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Luntz Focus Group Split on Romney's Debate Performance
NEWSMAX ^ | 10/23/12 | Greg McDonald

Posted on 10/23/2012 6:20:52 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks

A focus group of undecided voters appeared to be split over Mitt Romney's debate performance on foreign policy Monday night, with some saying he failed to distinguish how he would do things differently from President Barack Obama and others saying he finally came across as more "humane and relatable."

The group, appearing on Fox News' Sean Hannity show along with Republican strategist Frank Luntz, declared Obama the overall winner of the debate when the two candidates stuck strictly to foreign policy and military issues.

But when the debate veered into economic policy as a national security issue, most in the focus group said Romney was more credible than the president.

"Mitt Romney . . . is capable of taking this country and turning it around. And once we have that, we'll have more security. We need that security," said one woman in the group.

"The reality of the situation is foreign policy is secondary to our dreadful economy," a man in the group said. "And Mitt Romney has a plan to improve the economy. Obama does not."

"It's Obama's Achilles heel," added another group participant.

"Mitt Romney is aware that the economy is the major issue, so he keeps bringing it back to that because that is what appeals to most voters," another voter agreed.

In summing up the consensus view that seemed to emerge from the group, one man said, "I think the president did well tonight. I expected him to do well, he did well on the foreign policy. But I do agree it's not about the foreign policy in this election, it's just about the economy."

Asked to weigh in on how Romney came across to them in the debate, one woman voter offered this view: "Wall Street-driven. Certainly not a well-rounded leader."

(Excerpt) Read more at newsmax.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012debates; luntz; romney2012; undecideds
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1 posted on 10/23/2012 6:20:55 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Clint N. Suhks

These ‘undecided voters’ should get a life. It’s pitiful the way they thrive on the undeserved attention they get at election time.


2 posted on 10/23/2012 6:23:16 AM PDT by chickadee
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To: Clint N. Suhks

I don’t believe that the group was made up of undecided voters. First clue, there there several black participants. Does anyone believe that Obama will get less than 95% of the black vote? I doiubt that there were very many undecided voters there or anywhere for that matter.


3 posted on 10/23/2012 6:23:49 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Clint N. Suhks

Watched that focus group and had to switch it off. Florida is dumber for it.


4 posted on 10/23/2012 6:24:27 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Conservatism didn't magically show up in Romney's heart in 2012. You can't force what isn't in you.)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

At the end of the day, almost all of them said the economy was more important than foreign policy, and a majority said Mitt won the debate on economic issues. Advantage Mitt.


5 posted on 10/23/2012 6:25:08 AM PDT by DaveInDallas
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To: kabar

I think Obama will get 90% of the black vote, not 95%.


6 posted on 10/23/2012 6:27:19 AM PDT by Callahan
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To: Clint N. Suhks

“Dr” Frank Lunz AND his “”undecided” “Focus Group” CAN GO TO HELL!


7 posted on 10/23/2012 6:28:20 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: kabar

If this group was recruited as “undecided” then BO’s people have planted a few of their own, just like they do on CSPAN call-in lines.


8 posted on 10/23/2012 6:28:28 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: Clint N. Suhks
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When Obama made that comment, I couldn't help but think where were these things when Chris Stevens died.... Meanwhile, Obama went to Vegas.

9 posted on 10/23/2012 6:28:47 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: chickadee

They are not “undecided” at all. The are as you said merely seeking the limelight.


10 posted on 10/23/2012 6:29:06 AM PDT by Lacey2
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To: Clint N. Suhks

Most were plants from one side or another. To be undecided now you have to be living in a cave or dumber than a stump and those are the ones they are trying to impress.

Pray for America


11 posted on 10/23/2012 6:30:00 AM PDT by bray (Islam- A billion medieval savages can't be wrong!)
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To: kabar

When I see or hear of an undecided black voter, I think the issue is undecided about whether to vote....I don’t see an undecided deciding to vote for Romney, ever, or they would be in his camp now.

