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Black Activist Urges Schools to Change Names from White Segregationist President

Posted on 10/05/2012 4:09:16 PM PDT by rkoliver

Black Activist Urges Schools to Change Names from White Segregationist President

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact Ted Hayes 424-222-6010 ted@tedhayes.us

LOS ANGELES – Ted Hayes, homeless activist and host of the weekly radio talk show America’s Black Shield on WNJC 1360-AM in Philadelphia (www.wnjc1360.com ), is calling for for the School Districts of Portsmouth, Virginia and Peoria, Illinois to change the names of the Woodrow Wilson High School and the Woodrow Wilson Primary School, respectively, from a white segregationist U.S. president to a name that will honor a figure in the civil rights struggle for Descendants of Chattel Slaves (African Americans).

“It amazes me that these two schools with majority African-American populations would ask their African American students to honor, to respect, and to be proud of a president who for the first time in U.S. history segregated the federal government,” says Hayes.

Hayes also says that Americans, especially African Americans, assume that Woodrow Wilson was an advocate for civil rights for African Americans. He says it has been throughly documented that assumption it is not true at all.

For example, the November 30, 2009 issue of Reason Magazine reported:

“Upon taking power in Washington, Wilson and the many other Southerners he brought into his cabinet were disturbed at the way the federal government went about its own business. One legacy of post-Civil War Republican ascendancy was that Washington's large black populace had access to federal jobs, and worked with whites in largely integrated circumstances. Wilson's cabinet put an end to that, bringing Jim Crow to Washington.

“Wilson allowed various officials to segregate the toilets, cafeterias, and work areas of their departments. One justification involved health: White government workers had to be protected from contagious diseases, especially venereal diseases, that racists imagined were being spread by blacks. In extreme cases, federal officials built separate structures to house black workers. Most black diplomats were replaced by whites; numerous black federal officials in the South were removed from their posts; the local Washington police force and fire department stopped hiring blacks. Wilson's own view, as he expressed it to intimates, was that federal segregation was an act of kindness.” (http://reason.com/blog/2009/11/30/woodrow-wilsons-legacy)

Hayes also says: “Woodrow Wilson to this day is a hero to the Democratic Party, the party in which almost 90% of black people adhere to. It astounds me that this political party who claims to have always fought for civil rights for Descendants of Chattel Slaves (‘For more than 200 years, our party has led the fight for civil rights…’ -- http://www.democrats.org/about/our_history) would have this white supremacist and segregationist U.S. president as a ‘hero’ today. Why should black students regard and respect this white supremacist and segregationist as a hero?”

Hayes also says there is precedent for a name change for an educational institution from that of a racist governor of the state of California to the first African-American school principal in San Francisco in 2011 (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/19/peter-burnett-school_n_864489.html)

Therefore Hayes appeals to the common sense and justice to the communities of Portsmouth and Peoria to “make it right.”

Ted Hayes is a Homeless Activist, Host of America’s Black Shield on WNJC 1360-AM in Philadelphia, PA, and author of the book The Other Side of the Pyramid (http://www.amazon.com/The-Other-Side-Pyramid/dp/0615547990). Ted’s website is www.tedhayes.us

. His email is ted@tedhayes.us.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Illinois; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: chat; namesake; presidents; purge; racism; segregation; vanity; wilson; woodrowwilson
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1 posted on 10/05/2012 4:09:24 PM PDT by rkoliver
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To: rkoliver

Maybe they should consider changing it to Margaret Sanger High School.


2 posted on 10/05/2012 4:12:29 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: rkoliver
For once, I agree with the activists.

Woodrow Wilson was likely the most dangerous and destructive President this nation has ever seen.

That's saying something, considering what FDR, LBJ, Jimmy Carter and Obama did.

3 posted on 10/05/2012 4:15:53 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Farmer Dean

Actually we should applaud this black activist.
He is simply stating what many of us on FR know;
the rat party is the party of discrimination, racsim,
and segregation. Wilson was one of the worse. “Progressive” indeed.


4 posted on 10/05/2012 4:18:50 PM PDT by Maine Mariner
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To: rkoliver

Ted Hayes is a conservative.


5 posted on 10/05/2012 4:19:06 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: rkoliver

It is common for a conquering people to change place names bearing the names of vanquished leaders.


6 posted on 10/05/2012 4:20:31 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Signalman

Hayes has been out there taking fire for standing with the Minutemen.


7 posted on 10/05/2012 4:20:45 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: rkoliver

I agree- Wilson was a nasty tyrant, and was no friend to black people.


8 posted on 10/05/2012 4:22:53 PM PDT by oblomov
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To: rkoliver

Black activists: before you name it, build it.


9 posted on 10/05/2012 4:23:57 PM PDT by Tuanedge (Warriors victorious in a hundred battles, flee when a tiger enters their tent.)
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To: rkoliver
Wilson and LBJ need to be scrutinized by the Black Community. Both of them were racist to the bone and acted as such. LBJ's actions were not done for caring for the plight of blacks, he just wanted the power of the voting to stay in the Democratic party. Wilson fired any black near him and LBJ just referred to all of them as ni++ers.
10 posted on 10/05/2012 4:24:38 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: rkoliver

Black Activist, a president in training and who really cares about a dead presidents name on a school....nit picking just like the muslims..


11 posted on 10/05/2012 4:27:12 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: rkoliver

It was under Wilson that the Federal Reserve got their foot in the door.


12 posted on 10/05/2012 4:28:31 PM PDT by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

Foreign bankers behind the Fed I should say


13 posted on 10/05/2012 4:29:34 PM PDT by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: elkfersupper

More people should be made aware of Wilson’s real track record. All I learned about him in school was his desire to found the League of Nations.


