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To: jazusamo

Besides the preposterous implications of turning a good portion of the food supply, and the implications of production, pricing and availability thereof, if I could get my hands on the bastard or bastards that got this ridiculous policy implemented, I’d whop’em upside the head with a twobyfour.

I’ve had three cars/trucks affected by this. Oxygen sensors! Get alarms all the time. Ethanol is death to a wide band O2 sensor. It eats gaskets, fuel lines, seals, you name it. I finally had to buy an OBII CAN tool to reset the damned engine “service required” light.

Damn them!


2 posted on 10/15/2012 9:30:58 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

2x4 and left for dead is too merciful.


3 posted on 10/15/2012 9:35:05 AM PDT by Surrounded_too
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To: Gaffer

So true and it keeps small engine repair businesses busy.

The entire program is a scam and our government subsidizes it.


4 posted on 10/15/2012 9:39:09 AM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: Gaffer

“Besides the preposterous implications of turning a good portion of the food supply,”

Not to mention whiskey.


7 posted on 10/15/2012 9:43:26 AM PDT by duffee (Romney 2012, NEWT 2016)
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To: Gaffer

So, it looks like their plan is working. Their plan to get everyone out of their vehicles and into either public transportation or a bicycle.

And unabated, they won’t stop until they get their way, whether it takes decades of frustration over expensive auto repairs, waiting in long gas lines, too high gas prices, food shortages and skyrocketing food costs, whatever...it’s all about control with these leftist idiots.

My only question is....why the hell are we letting them get away with it?


11 posted on 10/15/2012 9:48:12 AM PDT by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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To: Gaffer
Besides the preposterous implications of turning a good portion of the food supply, and the implications of production, pricing and availability thereof, if I could get my hands on the bastard or bastards that got this ridiculous policy implemented, I’d whop’em upside the head with a twobyfour.

Two words explain this policy: "Iowa Caucuses."

17 posted on 10/15/2012 12:14:55 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers us choices: convert or kill, submit or die.)
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To: Gaffer
if you want to choke someone, look no further than Bob Dole, the senator from Archer Daniels Midland (ADM). I think he is still alive. if so, you can find him drooling into his gruel at the Watergate Apartments in DC.
25 posted on 10/15/2012 2:17:56 PM PDT by sleepwalker (Palin 2012)
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To: Gaffer
Better whop me with the 2X4, Because I support renewable fuel and the production of it here in the USA. There is a lot of crap to dislodge in the article and opinions above, but I'll try to give it a shot:

1. Ethanol actually is lowering the cost of gasoline right now even with the wrong headed blenders credit. Ethanol is cheaper to produce than the same amount of gasoline, by BTU, is being sold for by a wide margin right now.
2. I support renewable fuel not because I believe in any theoretical warming crisis or climate alarmism, but because I don't think it is wise to burn up the world's oil reserves that are being quickly depleted in a matter of a few generations, and do not seem to replenish themselves. Will our great grand children be happy we burned up the world's resources when their were already renewable alternatives, just because we were resistant to change?
3. I'd rather see jobs created producing fuel in this country than pay to buy it (directly or indirectly) from people who want to kill Americans and destroy our way of life.
4. The price of Corn going up is a great help to our farmers (it is a pass along cost for ranchers)since Manufacturing has been squeezed here in the USA, grain and meat exports are an ever increasing share of our foreign trade. As the world price rises for food our exports become more valuable as manufactured goods are becoming cheaper. Would you want it the other way? furthermore the law of supply and demand dictates that as the price of food goes up, third world farming operations that were once economically infeasible can now support their farmers leading to a greater overall supply of food and limiting the rise in food prices while increasing supply. We're crazy to be complaining about corn being used for fuel while our government is still paying farmers to grow weeds. (native grasses)

Furthermore I can't believe when Sel Graham, an oil and gas attorney is quoted in the article saying “Abolishing the ethanol mandate... would: (1) lower gasoline prices by millions of dollars; (2) result in billions of miles of free travel annually; (3) prevent millions of tons of additional carbon dioxide from being emitted into the air; and (4) improve national security and the energy picture since it is impossible for US ethanol to ever replace foreign oil imports.” that smart people here on FR believe those kind of lies.

With regard to your anecdotal evidence regarding your O2 sensor and "service required" light, I'll just counter with my own experience that after having my "service engine soon" light come on as a result of the O2 sensor in my 96 Chevy Impala SS, I fixed it by adding about 35% E-85 to my gas and this highly oxygenated fuel then burned the sensor clean and the light went out and the engine came back out of reversion mode for fuel metering. So while you claim ethanol ruins your stuff, it fixed mine, and often running a higher blend of ethanol than the prescribed 10%(which all cars are now built to take) resulted in my engine outlasting the transmission and the rest of the car.

FYI: Ethanol ups the octane of gasoline by quite a bit, so blenders now blend crappy cheaper and lower octane gasoline with the ethanol to achieve the same octane ratings that once required better gasoline. It pains me to see fellow republicans being turned against ethanol with the kind of poppycock arguments spelled out above and usually only effective on Democrats.

26 posted on 10/15/2012 2:54:26 PM PDT by ME-262 (Ichabod)
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