an official religion’” (Engel, 370 U.S. 421).

This is where misapplication of the establishment clause to create “separation of church and state” has taken us – to the brink of Marxist tyranny, the destruction of the freedoms protected by our Constitutional Republic, and economic collapse. The fact is, the First Amendment of the Constitution NEVER RESTRICTS FREE AND PEACEFUL RELIGIOUS EXERCISE in government, out of government, or anywhere else. The Constitution ONLY RESTRICTS THE STATE from either establishing religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

Many Christians are confused about this and have allowed the other side to dictate the terms and results in the fight for freedom. The issue today is not an establishment issue, not even close. The issue is the socialists’ use of a Jeffersonian metaphor (“separation of church and state”) in place of the text and meaning of the Constitution to push Christianity and Constitutional free exercise and expression out of government and public life. If God’s people at the foundation of our country were so timid about instilling the things of God in government, we never would have had, for example, the government buildings as well as monuments in Washington D.C. with scripture carved in stone. These artifacts as well as the Constitution itself testify against lie of “the separation of church and state” embraced by our popular culture.

The health of a government DEPENDS ON THE free exercise of religion evidenced by the history of America, probably the healthiest form of government in history. The Book of Revelation in the Bible begins with describing how God's presence is in the midst of his people, the church(es) (Rev. 1:12-3:22). It ends with a description of God's presence in the midst of His people, the holy city, the New Jerusalem (Rev 22:2). In the midst of God’s people is a "tree of life," the leaves of which are "for the healing of the nations."

We, the church, institutionally and individually, have God's life and healing so desperately needed in the nations including America. The history of our nation reflects a direct relationship between the involvement of God’s people in government as well as society, and the health of our country that has flourished with individual liberty. Separating the church from the state is like separating the doctor from the patient or the medicine from the wounded. It’s up to God’s people to muster the courage and resolve to get this medicine back into the bloodstream of the dying patient.

2 posted on 09/18/2012 3:40:05 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: Kaslin

The MSM is doing their best to try to make this the game breaking gaffe.

The sad truth is Romney is correct.


3 posted on 09/18/2012 3:50:36 AM PDT by Vinnie (A)
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To: PapaNew

This is exactly what we are facing. Romney is absolutely right in his assessment. Unless we can convince some of the 47% that the right thing to do is to vote responsibly for Romney, we, as a nation, are doomed! We are on the verge of abject socialism-marxism. Yes, it is nice to get a nice gov’t check at the expense of other hard working people, but for the sake of our country and our children stop this now and vote for free enterprise!


4 posted on 09/18/2012 3:51:02 AM PDT by 2nd Amendment
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To: PapaNew

Great and informative post. Thanks for posting


5 posted on 09/18/2012 3:51:36 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin
I had to turn Romney off last night

What a colorless fool

At least explained his lofty goal. To get 50.1% of the vote by aiming his campaign at 4% of the electorate who are “undecided”

How inspiring. He puts the fate of our nation in the hands of 4% of the people who are such idiots they cannot decide who to vote for, or are going to vote for obama and are ashamed to admit it

With our nation in grave peril, he showed less passion than a man arguing to the city council why he should be allowed to trim the trees on his lot

6 posted on 09/18/2012 3:52:14 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: PapaNew

I wonder if that number includes people who are on Social Security. If so, I bet there are many who do not support the current Administration.


7 posted on 09/18/2012 3:53:29 AM PDT by kempster
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To: Vinnie

Time for Team Romney to step up and drive this home. It’s the perfect opportunity to say that there’s no other explanation for people supporting a President who’s presiding over an economy of high unemployment, $4-plus gas prices and a foreign policy that is literally in flames in all the places where he and his Secretary of State actively supported the forces now attacking our embassies.


8 posted on 09/18/2012 3:54:16 AM PDT by Dahoser (Separation of church and state? No, we need separation of media and state.)
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To: Kaslin

Now cast your votes sheeeeeeeple!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekQSpbwKkdg&list=PL08FD35E184A24E7F&index=0&feature=plcp


9 posted on 09/18/2012 3:55:56 AM PDT by gotribe (WTF?)
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To: Kaslin

Until we discover a cure for stupidity, we will be in this predicament for a long time.