14 posted on 10/05/2012 4:35:13 PM PDT by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: rkoliver

funny how most blacks have no idea that the party of the , anti civil rights were Dems or even MLK was a republican.

Most blacks just go and vote after being told by their paid off pastor


15 posted on 10/05/2012 4:39:03 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: rkoliver

Oh my God! I hope our Racist in Cheif is proud of himself!


16 posted on 10/05/2012 4:41:18 PM PDT by Ohiobelle
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To: rkoliver

N.B. Forrest High School? How about Lester Maddox High?

I’ve got it. Name them after Bill Clinton’s mentor, governor Orval Faubus. He was a firm believer in quality education.


17 posted on 10/05/2012 4:44:52 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: rkoliver
I am pretty sure this is the Ted Hayes who was a homeless advocate for many years here in Florida.I found myself in agreement with him, most of the time.

He showed a great deal of wisdom, and offered plain old good common sense solutions to many supposedly “difficult issues”.

IMHO, whenever he speaks on a topic, it is always worthwhile to listen to his viewpoint.

18 posted on 10/05/2012 4:45:06 PM PDT by sarasmom
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To: married21

Yeah, the schools don’t mention Wilson’s little civilian KGB. My great grandmother said that people didn’t speak ill of Wilson outside their homes for fear of being arrested.


19 posted on 10/05/2012 4:49:10 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: elkfersupper

“Woodrow Wilson was likely the most dangerous and destructive President this nation has ever seen.”

I’m curious. Seduce me with your wares.


20 posted on 10/05/2012 5:18:00 PM PDT by Condor 63
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To: rkoliver

I agree, and they should change the name to Warren G. Harding school to honor the Republican President who was the first to have African-Americans to dinner at the White House.


21 posted on 10/05/2012 5:19:39 PM PDT by Argus
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To: elkfersupper

The only reason why I’d be reluctant to open that particular door is because of the (strong) possibility of the dhimmicrats changing the name to Brack Hussein Øbama high school.


22 posted on 10/05/2012 5:27:56 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: rkoliver

The Symphia M’kinny Skool


23 posted on 10/05/2012 5:34:07 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Obamaspeak: An army of pompous phrases marching across the landscape in search of an idea.)
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To: rkoliver

I have to agree.

Wilson’s name should be stricken from all schools, libraries, monuments, etc.

Plus he got us into a war we had no business being in.


24 posted on 10/05/2012 5:54:19 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: rkoliver

That should read DEMOCRAT President.


25 posted on 10/05/2012 6:23:00 PM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

The demand for a Reserve bank had been loud from the Western states particularly subject with dismaying frequency to the monetary control of the Easter Money Center Banks. Farmers were regularly busted out by their mortgages being called by banks subject to demands of the East. Plus, the deflation almost always associated with the gold standard crushed those borrowing money.

There is no real alternative to a Central Bank in a modern economy, superstition aside.


26 posted on 10/05/2012 6:29:57 PM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: elkfersupper
Ted Hayes isn't exactly a leftist activist.

Rebel Evolution (Raw Sound Version)

27 posted on 10/05/2012 6:47:55 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: rkoliver

Well, let’s not stop there. Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Patrick Henry should all be banished and outlawed. Most American history up until at least 1965 is tainted with evil white people.


28 posted on 10/05/2012 6:51:35 PM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: rkoliver

at last we can have an Orville Faubus high school or maybe a George Wallace middle school. Don’t these jackasses realize that ALL segregation was Democrat inspired...ALL ku klux klan members were Democrats....pathetic


29 posted on 10/05/2012 7:34:26 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: Argus

I was going to suggest renaming it after Harding because he went to the Deep South as President and made a speech attacking racial discrimination. I did not know about him inviting black Americans to dinner at the White House. Teddy Roosevelt had Booker T. Washington to lunch at the White House (and got a lot of criticism for doing so, I believe).


30 posted on 10/05/2012 7:45:35 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: rkoliver

Where’s the link?


31 posted on 10/05/2012 7:54:42 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: arrogantsob
The demand for a Reserve bank had been loud from the Western states particularly subject with dismaying frequency to the monetary control of the Easter Money Center Banks. Farmers were regularly busted out by their mortgages being called by banks subject to demands of the East. Plus, the deflation almost always associated with the gold standard crushed those borrowing money.

So you think the endless boom-bust cycles (including the Great Depression) and the inflation slavery of the Federal Reserve system is preferable to a little deflation now and then.

There is no real alternative to a Central Bank in a modern economy, superstition aside.

It looks to me like there are five issues that the people need a debt-based society for (things they have to borrow for or want the government to provide a safety net for).

Homes

Personal transportation

Retirement

College/Retraining/Unemployment Insurance

Health care

I think a system could be set up where the consumer would not have to borrow for these things thus making banks for the average consumer not needed. It would work by establishing an account when a person is born, dividing into these five categories, and letting the accounts grow by investing in the nation's businesses, and then having a schedule set up where the investment returns are distributed to each citizen for life's needs (upgrade to homes every ten years, upgrade personal transportation every 5 years, etc). Each citizen would be free to add into the system to have better-than-average upgrades, etc.

All fiat currencies fail and when our dollar fails it'll be much worse than a little deflation. Our enemies will use the occasion of our currency failure to enslave us even worse than the Federal Reserve has since the Wilson administration. It's part of the grand plan.

32 posted on 10/06/2012 8:03:57 AM PDT by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

You really should study a little NON-crackpot history before making such sweeping statements. Should you do so you will find than not only were there frequent deep depressions throughout the 19th century. Added to them were regular financial “panics”. These raised havoc with the economy and life in the U.S.

