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Curiouser And Curiouser: Romney Surprises Us.
Free Republic Original Content | October 11, 2012 | by Laz A. Mataz

Posted on 10/11/2012 5:14:48 PM PDT by Lazamataz

It was obvious to me, and to all ConservativeKind, that Romney was an East Coast RINO, the sort of politician who we detest almost more than an "honest" liberal Democrat.

We were off-put by his Massachussettes record, we were enraged at his selection, and we vowed to fight him right up to the very second he was named the Republican candidate.

Yet, a few things happened recently that call into question our assumption:

  1. The Debate. Sure Romney shined. Yes, Obama sulked. The contrast in performance was wonderful to behold. But this is not enough for conservatives: A skilled RINO is as deadly to our cause as an incompetent Marxist. No, the critical takeaway from this debate, for me, was the not-insignificant mention of the 10th Amendment! Perhaps I am wrong about this, but in my adult lifetime, I do not believe I have ever heard any Democrat or Republican candidate mention this all-important limitation of the Federal Behemoth.
  2. In the very same debate, Romney repeatedly observed that the private sector manages the economy much better than central planning at the Federal level. Any student of history surely recognises this, but Obama seems to be only a student of his own "magnificent self". This core belief tells me we are dealing with a Capitalist, and this checks off another box for those of us who value conservatism.
  3. Again, at the debate: Romney, when finished, hugged his many children. This is small, but significant, since I observed Obama hug only his wife and his aides. Family values WIN.
  4. An interview by the NRA of Romney shows a much different Romney than has been portrayed by our conservative brethren. Yes, of course, Romney will be a little more compliant to the views of the NRA when in front of them, yet his going on record will make it more difficult to flip flop -- and remember, a first term means he needs to live to his word to garner support for a second.
  5. I have heard, from the rumor mill, that Romney's closest aides say he is much more conservative than his record in Massachussettes shows, and that he actually has to tamp his beliefs down a bit to connect with the fuzzy middle of America, the all-important Independent. Hearsay? Absolutely. Yet this is a tiny wisp of smoke that may indicate a hidden fire.
In Massachussettes, Romney had to play ball with liberals to get anything done at all. In his own words:

In Miami, Romney said he reached out to Democrats to make deals -- most notably, the state health care plan, which he did not explicitly mention during Wednesday’s event.

"My legislature was 85 percent Democrat," he said. "It did not take a rocket scientist to realize I had to work with people across the aisle. I didn’t attack the senate president, I didn’t attack the speaker of the house, I had to work with them. I hope we have a Republican House and a Republican Senate and I get elected as president. But I will not ignore people across the aisle."

Color me skeptical about working with the enemy should we capture the House and Senate, but okay. I can see this in a man of honor.

So: Could it be? Could our wildest fantasies be realized? Could we have accidentally stumbled into a candidate that we fought tooth-and-nail, who is actually a conservative, or close to one?

It's worth gambling on. I have changed my vote from third party to Mitt Romney.


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1 posted on 10/11/2012 5:14:51 PM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Lazamataz
I'll break my arm pulling the lever for Romney, fully expecting he'll disappoint me at some point. I despise Obama that much.

If he turns out to be more conservative than I expected it will be a pleasant surprise.

2 posted on 10/11/2012 5:19:20 PM PDT by skeeter
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Yes, I know I misspelled "Massachusetts". Two things work in my defense: 1) The spell check and grammar website 'spellcheckplus' did not flag the error. I noted that and made a mental note to correct it. FAIL.

2) The state is too liberal to deserve correct spelling. :P

3 posted on 10/11/2012 5:19:20 PM PDT by Lazamataz (WAAAAAAAAAHHHhhhhh.....)
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To: Lazamataz

Yeah, my ears perked up when he mentioned the 10th Amendment too. I have been reevaluating my position that I would probably vote for Johnson.