10 posted on 09/18/2012 3:59:10 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: 2nd Amendment
"Unless we can convince some of the 47% that the right thing to do is to vote responsibly for Romney, we, as a nation, are doomed!"

Who is “we”? Did you watch Romney's “speech” last night? He is not trying to convince those people. He concedes them to obama. His goal is to reach the 4% that still claim to be undecided. His goal is 50.1% of the vote. Set low goals and maybe you'll achieve them? Romney is flawed as a politician. Deeply flawed. A colorless passionless man. The glow his wife tried to give him at the convention, to show him as more than a Stepford politician, is fading I can't imagine many of us will be voting for Romney. At best we will be voting against obama. God help our nation.

11 posted on 09/18/2012 3:59:17 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: Kaslin
It's likely an offshoot of the conservative talking point that 47% of Americans don't pay income taxes. Which is true! But unfortunately, a lot of conservatives make the leap from there to claim that total tax burden isn't high enough on middle- and lower-income people (without taking into account things like sales and payroll taxes) and that either they should pay more taxes or we should slash social spending.

Contrary to the author's assertion that the 47% not paying federal income taxes does not translate to 'on the government dole,' I completely disagree. NOT having to pay income taxes, moreover the large percentage of this 47% actually getting ETIC money back they never paid in, is 'on the government dole' in my book.

They simply are not paying their fair share for the expense of running the government, wasteful as it is.

I was in Walmart a couple of weeks ago. Two heifers with kids were blocking the produce aisle talking about deals, etc. As they parted, one said to the other "we have to stick together until November". The dumb one said "what?" ...the other said "you know, until the election". Both later checked out with WICs certificates and EBT cards - paid not one red cent for a full cart of groceries. These are the 47%.

12 posted on 09/18/2012 3:59:57 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: kempster
Yes, the 47% does include those on SS. But I believe a lot more than 50% of those know better than to ride the bridge to 'no where' and will vote against that incompent clown in the White House.
13 posted on 09/18/2012 4:01:34 AM PDT by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: Kaslin

Our media loves to attack Romney for telling the truth. Romney was right to condemn the Cairo apology after our embassy flag was torn down and replaced with the al Quaida flag. The lame-streams did everything they could to protect Zero by going after Romney.

Once again Romney is being attacked for telling the truth. Obama has purposely created dependence on government to get votes. These 47% will vote for the guy who gives them free stuff. And it is Zero who looks at these people with contempt, not Romney. By making people dependent on government hand-outs, he is the architect of keeping people existing just above the poverty line, never aspiring for anything better.


14 posted on 09/18/2012 4:01:36 AM PDT by ShovelThemOut
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To: All
Oops...

incompent = incompetent

'morning fingers'

15 posted on 09/18/2012 4:03:12 AM PDT by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: Kaslin

It was poorly stated and thus a gaffe. Retirees and those out of work are not lost to obama. What politician in their right mind writes off 47 percent of the vote?

What romney better say is that he has a plan to get americans working again. There are people in the 47 percent not by choice and are there because of obama. He has to get the focus on obama’s screwups and motivate people to his side - not attack them.


16 posted on 09/18/2012 4:06:23 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: PapaNew

I would tell Romney that a good leader CAN peel off a good percentage of that 47% if he can paint a picture of a better life in an America with a revitalized economy. There will always be moochers, but there are people who have lost hope too, and a good leader can flip those.

Dumb generalization. Reagan would have used that same stat to pivot toward his shining city on a hill.


17 posted on 09/18/2012 4:07:27 AM PDT by Puddleglum
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To: Kaslin

The worst thing that could come from all this is for the Rats to put an ad together with some person saying “I don’t pay taxes and I’m voting for Romney.”

This changes nothing. Intelligent people have already made up their minds and will vote for Romney.


18 posted on 09/18/2012 4:07:41 AM PDT by ILS21R (The time is nigh.)
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To: Vinnie

the MSM and the Obama campaign are going to go to town on this.. you aren’t going to be able to count all the sad stories of individual people and families who are getting some kind of government help because of no fault of their own and how Mitt Romney thinks they are all mooching bumbs... you can bet there will be loads of disabled veterans and old sick people popping up all over the Obama ads saying if it wasn’t for the government they would be living on the streets or dead... it’s not going to be pretty


19 posted on 09/18/2012 4:09:21 AM PDT by Lib-Lickers 2
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To: silverleaf
"I had to turn Romney off last night."