In fact, it was PRECISELY because of the frequency and destructiveness of such events that there was a loud and long demand from farmers and Westerners for a Reserve Banking system. They were tired of being wiped out arbitrarily by the Money Center Banks back East.

Panics were sometimes stopped when the bankers, under the leadership of J.P. Morgan, stepped in and used their financial power to provide sufficient liquidity to handle the runs on banks. It was only after he died that these financiers and bankers realized that some other means of handling these disturbances would have to be found.

The Money Center Banks had opposed a Reserve Bank (because it diminished their power) for decades only changing their minds after the death of Morgan. There was no giant conspiracy. This was a Populist demand.

Nor is there any natural tendency towards inflation posed by central banking. Rather than “a little deflation” which you fantasize existed there was persistent and severe deflation caused by the lack of money, not to mention the complications caused to the bi-metallic system we were on when the ratio of gold to silver was upset by discoveries of one metal or the other. From 1814-49 the wholesale price index fell 55%, only the discovery of gold in California inflated the economy out of the depression.

In order for the economy to grow at an acceptable level it has to have a money supply which grows at least at 3% per year. Since the discovery of the New World the average rate of growth of the gold and silver supply has been LESS than 1.2% i.e. a persistent deflation. And this growth rate INCLUDES the massive supplies brought into Europe in the 16th century.

The term “fiat” currency is not particularly informative since that does not describe the money we use. No matter how many government “fiats” are proclaimed they cannot make currency valuable if the people do not believe it to be so.
It really is a “faith” currency and that faith is sustained by the ability to purchase things with that currency.

Since the creation of the Federal Reserve the American consumer has seen a dramatic increase in his living standards and is able to purchase and own things which Kings of old could not afford.

Central banking, like all human activities, has not always been directed by right-minded directors but that does not indicate in any way that it is an inappropriate institution or one in opposition to the needs of the citizens.


33 posted on 10/06/2012 12:23:21 PM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: arrogantsob
You really should study a little NON-crackpot history before making such sweeping statements. Should you do so you will find than not only were there frequent deep depressions throughout the 19th century. Added to them were regular financial “panics”. These raised havoc with the economy and life in the U.S.

We went without the foreign bankers from the Jackson Administration to the Wilson Administration. During this time we added most of the western states to our nation, built the railroads, went from a wood and horse based society to an iron and steel industrial based society. We did just fine without the en-slavers. We had one depression due to a gold ship sinking, an anomaly. The other slow-downs were survivable. Now with the Federal Reserve System, we face the collapse of our nation with the collapse of our dollar.

In fact, it was PRECISELY because of the frequency and destructiveness of such events that there was a loud and long demand from farmers and Westerners for a Reserve Banking system. They were tired of being wiped out arbitrarily by the Money Center Banks back East.

Now we face the collapse of our nation with the collapse of our dollar. That was not a problem before the Federal Reserve system.

Panics were sometimes stopped when the bankers, under the leadership of J.P. Morgan, stepped in and used their financial power to provide sufficient liquidity to handle the runs on banks. It was only after he died that these financiers and bankers realized that some other means of handling these disturbances would have to be found.

In between the Jackson and the Wilson Administrations, the international bankers, whom JP Morgan was their agent, conspired to get their foot back into the door. It's the old trick of causing the problem and then coming up with a solution to fool the people into thinking they couldn't go without them. You see it today. We over-regulate with Dodd-Frank causing financial duress, so the enemies of freedom blame freedom and call for more regulation.

The Money Center Banks had opposed a Reserve Bank (because it diminished their power) for decades only changing their minds after the death of Morgan. There was no giant conspiracy. This was a Populist demand.

Most of the big-money opposition to the Federal Reserve were killed on the so-called Titanic Disaster, the White Star line being part of the JP Morgan empire. Morgan was supposed to be on that ship that day but missed it due to "illness". While the big opposition of the Federal Reserve were drowning in the Atlantic, Morgan was went down to the south of France. Populist demand gave us Obama, so that's meaningless.

Nor is there any natural tendency towards inflation posed by central banking.

You've got to be kidding. Gold is still $20 an ounce?

Rather than “a little deflation” which you fantasize existed there was persistent and severe deflation caused by the lack of money,...

Looks like to me we did just fine. We advanced nicely from the Jackson Administration to the Wilson Administration.

...not to mention the complications caused to the bi-metallic system we were on when the ratio of gold to silver was upset by discoveries of one metal or the other. From 1814-49 the wholesale price index fell 55%, only the discovery of gold in California inflated the economy out of the depression.

I agree we need to pick just one: gold.

In order for the economy to grow at an acceptable level it has to have a money supply which grows at least at 3% per year.

Only for a debt-based economy. We need to get away from a debt-based economy.

Since the discovery of the New World the average rate of growth of the gold and silver supply has been LESS than 1.2% i.e. a persistent deflation. And this growth rate INCLUDES the massive supplies brought into Europe in the 16th century.

Like I keep saying, we did just fine between Jackson and Wilson. How do you explain the growth of our nation in that time?

The term “fiat” currency is not particularly informative since that does not describe the money we use. No matter how many government “fiats” are proclaimed they cannot make currency valuable if the people do not believe it to be so. It really is a “faith” currency and that faith is sustained by the ability to purchase things with that currency.

Fiat currencies are not back by anything tangible and they all fail. Do you think it's healthy to have our national debt more than our GDP? That always happens under a fiat currency, the printing presses go wild enslaving the rest of us.

Since the creation of the Federal Reserve the American consumer has seen a dramatic increase in his living standards and is able to purchase and own things which Kings of old could not afford.