4 posted on 10/11/2012 5:20:40 PM PDT by wolfpat (Not to know what has been transacted in former times is to be always a child. -- Cicero)
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5 posted on 10/11/2012 5:21:58 PM PDT by Lazamataz (WAAAAAAAAAHHHhhhhh.....)
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To: Lazamataz
I'm convinced of only one thing at the moment ~ he'll probably beat Obamugabe but that shouldn't rule out preparing to start an impeachment by third Monday in January.
6 posted on 10/11/2012 5:22:44 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: wolfpat

I have to tell you, the rest of the factors would have gone unnoticed, had he not mentioned the 10th Amendment. That one mention turned the tide for me on Romney. He might be alright.


7 posted on 10/11/2012 5:23:18 PM PDT by Lazamataz (WAAAAAAAAAHHHhhhhh.....)
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To: Lazamataz

I think you might owe me an apology.


8 posted on 10/11/2012 5:23:35 PM PDT by TrueFact
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To: Lazamataz

People around here get banned for heresy like this.

I have stopped posting on political threads because of it.

Good luck,

knewshound


9 posted on 10/11/2012 5:24:16 PM PDT by knews_hound (Reading without commenting since 2001.)
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To: muawiyah

The 10th Amendment mention, heretofore never seen in my adult lifetime by any ‘mainstream’ candidate, didn’t do a thing for you?


10 posted on 10/11/2012 5:24:30 PM PDT by Lazamataz (WAAAAAAAAAHHHhhhhh.....)
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To: Lazamataz
My tagline gives my reason.

I'm not a Mitt fan. I voted Santorum. However, I know for a fact that Mitt would fire 99%, if not 100% of Obama's cabinet and czars. He'd also have a chance at appointing decent Justices to SCOTUS. At worst, it won't be Holder as AG and Kagan on the Supreme Court.

11 posted on 10/11/2012 5:24:48 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Holding my nose one more time to get rid of Eric Holder)
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To: Lazamataz

Hi Laz. Do you expect any surprises from Ryan?


12 posted on 10/11/2012 5:25:07 PM PDT by proud2beconservativeinNJ ("In God We Trust")
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To: skeeter

Just don’t back down from him. Vote for him if you must but be unafaid to speak up when he does wrong.


13 posted on 10/11/2012 5:25:23 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Lazamataz
I'm thinking that, regardless of is degree of conservatism, Romney may just be the most *honest* politician of my lifetime.

There's someting to be said for that.

It certainly beats that n're-do-well that we have in the White House today.

14 posted on 10/11/2012 5:25:34 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: Lazamataz

15 posted on 10/11/2012 5:25:47 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: knews_hound
People around here get banned for heresy like this. I have stopped posting on political threads because of it. Good luck

Those days have passed. Romney is the candidate. Like I noted, we fought Romney tooth and nail. This site was no exception. JimRob has indicated that it is time to stop fighting Romney.

But this article is more than simple compliance: It is how I feel. Something happened during the debate that blew me away: The mention of the 10th Amendment, and to a much lesser degree, Romney mentioning the Constitution in the background of their stage. Pretty amazing stuff for a purported 'liberal', no?

16 posted on 10/11/2012 5:27:26 PM PDT by Lazamataz (WAAAAAAAAAHHHhhhhh.....)
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To: Lazamataz
I believe we saw the Constitution read outloud in the House by Representatives. Somebody had to do the 10th didn't he or she?

I watched that ~ you didn't do that.

17 posted on 10/11/2012 5:28:48 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Lazamataz

IBTLAHGP

In before the Laz and Humble Gunner Pic !


18 posted on 10/11/2012 5:29:02 PM PDT by onona (Taglines R Us)
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To: Lazamataz

Have crossed over Laz. Once the picture appeared, it hit me, you are an alien! Thank You, Mr. Alien.


19 posted on 10/11/2012 5:29:21 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: TrueFact
I think you might owe me an apology.

I must, regrettably, decline to apologize, sir. I fought valiently and honestly against Romney with the facts at my disposal.