Same here. I can't take him anymore and I may sit this one out (election)
Our great country is going to collapse economically real soon. We can't keep spending money we don't have.
It might just be better if ZERO is in when it happens and HE gets the blame.
Meanwhile Deacon is buying precious metals. . . . . . . The precious metals will be sitting on (dry) Gunpowder.

20 posted on 09/18/2012 4:10:01 AM PDT by DeaconRed (Deacon sees the handwriting on the wall and is buying precious metals sitting on top of dry powder.)
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To: Kaslin

Agree with’s Romney’s point but I think there are 2-3 percent who are still the “proud poor” like boxer Jimmie Braddock who took welfare in he Great Depression only until he got work then paid it all vack to th welfare office!


21 posted on 09/18/2012 4:10:58 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: PapaNew

Couldn’t agree more. See my chapter in “What Would the Founders Say?”


22 posted on 09/18/2012 4:13:02 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: Kaslin
Our forefathers warned us about this. Their hope was placed in the Senate being the supposed wiseman of the politicians. They would check the "ignorance" of the masses.

That hasn't worked out so well.

23 posted on 09/18/2012 4:15:01 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: DeaconRed

Thanks Deacon for giving us 4 more years of DESTRUCTION by Obama.....hope you will be SO proud of yourself.


24 posted on 09/18/2012 4:16:19 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: silverleaf

I hope you are happy when that arrogant pos occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave gets reelected


25 posted on 09/18/2012 4:24:30 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Gaffer
NOT having to pay income taxes, moreover the large percentage of this 47% actually getting ETIC money back they never paid in, is 'on the government dole' in my book.

You forgot...

* The 10% Bracket
* Additional Child Tax Credit

The 10% was GWB's, The ACTC I am not sure, EIC was Reagan. All good intentions, to lift people out of poverty by reducing their tax burden.

No one wants to say it, but tax the Rich? Heck how many are not paying anything that vote and don't have a "stake" in the balancing of the budget or that we are becoming "bread and circus's"..........

26 posted on 09/18/2012 4:28:13 AM PDT by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: silverleaf
From your profile...

"Try being a Republican in Maryland."

'Republican in Maryland', isn't that an oxymoron?!?

You really sound like a 'Maryland Republican!'

27 posted on 09/18/2012 4:28:21 AM PDT by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: taildragger
Actually, you can thank Richard Milhouse Nixon for the EITC.

Lifting someone out of poverty is something quite different than perpetually enslaving them by letting them become slothful and lazy by subsidizing their bad behavior in return for a Democrat vote.

"Lifting" implies that they eventually should get training, a job, and end up paying taxes instead of consuming them.

28 posted on 09/18/2012 4:33:20 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Kaslin

On the one hand, we have Romney decrying the FACT that too many are dependent on government largess.

On the other hand, we have Obama claiming “you didn’t build that...”

Anyone see the hypocrisy here?


29 posted on 09/18/2012 4:34:45 AM PDT by Paisan
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To: Kaslin

The 47% are the lower class. The 11% are the upper class. The remaining 42% are the middle class? If that is the case, Obama has really shrunk the middle class while expanding the Antie Zetuni and Uncle Obongo class.


30 posted on 09/18/2012 4:35:27 AM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: DeaconRed; silverleaf
Dittos. I feel the same way. Let Barry, and the Rats own this. Throw the Repub’s in for there help in this debacle. A true opposition party that has the guts to state the truth, and what they believe has been nonexistent in American politics for decades. Another 4 years of our “Betters” running our country into the ground might just do it.

MCB

31 posted on 09/18/2012 4:36:11 AM PDT by MotorCityBuck ( Keep the change, you filthy animal! ,)
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To: Kaslin; All

I agree with Romney about the numbers and have been saying it all along. Sadly, Obama is going to win because those that are on the Govt dole, ALL VOTE. There are over 46 million people getting food stamps and this Government is running ads to get more people; something in the order of $3 million ad campaign to promote the Food Stamps program.

There are 24% of the population that is not eligible to vote by age, 13% that are non-US that can’t vote (unless they live in Chicago) and the 2008 voter turnout was 57% percent. This adds up to more people in the Obama camp, and too many Americans that just don’t care what happens.