This increase has been due to increases in productivity, not due to the Federal Reserve. There hasn't been hardly any increase in standard of living since the dollar went totally off gold under Nixon.

Central banking, like all human activities, has not always been directed by right-minded directors but that does not indicate in any way that it is an inappropriate institution or one in opposition to the needs of the citizens.

When the value of dollar starts racing toward zero, I'll have to see what you've got to say about it.

34 posted on 10/06/2012 4:48:07 PM PDT by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Argus

Actually that would be Theodore Roosevelt.


35 posted on 10/06/2012 4:58:20 PM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: Delhi Rebels

Let’s compromise and name it after Coolidge.


36 posted on 10/06/2012 6:22:52 PM PDT by Argus
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

I don’t know if I have the time to address all the falsehoods you believe but I will try.

1) foreign (read JEW) bankers do not control the U.S. economy and never did but foreign bankers had far more influence over it before the Federal Reserve was established.

Because of its control of the gold reserves through the discount rate the Bank of England determined much of what happened in America while the lunatic Jackson was attacking the National Bank. He appealed to the most ignorant of voters, a typical Democrat class warrior, and, naturally, implemented the most ignorant policies.

His destruction of the 2d National Bank set off a decade of currency chaos (Wildcat Banking, shinplasters, worthless state-chartered bank currency) which was only relieved by the discovery of gold in California.

2) Our dollar is not collapsing. You are confusing 2% with 2000%, a natural mistake if you don’t pay attention.

3) J.P. Morgan was the major financial figure for decades before the Federal Reserve. He did not need it to exercise control. Besides he was near death when it was created and the recognition that he was not immortal spurred its creation to take his role.

4) American growth during the first half of the 19th century was largely fueled by British capital investing in railroads. The U.S. ran a persistent balance of payments deficit during this period. This infrastructure investment (of which we were not capable even with a central bank) allowed the transportation revolution which opened up the heartland to foreign trade. Hamilton’s policies had made America a trusted place for investment.

5) When even icebergs are part of the conspiracy you may as well surrender.

6) Gold is a valuable and rare commodity with many uses which cannot be reproduced so it costs a lot of money. But it can buy you many more interesting things. It can’t be used as money because of its rarity and its non-monetary uses. It never will be again.

7) You are not describing economic conditions accurately if you believe we were “fine” under Jackson. We were far from it and were mired in the worst depression until the Great Depression as I have told you. Study the real history of he period. It is filled with class conflict, strikes, riots, and immense suffering. Largely because the money supply was either too low or too concentrated in the East or both.

8) Debt is an inextricable and necessary element of capitalist economics. Without debt growth becomes very difficult.

9) Gold supplies are insufficiently elastic to accommodate a growing economy and I showed you the figures, even though you ignored them. That is the reason gold will never again be a monetary instrument.

10) Currency values are determined by what they can buy and the dollar buys plenty.

11) Our currency and our debt have remained highly sought after from the time Hamilton established our financial system, one of the greatest works of genius in financial history. THIS system was one of the biggest reasons our economy grew and expanded during the 19th century. Our strength and power was thanks to Hamilton fought every step of the way by the Class Warriors.

12) Living standards IN REALITY have gone up during the 20th century until the last four years. Now compared to some calculated index it may not have but when viewed correctly they clearly have. Medical services, automobiles, electronics, house size, computer technology, vastly expanded choices throughout the economy have all exploded in beneficial ways not picked up by price indexes.


37 posted on 10/06/2012 11:05:37 PM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: arrogantsob
I don’t know if I have the time to address all the falsehoods you believe but I will try. 1) foreign (read JEW) bankers do not control the U.S. economy and never did but foreign bankers had far more influence over it before the Federal Reserve was established.

They were manipulating crises through their agents like JP Morgan, true. Like I said it's the old trick of the enemies of freedom causing a problem so the enemies of freedom can create the solution, and that solution is always more power for the enemies of freedom, and less freedom for the rest of us.

Because of its control of the gold reserves through the discount rate the Bank of England determined much of what happened in America while the lunatic Jackson was attacking the National Bank. He appealed to the most ignorant of voters, a typical Democrat class warrior, and, naturally, implemented the most ignorant policies.

Yeah Jackson got us completely out of debt, what a dumbass [/s]. Like I said, if we would move from a debt-based society to a value-based society we wouldn't have to worry about interest rates.

His destruction of the 2d National Bank set off a decade of currency chaos (Wildcat Banking, shinplasters, worthless state-chartered bank currency) which was only relieved by the discovery of gold in California.

Like I keep saying, the country expanded greatly during this time. You're making mountains out of molehills.

2) Our dollar is not collapsing. You are confusing 2% with 2000%, a natural mistake if you don’t pay attention.

Been to the grocery store lately? Our dollar is indeed starting to collapse. If we can print all we want without inflation, why don't we print every American a billion dollar bill?

3) J.P. Morgan was the major financial figure for decades before the Federal Reserve. He did not need it to exercise control. Besides he was near death when it was created and the recognition that he was not immortal spurred its creation to take his role.

JP Morgan was an agent for the international bankers. Most of the crises right before the creation of the Federal Reserve were the manipulations of the international bankers to create problems so the people thought they couldn't live without a central bank.

4) American growth during the first half of the 19th century was largely fueled by British capital investing in railroads. The U.S. ran a persistent balance of payments deficit during this period. This infrastructure investment (of which we were not capable even with a central bank) allowed the transportation revolution which opened up the heartland to foreign trade. Hamilton’s policies had made America a trusted place for investment.

The bottom line is we didn't have a central bank and the country expanded greatly.