New facts have been introduced. I will not apologize for changing my mind based on new facts; I will not apologize for a political fight waged before I had those new facts.

20 posted on 10/11/2012 5:29:55 PM PDT by Lazamataz (WAAAAAAAAAHHHhhhhh.....)
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To: Lazamataz

He’ll probably be somewhere between Bush 41/43 and Reagan. Anywhere in there is 10X better than Barack Hussein Obama on his best day, nicht wehr?


21 posted on 10/11/2012 5:30:46 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: onona
In before the Laz and Humble Gunner Pic !

Please no. Anything but that horrid thing. Perhaps next year we will redo the picture and it will NOT suck.

22 posted on 10/11/2012 5:31:06 PM PDT by Lazamataz (WAAAAAAAAAHHHhhhhh.....)
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To: Lazamataz

IBTZ

you know, a few months ago, you would be zotted for writing this.


23 posted on 10/11/2012 5:32:18 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: muawiyah
I believe we saw the Constitution read outloud in the House by Representatives. Somebody had to do the 10th didn't he or she?

Sure. But mainstream political candidates, in my adult lifetime? Not so much, as to mentions thereof.

24 posted on 10/11/2012 5:32:18 PM PDT by Lazamataz (WAAAAAAAAAHHHhhhhh.....)
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To: skeeter

I like you, wanted someone else, not the least Sarah, but I have concluded that she is a big deal who doesn’t need any title to be a big deal, and Romney is exactly the guy we need now.....

I will always love Sarah, and she will for always be bigger than the “game” but Romney is the right guy....


25 posted on 10/11/2012 5:32:34 PM PDT by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now and in the future)
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To: muawiyah
I believe we saw the Constitution read outloud in the House by Representatives. Somebody had to do the 10th didn't he or she?

CORRECTION: Sure. But mainstream political Presidential candidates, in my adult lifetime? Not so much, as to mentions thereof.

26 posted on 10/11/2012 5:33:07 PM PDT by Lazamataz (WAAAAAAAAAHHHhhhhh.....)
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To: Lazamataz

Cynicism and pessimism are easy, and you are sure to get plenty of both on this thread. In fact, looks like it has already started from the usual suspects. However, I have been saying for a while, to my family and friends, that I think Romney may just surprise a lot of people. When you are a governor, you govern, to some extent, to the will of the governed. Massachussets (I don’t care how it’s spelled, either) is not the U.S. Hairy Reed aside, Mormons are generally family valued conservative types. Besides, even if we get a socially liberal guy who knows what a balance sheet is and doesn’t hate the country, we’re a whole bunch better off than where we are. And, we don’t get that by throwing our vote away voting for someone who ain’t winning.


27 posted on 10/11/2012 5:33:38 PM PDT by tnlibertarian (Hope isn't a strategy.)
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To: Lazamataz
No but what he is a pragmatic business man. We will have to work daily to keep his feet to the fire but he will listen to us. Obama will work tirelessly against us.

If Obama is reelected by 2016 we will be so far over the fiscal cliff there will be no climbing back. Romney sees the chart below as a problem. 0bama thinks the problem is we have not spent enough!

FY 2007 is the last Bush/GOP Congress budget. FY 2011 is the last 0bama/Dem Congress Photobucket

Obama added planks favoring Gay Marriage and taxpayer funded abortion on demand up to birth to the 2012 Democrat Party platform.

By contrast the 2012 GOP platform is the most Conservative one in their history.

No matter how much one might hate Romney, no one with a brain would refuse to see the stark difference between Romney and Obama on both fiscal and social issues.

With Romney Fiscal and Social Conservatives have a seat at the table, while Obama will actively promote everything real Conservatives are against.

By 2016 everything Conservatives claim to be so passionate about will be legislated. As Roe V Wade should of taught Conservatives once something is legislated it become almost impossible to undo.

Once 2016 rolls around the Judiciary will be so packed with Obamabots anything Conservatives DID manage to legislate would simply be undone by Judicial Fiat.