Every voter who did or would have voted for BO who does not vote this cycle is half a vote for Romney.


12 posted on 10/23/2012 6:30:16 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: DaveInDallas

At the end of the day, almost all of them said the economy was more important than foreign policy, and a majority said Mitt won the debate on economic issues. Advantage Mitt.


Which means they don’t care about the consulate attack or Iran’s nukes or that the Middle East is falling apart. Advantage obama.


13 posted on 10/23/2012 6:30:55 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: hoosiermama

Yeah, it was pretty laughable, all right. At least three of those “undecided voters” sure sounded like Obama campaign workers. I think at least one woman caught on (the lady with the dark hair in the front row) — she really got angry at one point. I thought she was going to get up and deck those Obama shills!


14 posted on 10/23/2012 6:31:47 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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To: dragonblustar

“Well, Governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets, because the nature of our military has changed”

Remember that ‘zinger’....except the Army still has Bayonets. Apparently nobody in camp Obama knew that (including the ‘factcheckers’).
Now, that level of ignorance scares me.


15 posted on 10/23/2012 6:36:10 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

Who was the big hair blond Obama voter freak with the balloon lips? She looks like she just came in from a night of street-walking.


16 posted on 10/23/2012 6:36:10 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Clint N. Suhks

I thought I had stumbled into a condo board meeting of Seinfeld’s Del Boca Vista.


17 posted on 10/23/2012 6:39:10 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Conservatism didn't magically show up in Romney's heart in 2012. You can't force what isn't in you.)
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To: DaveInDallas
At the end of the day, almost all of them said the economy was more important than foreign policy, and a majority said Mitt won the debate on economic issues. Advantage Mitt.

Exactly right. They said overwhelmingly that the economy was THE most important factor in this election, and overwhelmingly said Romney was best on the economy. I think that's the sense of the electorate in general this year, and that bodes well for a blowout and White House clean sweep.

Let's hope that also carries over to the House and Senate big-time (and let's work to make it so).
18 posted on 10/23/2012 6:40:29 AM PDT by TheCornerOffice
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To: US Navy Vet

19 posted on 10/23/2012 6:41:39 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

This groups was a farce. The overly endowed blond in the front row was the dumbest person I have heard on TV for a long time - she made even Chrissy Matthews seem smart.


20 posted on 10/23/2012 6:42:55 AM PDT by bjc (Check the data!!)
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To: KeyLargo
She reminded me of the woman in the Cars’ 1980s “Hello Again” music video.
21 posted on 10/23/2012 6:43:42 AM PDT by ConservativeStatement (Obama "acted stupidly.")
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To: lacrew
Now, that level of ignorance scares me.

And the lib morons that eat that up scares me. I know, I've got lib relatives harping like seals after Obama said that.

22 posted on 10/23/2012 6:44:57 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

They weren’t the brightest bulbs out here in voter land.


23 posted on 10/23/2012 6:46:31 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: chickadee

If you are undecided at this point, you should not deserve to vote.

This is not like looking into the refrigerator and trying to choose between two different things to make for dinner. Elections like these determine how our livelihood will be for the next four years, and even more in this case!

The fact that people don’t educate themselves is appalling. It would be a benefit to our country if at every election, voters were required to take a knowledge test to see how informed and knowledgeable about the current issues and potential consequences with either candidate.


24 posted on 10/23/2012 6:49:49 AM PDT by ObozoMustGo2012
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To: DaveInDallas

Yup, that’s what I saw too. Mostly they believed that Obama won the foreign policy (read military) part of the debate but Romney won economic issues. The majority said that economic issues were much more important at this time. One more note, 90% of them voted for Obama last time which just means that those are all mostly voters Obama isn’t re-convincing which is ultimately good.


25 posted on 10/23/2012 6:49:57 AM PDT by wiseprince
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To: lacrew
... bayonets, because the nature of our military has changed”

You can't have too many knives.