5) When even icebergs are part of the conspiracy you may as well surrender.

Do you know how hard it is to hit an iceberg going 20 miles an hour with 1 mile visibility?

6) Gold is a valuable and rare commodity with many uses which cannot be reproduced so it costs a lot of money. But it can buy you many more interesting things. It can’t be used as money because of its rarity and its non-monetary uses. It never will be again.

LOL It still is used as money. They don't keep coal in the vaults, they keep gold.

7) You are not describing economic conditions accurately if you believe we were “fine” under Jackson. We were far from it and were mired in the worst depression until the Great Depression as I have told you. Study the real history of he period. It is filled with class conflict, strikes, riots, and immense suffering. Largely because the money supply was either too low or too concentrated in the East or both.

Mountains out of molehills. The bottom line is the country expanded greatly in between the central banks and now we face the collapse of our nation due to the collapse of our currency.

8) Debt is an inextricable and necessary element of capitalist economics. Without debt growth becomes very difficult.

A value-based economy hasn't been tried on a large scale. Computers make it more possible to go from a debt-based economy to a value-based economy. We just have to make rules to keep the dirty birds from implementing their usury on a large scale like they have since the beginning of modern times.

9) Gold supplies are insufficiently elastic to accommodate a growing economy and I showed you the figures, even though you ignored them. That is the reason gold will never again be a monetary instrument.

You continue to ignore the growth of the nation between Jackson and Wilson.

10) Currency values are determined by what they can buy and the dollar buys plenty.

Less every decade since Nixon.

11) Our currency and our debt have remained highly sought after from the time Hamilton established our financial system, one of the greatest works of genius in financial history. THIS system was one of the biggest reasons our economy grew and expanded during the 19th century. Our strength and power was thanks to Hamilton fought every step of the way by the Class Warriors.

Hamilton gave us treasuries. Jackson got rid of the central bank and we expanded greatly until Wilson. How do you explain the Great Depression? Wasn't the Federal Reserve created to alleviate the boom-bust cycle?

12) Living standards IN REALITY have gone up during the 20th century until the last four years. Now compared to some calculated index it may not have but when viewed correctly they clearly have. Medical services, automobiles, electronics, house size, computer technology, vastly expanded choices throughout the economy have all exploded in beneficial ways not picked up by price indexes.

The standard of living hasn't hardly moved since we went completely off gold under Nixon.

38 posted on 10/07/2012 6:20:01 AM PDT by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

Jews have not controlled international finance.

Our economy exploded after Hamilton’s creation of the National Bank. It expanded until Jefferson imposed an embargo which ruined the economy. Then the fanatics and lunatics in Congress refused to recharter the National Bank at the time it was most needed (to finance the War of 1812). However, the economic and financial problems became so obvious to even the lunatics and some of the fanatics that they were forced to re-charter it.

This allowed the economy to grow again until Jackson provoked the WORST DEPRESSION that had ever hit.

It is a LIE that there were only molehills affecting the U.S. Economy during the period without a National Bank.

It is also a LIE that a National Bank is not a critical institution for a modern economy.

The problem with the Great Depression at least as Friedman tells it is that the Fed did not have a clear idea of what the monetary aggregates actually were and it was involved with a lot of contradictory actions where it would be draining reserves and adding reserves at the same time. Then Congressional and Executive decisions were also in conflict or complicating Fed actions.

The Depression was not just a monetary phenomenon either meaning that monetary policy was not likely to be effective.
Smoot-Hawley put the dagger to international trade and much of the rest could be put down to anomalistic shocks from Europe and the German Reparations aftershock.

Capitalism, like currency itself, depends upon faith and when that faith disappears as it did in the 30s there is little man can do.

None of this was caused by the JEWS.


39 posted on 10/07/2012 12:45:51 PM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: arrogantsob
Jews have not controlled international finance.

Jews?

Our economy exploded after Hamilton’s creation of the National Bank. It expanded until Jefferson imposed an embargo which ruined the economy. Then the fanatics and lunatics in Congress refused to recharter the National Bank at the time it was most needed (to finance the War of 1812). However, the economic and financial problems became so obvious to even the lunatics and some of the fanatics that they were forced to re-charter it. This allowed the economy to grow again until Jackson provoked the WORST DEPRESSION that had ever hit. It is a LIE that there were only molehills affecting the U.S. Economy during the period without a National Bank. It is also a LIE that a National Bank is not a critical institution for a modern economy.

We expanded greatly between Jackson and Wilson with no central bank.

The problem with the Great Depression at least as Friedman tells it is that the Fed did not have a clear idea of what the monetary aggregates actually were and it was involved with a lot of contradictory actions where it would be draining reserves and adding reserves at the same time. Then Congressional and Executive decisions were also in conflict or complicating Fed actions. The Depression was not just a monetary phenomenon either meaning that monetary policy was not likely to be effective. Smoot-Hawley put the dagger to international trade and much of the rest could be put down to anomalistic shocks from Europe and the German Reparations aftershock. Capitalism, like currency itself, depends upon faith and when that faith disappears as it did in the 30s there is little man can do.

The international bankers provoked the people to accept the Federal Reserve on the premise that it would end the boom bust cycles. Boom-bust cycles got worse after the creation of the Federal Reserve as the Great Depression shows. It's how they make their money, by causing these worsening boom-bust cycles. Now we face the collapse of our economy and maybe our nation due to the Federal Reserve deliberately crashing the dollar. It's part of their grand scheme to end freedom and enslave all of us.

None of this was caused by the JEWS.