This isn’t a “doom and gloom” post, its simple math.... we are going to lose on Nov. 6th unless there’s some huge October surprise.


32 posted on 09/18/2012 4:36:52 AM PDT by Heff (Half this country is that stupid.)
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To: Kaslin; All

I agree with Romney about the numbers and have been saying it all along. Sadly, Obama is going to win because those that are on the Govt dole, ALL VOTE. There are over 46 million people getting food stamps and this Government is running ads to get more people; something in the order of $3 million ad campaign to promote the Food Stamps program.

There are 24% of the population that is not eligible to vote by age, 13% that are non-US that can’t vote (unless they live in Chicago) and the 2008 voter turnout was 57% percent. This adds up to more people in the Obama camp, and too many Americans that just don’t care what happens.

This isn’t a “doom and gloom” post, its simple math.... we are going to lose on Nov. 6th unless there’s some huge October surprise.


33 posted on 09/18/2012 4:36:55 AM PDT by Heff (Half this country is that stupid.)
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To: Kaslin

Romney was dead right.

Its the fleas vs the dog.


34 posted on 09/18/2012 4:37:25 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Kaslin

I said this on another Post last night and I say it again today. If “You didn’t build that” didn’t sink Obama, this will not sink Romney. Obama is still alive, in the race and polling even with Romney, even after alllllllll of his boneheaded statements and missteps of the last 4 years. THIS TOO SHALL PASS (IN 2 OR 3 DAYS).


35 posted on 09/18/2012 4:37:25 AM PDT by Cherokeesquaw
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To: Kaslin
I won't be happy and I will not take responsibility for Romney's failure if he loses. Or for the miserable GOP establishment that forced a flawed candidate like Romney into the nomination at this critical time in our nation' s history, as if money raising was the prime character qualification for a nominee.

a political party that is so flawed it can't beat a failure like obama, has no credibility to continue to exist.
I agree with Laura Ingraham on this

This election is Romney''s to lose. Not anyone else's. If you can't get the dogs to play with the guy after tying a pork chop around his neck, don't blame the dogs.

Many of us will, with sadness trepidation and resignation, try to help this stiff achieve his self-proclaimed lofty goal of getting of getting 50.1% of the vote.

But we can say on this forum that it's creamed spinach and we don't have to act like we are awed by it.

36 posted on 09/18/2012 4:37:25 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: harpu

thanks for hating me for who you think I am..your tag is ironic


37 posted on 09/18/2012 4:38:47 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: harpu; All

Post #13 is right on. And don’t forget, folks, Soc. Sec. also is the umbrella for “Disability”. Some folks are truly disabled but many on “Disability” are NOT really disabled. You can get disability for being too overweight to get a job or for being “bi-polar” because of drug abuse in your 20’s and 30’s. The SS umbrella covers more than just old folks. And a lot of people getting SS do NOT vote.


38 posted on 09/18/2012 4:46:31 AM PDT by Cherokeesquaw
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To: silverleaf

“...I can’t imagine many of us will be voting for Romney.”

What do you mean, ‘us’? You do not speak for me. I am a patriot and am a proud American. A vote against BO is a vote against evil and for preservation of the United States.


39 posted on 09/18/2012 4:46:42 AM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: silverleaf

the problem is that the media is actively campaigning for Obama. The public does not know nor do they think he’s a failure because the media isn’t telling us the truth. It’s always the fault of the white guy while he “relaxes” and plays basketball, golfs more that a PGA player and parties with hip hop and hollywierd moguls.. The deck is stacked and it’ll get worse before it gets better. It’s has never been about who is correct, it’s always been about who can get 50.1 and it will be like that until the union is dissolved.


40 posted on 09/18/2012 4:47:01 AM PDT by newnhdad (Where will you be during the Election Riots of 2012/2013?)
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To: harpu; All

Post #13 is right on. And don’t forget, folks, Soc. Sec. also is the umbrella for “Disability”. Some folks are truly disabled but many on “Disability” are NOT really disabled. You can get disability for being too overweight to get a job or for being “bi-polar” because of drug abuse in your 20’s and 30’s. The SS umbrella covers more than just old folks. And a lot of people getting SS do NOT vote.