If Obama is reelected there will be nothing left to win.

After another 4 year term of Obama the USA will be a European style 1 party state with a state directed media, that will allow just enough political window dressing from a “loyal opposition” to keep their peon classes passive.

And those around here who feel their political sour grapes from the 2012 GOP Primaries are more important then the future of our country will have been the active allies of that destruction.

28 posted on 10/11/2012 5:34:21 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: staytrue
you know, a few months ago, you would be zotted for writing this.

Maybe. But a few months ago, the factors I outlined had not occurred.

29 posted on 10/11/2012 5:34:21 PM PDT by Lazamataz (WAAAAAAAAAHHHhhhhh.....)
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To: Lazamataz
Welcome aboard the good ship Lolipop.

I hope we both aren't the suckers.
30 posted on 10/11/2012 5:35:31 PM PDT by John 3_19-21 (Desperation leads to curious events)
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To: Lazamataz

“Yes, I know I misspelled ‘Massachusetts’.”

But you didn’t misspell it the right way. These are three of the most common wrong/right ways to spell it:

“Massivetwoshitss”
“Massholetwoshitss”
“Massholetwoshitsstan”.


31 posted on 10/11/2012 5:36:16 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (The Glove don't fit, but it's better than a burqa.)
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To: Lazamataz

So, Laz, how many chickens are we gonna get out of these eggfs?


32 posted on 10/11/2012 5:37:30 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: Lazamataz
No, the critical takeaway from this debate, for me, was the not-insignificant mention of the 10th Amendment!

First Romney figured this out as a way to get cover for all of his leftism and anti-conservatism as a Governor.

Second, this fits in with Mormonism and their ownership of the state of Utah, Polygamy is on it's way back, among other ways that the Mormon cult can assert total control over Utah.

33 posted on 10/11/2012 5:37:56 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: John 3_19-21

I view it only as a win-win. If we are wrong, the status quo as we believed it will be extant. If we are RIGHT, though... ahhhh, now THAT will be SWEET.....


34 posted on 10/11/2012 5:38:26 PM PDT by Lazamataz (WAAAAAAAAAHHHhhhhh.....)
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To: Lazamataz
I've long maintained here that Mitt might be one hell of a conservative (as most Mormons are) trapped in liberal Massachusetts. He seems very comfortable with us knuckle-dragging conservatives.

Life , freedom, small govt., Planned Parenthood, PBS....damn ! John Bolton at the UN !

He seems to know what he believes, but I'll bet his VP has bolstered the good and perhaps bent the bad back into conservative shape.

Conservative support in the house is already there, and will be significant now too in the Senate.

It's painfully clear this country is in a perilous state, and only common sense conservative policies have a chance to turn the ship around. Which will happen with an unleashed energy sector and useless burdensome regulatory bull crap stripped from the codes.

There will be a huge economic boom when all the sidelined money comes back onto the table and cheap energy runs the businesses of this country. US will prosper while the rest of the world flounders. Our oil money will dry up to end the financing of ME terrorists. I hope I'm not foreseeing a novel, but actual future headlines.

35 posted on 10/11/2012 5:38:56 PM PDT by chiller (First check the poll's Dem/Rep/Ind sampling numbers, then re-think.)
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To: Lazamataz
It took the debate to cause me to cross over also. A prayer we are not disappointed tonight, and the following two debates. Take zer0 to the woodshedm Mr. Romney. Mr. Ryan it's your turn tonight to take down biden. Please make it GREAT!
36 posted on 10/11/2012 5:38:56 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Lazamataz

Your #5 - Jeff Head has been saying this for a long time. And he’s one of the three or four freepers I’d trust the most.


37 posted on 10/11/2012 5:39:01 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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To: Lazamataz

I remember Governor Perry bringing up the 10th during the debates. But that was then, this is now. After watching his acceptance speech and the debate last week, I feel better about voting for Romney. Heck, I’m even considering a yard sign.