Who said anything about Jews? The Rothschilds are cabalists, true, but they're one tenth of the group who are deliberately bringing us down. The other nine tenths could be anyone of any following. I don't know who the rest are. A lot of people of all followings support the idea of deliberately crashing the American economy to end freedom. Look at Obama and Bill Clinton. They're not part of the big international bankers but they have the same agenda and happily do their will.

40 posted on 10/07/2012 5:04:26 PM PDT by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

“International Bankers” are the commonly used code words for “Jews”.

There was no consistent expansion after the Second National Bank was allowed to expire by Jackson. Rather, there were disastrous booms and busts caused by currency chaos. Currency issued or backed by the National Bank was reliable money, that issued by the state banks frequently worthless or of indeterminate value.

Jackson’s fanaticism and ignorance provoked the WORST DEPRESSION the nation had experienced. In spite of the massive investment by the British that period was filled with misery due to Jackson’s incompetence.

Panics and depression were common features of 19th century economic life. International bankers had no control over the National Bank or the Second National Bank. Removing those banks gave those bankers MORE power not less.

International bankers did not WANT a National Bank and opposed its creation until the Panic of 1907 erupted a few years before the creation of the Fed. They certainly did not need to provoke the farmers and Westerners to demand a Reserve banking system. They saw the metals THEY MINED drawn away to the East leaving them without an adequate money supply and with economic misery. And demanded this system from the 1880s.

Your conspiracy theory comes from not really understanding how the economy works, little real knowledge of history and believing outright lies. Silly stuff.


41 posted on 10/07/2012 9:11:08 PM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: arrogantsob
“International Bankers” are the commonly used code words for “Jews”.

When I say "international bankers", I'm not saying "Jews". It's my belief that the Vatican bank, the "Institute for Works of Religion", is playing a major roll in the effort to take away our freedoms. The Jesuits throughout the centuries have been behind a lot of intrigue also. The upper hierarchy of the Freemasons, with their Hermetic symbolism and pagan rites, may be involved also. Islam. Communists. It's the whole world versus protestant America. Satan is the prince of the air, and probably all these are his weapons. Now by no means am I saying that all Catholics and Freemasons are out to take away our freedoms, but there are elements of the hierarchies that are looking for world conquest, and the Federal Reserve was their foot in our door.

There was no consistent expansion after the Second National Bank was allowed to expire by Jackson.

Like the Great Depression was "consistent expansion".

Rather, there were disastrous booms and busts caused by currency chaos. Currency issued or backed by the National Bank was reliable money, that issued by the state banks frequently worthless or of indeterminate value.

That's the value of gold.

Jackson’s fanaticism and ignorance provoked the WORST DEPRESSION the nation had experienced. In spite of the massive investment by the British that period was filled with misery due to Jackson’s incompetence.

Mountain out of a molehill. We expanded greatly between Jackson and Wilson.

Panics and depression were common features of 19th century economic life.

Likewise after the Federal Reserve was created, but worse.

International bankers had no control over the National Bank or the Second National Bank.

You live in an alternate reality.

Removing those banks gave those bankers MORE power not less.

If you want to see power, look at the Federal Reserve.

International bankers did not WANT a National Bank and opposed its creation...

There's your alternate reality again.

... until the Panic of 1907 erupted a few years before the creation of the Fed.

Gee, what a coincidence. Create a problem and provide the solution to gain power. How clever.

They certainly did not need to provoke the farmers and Westerners to demand a Reserve banking system.

Farmers voted for Obama too. They usually aren't very educated in international finance.

They saw the metals THEY MINED drawn away to the East leaving them without an adequate money supply and with economic misery. And demanded this system from the 1880s.

California was in economic misery huh?

Your conspiracy theory comes from not really understanding how the economy works, little real knowledge of history and believing outright lies. Silly stuff.

When the gulags in Siberia were shut down, some of the prisoners that were there were there so long that they wouldn't leave, thinking it wasn't so bad. That's what you remind me of. You rationalize the enslavement we've been under since 1913 by saying that things were so bad before them that we have to have our slave masters, we can't live without them. You've shown no evidence that things were bad. All the evidence points to a great expansion before the Federal Reserve, gaining states, settling California, creating the great cities of San Francisco and the rest. Since we went completely off gold under Nixon, there's been hardly any rise in the standard of living. Keep living in fantasy land if it makes you feel better about licking the boots of your international banker masters.

42 posted on 10/08/2012 5:51:02 PM PDT by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

Your silliness is not worth much more of me telling you truths which mean nothing to you. The world economy is not controlled or controllable by a group of men or even governments. Nor are problems created deliberately to further a conspiracy.

Capitalist development has booms and busts because of the business cycle itself; because of the monetary disturbances which exist under ALL currency regimes; bankruptcies; metal strikes; technological development; wars; revolts; crop failure and other factors. Central banks have little or no control over most of that list nor total control over monetary policy. And they certainly do not deliberately destroy economies.

There has never really been a gold standard either. When such is adopted and convertibility initially exists, it only takes a war to knock convertibility out of the picture.
Britain for much or most of the 19th century did not have convertibility. May as well use the stone money of Yap as gold.

Most of the Populist demand for Reserve Banks was in the middle of the country, that is where conditions were frequently desperate because of the lack of money. San Francisco and Seattle banks were strong so the economy of the coast was stronger than the non-coastal west.

Your pretending the history of our economy, before and after the Fed, is not one of dramatic booms and bust, financial panics, depression and great suffering does not change the facts. Just because the trend line is up that does not remove the human pain when things are below it.

Monetary conditions were a persistent and serious problem in 19th century politics after the destruction of the National Bank. And the agitation did NOT come from your International Conspiracy.