41 posted on 09/18/2012 4:47:21 AM PDT by Cherokeesquaw
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To: Ann Archy
“...giving us 4 more years of DESTRUCTION by Obama...”

The sad fact is that it wont be just 4 more years. With two or three more radical liberals on the USSC it will be closer to 40 more years!

I could see that commie bastard appointing Lizzy ‘fakesquaw’ Warren, Jenny Grandmole, Eric Holder,...

42 posted on 09/18/2012 4:51:41 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Ann Archy

Exactly... All you people who are threatening to sit the election out just because Mitt isnt the perfect candidate...Just remember, you’re helping the Left destroy America, and you will be held every bit as accountable as the scumbags who vote for them.


43 posted on 09/18/2012 4:57:31 AM PDT by HailReagan78
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To: Heff

You said: “those that are on the Govt dole, ALL VOTE”....

NO THEY DO NOT!!! Some are truly needy people who are geographically stable. But, many of them move every 3 months or are staying with family or friends. Some are getting disability because of past drug use and they are diagnosed as “bi-polar”. They have very unstable lifestyles and are not even registered to vote. Same goes for many of the Welfare crowd who are just sorry and lazy and have no interest in voting or any other civic duty. All they care about is having enough money for their “40 ouncer” and their marijuana and someone to raise bail money to get them out of jail every 2 or 3 months.

If everyone on the Govt. Dole voted, there would never be another President other than a Liberal Democrat.


44 posted on 09/18/2012 4:57:46 AM PDT by Cherokeesquaw
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To: ShovelThemOut

“By making people dependent on government hand-outs, he is the architect of keeping people existing just above the poverty line, never aspiring for anything better.”

The sad part is, a certain percentage of the population is just fine with that. The “very unskilled” know they’re not ever going to be paid a decent wage wihtout great effort on their part and they know they can do okay by scamming the system and making a little cash off the books.


45 posted on 09/18/2012 5:11:37 AM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: PapaNew

So what happened 50 years ago (1962)?
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Some of the ‘major happenings’ SINCE 1962...
THE GREAT SOCIETY
Reclassifying Drunkeness and Drug Use from self abuse to a Disease.
Declaring that car in your driveway that takes YOU to work everyday was NOT worth defending because it was a replaceable machine, not something as important as the SLUG THAT STOLE IT rather than get his own job.

Saw something on one of the ‘judge shows’ (daytime TV - which by the way are overrun with BO ads, can imagine what the screaming shows get) which apparently had some 25yo with a few kids saying she was drawing 900 a week SSI because of work related stress????I thought she meant per month but when Judy(??) questioned her (calmly at first) she said 3600 a month.. Almost cost me a TV....

As mentioned before, Johnny and Janey were running for Class President...Janey worked for every vote she was trying to get, while Johnny sat on his butt.
The day of the election, in final speech, Janey told all she would do for the class etc...
Johnny got up and said “If elected, there will be FREE ICE CREAM for lunch EVERY day”.

Johnny won in a landslide, even Janie voted for him.

Keep the freebies coming, let Mitt blow another sure thing and we get stuck with BO another four dreadful years....


46 posted on 09/18/2012 5:14:28 AM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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To: Gaffer

One of Nixon’s many “gifts” to this country. One of the many reasons I have hope for our country is that we survived the ten disastrous years of the Johnson and Nixon presidencies - at least so far.


47 posted on 09/18/2012 5:15:07 AM PDT by p. henry
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

You mentioned that you are voting against obama, not that you are voting for Romney.

Same here.

I rest my case

and may the least worst guy win


48 posted on 09/18/2012 5:15:59 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: silverleaf; 2nd Amendment

“He is not trying to convince those people. He concedes them to obama.”

Actually what everyone is mussing is that regardless of what the real numbers are, everyone knows there are moochers and no one self identifies with that group. It’s not me, it’s my lazy brother in law... Every body sees the problem and it’s not them.

This will probably help Mitt. It’s kind of like class envy in reverse.


49 posted on 09/18/2012 5:21:16 AM PDT by babygene
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To: silverleaf

You rest your case?

WTF are you talking about? Mitt Romney is a good man.

Take your snark elsewhere.


50 posted on 09/18/2012 5:21:54 AM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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