38 posted on 10/11/2012 5:39:53 PM PDT by bubbacluck (I'll pay more for tomatoes...or lettuce.)
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To: Lazamataz

So who was it read the 10th? You had several members of the House running as candidates ~ did one of them do it? Can’t rule that out without knowing who did it. Bachmann could have read it, or Ron Paul even.


39 posted on 10/11/2012 5:40:04 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Revolting cat!
So, Laz, how many chickens are we gonna get out of these eggfs?

See my #34. If I am wrong, no eggs. If I am right... and the factors I cited are promising.... then we will have many eggs.

40 posted on 10/11/2012 5:40:07 PM PDT by Lazamataz (WAAAAAAAAAHHHhhhhh.....)
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To: Lazamataz

I know how you feel Laz. I am starting to at least entertain the notion.


41 posted on 10/11/2012 5:40:07 PM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Lazamataz

I too have decided to vote for Romney, rather than write-in Palin.

If for no other reason than I have seen absolutely no effective check on Obama’s excesses in the exercise of power. Not the Press. Not the Republicans. Not the Courts. Not the criminal justice infrastructure. Not the military infrastructure. Not tradition, culture, or past practice.

Romney is our best chance to get this guy out from behind the levers of power.

Frankly, if Hillary Clinton was Obama’s most credible opposition, I’d vote for her.


42 posted on 10/11/2012 5:40:44 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: Lazamataz
You make good points and I want to believe also.

As for Romney's alternative it's a disaster in the making should he be reelected, his comment in Russia clearly shows Obama’s intent.

43 posted on 10/11/2012 5:41:20 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: onyx; Josh Painter; Lakeshark; Viking2002; Mountain Mary; Envisioning; skr; rodguy911; ...

Ping!!


44 posted on 10/11/2012 5:42:03 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: muawiyah
So who was it read the 10th? You had several members of the House running as candidates ~ did one of them do it? Can’t rule that out without knowing who did it. Bachmann could have read it, or Ron Paul even.

A) I am referring to mention, not an actual reading of the Amendment, and B) I am referring only to 'mainstream' (read: Democrat or Republican) Presidential candidates.

And on those conditions, you cannot help to be a little interested at Mitt's mention of that all-important Amendment.

45 posted on 10/11/2012 5:42:22 PM PDT by Lazamataz (WAAAAAAAAAHHHhhhhh.....)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I take it you like this. :)


46 posted on 10/11/2012 5:42:57 PM PDT by Lazamataz (WAAAAAAAAAHHHhhhhh.....)
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To: Lazamataz
I dare not use the word hope.

It is after all, not a strategy
47 posted on 10/11/2012 5:43:22 PM PDT by John 3_19-21 (Desperation leads to curious events)
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To: Lazamataz

He sure convinced me that he wants to be POTUS so much, he’ll say anything...


48 posted on 10/11/2012 5:43:34 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Sorry, gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international. Gone.)
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To: Lazamataz
Laz, I'm going in with my eyes wide open. Political leopards don't change their spots, they just fade in and out to match the environment they find themselves in. It's election season and political rhetoric rules the day, despite Romney's liberal record being well documented. The best this nation can expect from a Romney administration is a momentary step back from the abyss. Then there is either going to be a miracle take place that drives our national will back to liberty and responsibility under the Constitution or we will simply back up enough to get a running start for the final leap to destruction. Given a growing populace with the sentiment that the "government" should support them cradle to grave, I'm expecting the latter to happen, not the former. But I will pray for a miracle.

Glad you had a fun time at the shoot. It was entertaining to follow along in the ethersphere.

49 posted on 10/11/2012 5:43:55 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Conservatism didn't magically show up in Romney's heart in 2012. You can't force what isn't in you.)
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To: Lazamataz

i know why mitt favors the 10th. we’ll discuss those in February.


50 posted on 10/11/2012 5:44:51 PM PDT by muawiyah
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