43 posted on 10/08/2012 9:56:02 PM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: arrogantsob
Your silliness is not worth much more of me telling you truths which mean nothing to you. The world economy is not controlled or controllable by a group of men or even governments. Nor are problems created deliberately to further a conspiracy.

Rev 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

There is the city that reigns over the kings of the earth. The Federal Reserve is one of their tools.

Capitalist development has booms and busts because of the business cycle itself; because of the monetary disturbances which exist under ALL currency regimes; bankruptcies; metal strikes; technological development; wars; revolts; crop failure and other factors. Central banks have little or no control over most of that list nor total control over monetary policy.

So you're arguing with yourself. You say we can't go without a central bank, but here you say a central bank can't do much. If it can't do much, let's get rid of it and end the slavery.

And they certainly do not deliberately destroy economies.

They're destroying ours right now. There's no way out of a 16 trillion dollar debt.

There has never really been a gold standard either. When such is adopted and convertibility initially exists, it only takes a war to knock convertibility out of the picture. Britain for much or most of the 19th century did not have convertibility. May as well use the stone money of Yap as gold.

If it's never been tried then let's try it. What were doing is failing.

Most of the Populist demand for Reserve Banks was in the middle of the country, that is where conditions were frequently desperate because of the lack of money. San Francisco and Seattle banks were strong so the economy of the coast was stronger than the non-coastal west.

Farmers voted for Obama too.

Your pretending the history of our economy, before and after the Fed, is not one of dramatic booms and bust, financial panics, depression and great suffering does not change the facts. Just because the trend line is up that does not remove the human pain when things are below it.

The period between Jackson and Wilson was certainly no worse than after 1913 when it comes to booms and busts. And now the Federal Reserve is on the verge of destroying our economy to bring in their grand plan of global socialism. They have to destroy us first, and it will soon happen with this debt. So not only were the booms and busts not relieved by the Federal Reserve, but we get the added catastrophe of a destroyed economy.

Monetary conditions were a persistent and serious problem in 19th century politics after the destruction of the National Bank. And the agitation did NOT come from your International Conspiracy.

Oh yes, they were behind a lot of the problems. It wouldn't surprise me if they sank the gold ship.

44 posted on 10/13/2012 4:21:25 PM PDT by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

One cannot talk sense to an insane man and expect anything positive.

There is no “slavery” by the Fed or anyone else. Only by perverting the meaning of the word can your claim be made.

Revelations has nothing to do with the Fed that any human can understand.

War destroys the gold standard. Britain suspended convertibility for decades at a time. Central banks can control monetary policy to some extent but not completely but the amount of control they do have make them sought after.

Debt is created by Congress NOT the Federal Reserve. It only BUYS some of that debt. You are very confused about monetary affairs. Perhaps you are also unaware that the Fed actually gives 100% of its profits to the federal treasury. It MAKES big money for the U.S. taxpayer i.e. almost free debt.

The most prosperous era in the history of mankind is your idea of one that is “failing”. Ludicrous stuff. The POOR in this country live like kings of old. In the past most families barely scraped by. Now you have to be an idiot to starve.

The fact that lower classes agitated for the Reserve system merely shows that the conspiracy of international bankers was not the initiators or pressure for its creation contrary to your nutty claims. It has nothing to do with them being right or wrong about it being necessary nor workable. But they certainly were being crushed arbitrarily and unnecessarily by the system as it existed before the Fed.

The period between Jackson and Wilson was every bit as bad as the period after the Fed. Repeated busts and panics accompanied our expansion. Some were unnecessary such as the decade long depression Jackson provoked. Some were not.
The fragility of the system to hysterical panics was well illustrated by the sinking of just ONE ship. That alone showed something else was needed.

Crackpot claims about the Fed mingled with no understanding about its history, operations or role within the capitalist economy are very UNpersuasive.


45 posted on 10/13/2012 6:46:23 PM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: arrogantsob
One cannot talk sense to an insane man and expect anything positive. There is no “slavery” by the Fed or anyone else. Only by perverting the meaning of the word can your claim be made.

What does the Federal Reserve do for us? Pre-Fed we had a system, a little bit of the business cycle, ups and downs, but growing. The men behind the Federal Reserve move in, claim we have to have them, conveniently the major opposition all die on the so-called Titanic (a ship owned by them) Disaster, and they put in a system where we have the same cycles but now the booms and busts are worse (Great Depression), and we have a devaluation of our currency on an unbelievable scale to the point of economic collapse. So they've been instituting their global socialism on us, and for the privilege of have these pieces of cotton rather than gold in our vaults, we pay them trillions in inflation costs. They don't put out our fires, lock up our criminals, deliver our mail, protect our borders, they just collect all this in inflation. That is slavery. There is a reason the bible calls the debt system "usury", that is all they're doing, is using us.

Revelations has nothing to do with the Fed that any human can understand.

The bible was written to us. Why would God write a letter He intends no one to read? If God says there is a city that rules the kings of the earth, then there is a city that rules the kings of the earth, and it is the men behind the Federal Reserve.

War destroys the gold standard.

And how do a lot of these wars start? These men.

Britain suspended convertibility for decades at a time. Central banks can control monetary policy to some extent but not completely but the amount of control they do have make them sought after.

And it's a bad system because it's on the verge of collapse. Collapse is what these men want, they want it so they can rule outright. They're going to do the same thing they did in 1913, they're going to say "freedom has failed", and tell us to adopt their new system of buying and selling so that no man may buy and sell without their mark.

Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Debt is created by Congress NOT the Federal Reserve. It only BUYS some of that debt. You are very confused about monetary affairs. Perhaps you are also unaware that the Fed actually gives 100% of its profits to the federal treasury. It MAKES big money for the U.S. taxpayer i.e. almost free debt.

Anyone can do simple math. Gold is what they keep in their vaults. The inflation of gold the last ten years has been 17.7% per yer average. Let's be charitable and say there is only 3 trillion in our monetary base. 17.7 percent of 3 trillion is 531 billion. They gave 77 billion back in '11. Converting their ever more worthless dollars into gold is giving them 450 billion a year profit, and then they give us 77 billion in ever more worthless dollars to make us feel better.

The most prosperous era in the history of mankind is your idea of one that is “failing”. Ludicrous stuff. The POOR in this country live like kings of old. In the past most families barely scraped by. Now you have to be an idiot to starve.

You been in a cave since 1974? We're supposed to be happy with almost no improvement in standard of living for almost 40 years now? The reason our lives haven't changed since 1974 is they keep us enslaved. You're a house slave. You got your bed, your warm house, and you don't mind that the en-slavers are skimming off the top more and more each year. We should be curing cancer and taking vacations to the moons of Saturn by now at the rate we were improving before 1974.

The fact that lower classes agitated for the Reserve system merely shows that the conspiracy of international bankers was not the initiators or pressure for its creation contrary to your nutty claims.

The intrigue of the international bankers caused most of the strife that causes the economically uneducated to call for things that hurt them. You see it today, "soak the rich, soak the rich". It's the small businesses that provide their jobs and they support corporate tax rates that put them out of their jobs. The unions do the same thing, they support the things that causes their plants to close thereby losing membership.

It has nothing to do with them being right or wrong about it being necessary nor workable. But they certainly were being crushed arbitrarily and unnecessarily by the system as it existed before the Fed.

It was the poor that got hurt the worst by the Great Depression. They had it worse under the Fed then they had it before.

The period between Jackson and Wilson was every bit as bad as the period after the Fed.

Where's your evidence? We gained states, gained prosperity, gained in standard of living. There was no change in per capita income from 1760 to 1830, and that was with two central banks. Then when the central bank was not rechartered, we took off until Wilson. Wilson gives us the Fed and we get the Great Depression. The Fed gets greedy and so Nixon has to take us completely off gold and there is where the standard of living increases stopped.

Repeated busts and panics accompanied our expansion.

We've had nothing but booms and busts since and the Great Depression was the worst.

Some were unnecessary such as the decade long depression Jackson provoked.

What depression? There was expansion during Jackson in income per capita.

Some were not. The fragility of the system to hysterical panics was well illustrated by the sinking of just ONE ship. That alone showed something else was needed.

Just don't put all the eggs in one basket. That is easy enough to fix. Instead we get a system that gives us the Great Depression and now we head into hyperinflation. So we face the end of our economy because of the wants of the uneducated of 1912.

Crackpot claims about the Fed mingled with no understanding about its history, operations or role within the capitalist economy are very UNpersuasive.

I'm sure bootlickers don't care about their house slavery. They're not in the fields.

46 posted on 10/14/2012 4:17:10 PM PDT by Partisan Gunslinger
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Your view of history is wrong in every particular you have listed.

Our standard of living is much higher today than in 1800, 1900 and 1974. Our houses are bigger, cars more efficient, our electronics is highly advanced and much cheaper, our world is highly computerized, food is cheap. The economy is so productive that the government is able to drain trillions of dollars out of it every year.

After Reagan became president the price of gold collapsed then barely moved for a couple of decades. It was a horrible investment. It is insane to believe the Fed profited from the price of gold increasing the last decade since it never sold its reserves. That is not where its profits come from.


47 posted on 10/14/2012 7:39:16 PM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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Your view of history is wrong in every particular you have listed. Our standard of living is much higher today than in 1800, 1900 and 1974. Our houses are bigger, cars more efficient, our electronics is highly advanced and much cheaper, our world is highly computerized, food is cheap.

Um, I was here in 1974, and we had it a lot better in '74 than now due to inflation. My dad is on the verge of losing his house. Social Security is getting ready to dry up. My dad can't afford anything but the free channels they let you have once in a while.

The economy is so productive that the government is able to drain trillions of dollars out of it every year.

They're not "draining trillions" every year, they're putting it on our debt. The money is coming from nowhere but the presses!

After Reagan became president the price of gold collapsed then barely moved for a couple of decades. It was a horrible investment.

Gold should not be an investment! Gold should be a stabilizer! It's purpose should be to keep an economy honest. The price of gold should not swing wildly like it has been doing since the 70s. The wild swing of the gold price is due to the failures of the Federal Reserve system. People should be investing their money in companies, not gold. Gold should be in the vaults doing it's job. Instead we replace gold with cotton and take away the foundation that keeps an economy from gyrating wildly.

It is insane to believe the Fed profited from the price of gold increasing the last decade since it never sold its reserves. That is not where its profits come from.

It profits from inflation. The men that own the Federal Reserve give us cotton and take the gold. Their currency is gold and oil. The Fed doesn't own the gold, the men that own the Fed own the gold. The Fed is just a cover for their operation. They put the Fed out in public to do it's dirty work and they profit behind the scenes laughing that we exchange our hard work and other treasures for their ever more worthless pieces of cotton.

48 posted on 10/15/2012 6:54:41 AM PDT by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: rkoliver
Black Activist Urges Schools to Change Names from White Segregationist President

I'm lobbying for:

Republicans freed the Slaves High School.

49 posted on 10/15/2012 7:04:36 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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Hayes is right.

Wilson issued an executive order preventing blacks from working in the federal government. He created the DC slums almost overnight.


50 posted on 10/15/2012 7:09:28 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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