26 posted on 10/23/2012 6:52:19 AM PDT by depressed in 06 (6 November, 2012, the day our embarrassment is sent back to Kenya.)
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To: lacrew

Yep, you’re correct about bayonets. They’re standard issue with combat gear. So, bayonet ratio vs combat troop is still 1:1, same as always. About the number of ships in the navy; china is flexing its muscles in the pacific and has a goal of having a deep water navy. So, our navy’s role and responsibilitys have increased and not decreased. But, maybe not in obamas eyes.......


27 posted on 10/23/2012 6:53:21 AM PDT by snoringbear (Government is the Pimp,)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

No one on this particular panel was undecided, they almost came to blows a couple times! Luntz needs to vet these people a little better.


28 posted on 10/23/2012 6:54:23 AM PDT by Cathy
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To: lacrew

So do the USMC and the SEALS.

Hand to hand still happens, perhaps in Benghazi.

Soldiers and MARINES are not game pieces, even if ObaMa/Jarrett think they are, no?


29 posted on 10/23/2012 6:58:01 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: kabar

If you are undecided two weeks before the election you are either brain dead or an idiot, or a liar.


30 posted on 10/23/2012 6:59:38 AM PDT by Americanexpat
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To: Americanexpat

Not as brain dead as someone who decided to vote for Obama.


31 posted on 10/23/2012 7:00:29 AM PDT by JediJones (ROMNEY/RYAN: TURNAROUND ARTISTS ***** OBAMA/BIDEN: BULL $HIT ARTISTS)
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To: Americanexpat

At least if you’re undecided you’re showing some signs of intelligent life as opposed to an Obama voter.


32 posted on 10/23/2012 7:01:11 AM PDT by JediJones (ROMNEY/RYAN: TURNAROUND ARTISTS ***** OBAMA/BIDEN: BULL $HIT ARTISTS)
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To: KeyLargo

I think Luntz went to the nearest trailer park to get this group, I wasn’t impressed by the the quaility of this group.


33 posted on 10/23/2012 7:03:00 AM PDT by Americanexpat
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To: Clint N. Suhks

Most of them sounded like they live in New York. I’m guessing that they are decided in how they will vote in new York and are playing Luntz on how they will vote in Florida.


34 posted on 10/23/2012 7:04:45 AM PDT by TennTuxedo
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To: Clint N. Suhks

...”Another woman, who voted for Obama in 2008, said she’s having second thoughts about supporting him now because, “I actually found [Romney] to be more humane and relatable tonight.”...

HUMANE AND RELATABLE???? When Mitt Romney was chosen to be the GOP candidate, I was not excited because I really did not know anything about him and, as time went on the Democrats used that very lack of knowledge which was widespread, to demonize him, and to make a cartoon character out of him for months and months. I knew then that Mitt Romney was someone they feared..Now that I know who he is and what he is (gave away most of his income to charity and has been a humanitarian all his life), I see him as potentially one of our greatest Presidents if he gets the chance. He definitely has a complete grasp on ALL the problems we face both here and in Foreign Policy..HE TELLS THE TRUTH! He is not about demonizing Obama or the Democrat Party..He simply tells the truth and the chips fall where they may. America is burned up with envy and strife from a President who has spent his time in office dividing us, one from the other, and mostly through racism charges which is, to me, a great sin against our people as we are today. Mitt Romney is a man who loves his country, knows why and how we have achieved freedom and prosperity and he understands why politicians have wasted that freedom and that prosperity to bring us all to the brink of poverty and revolution. How this election could even be a contest in the mind of any American of any race is a mystery to me. We are human beings, on this planet at the same time in history and, to be sure, there are problems, but they are age old problems of ugly human nature which wants to enslave others and to pick and choose life’s winners. That kind of thing, run amok, will result in the same unimaginable horrors going on right now in Libia, Syria, Egypt and other parts of the world. If we do not care about what happens over there today, then tomorrow it will be on our doorstep. God, please give America a chance to right the wrongs and to keep the freedom you so graciously allowed us to have for 200+ years.


35 posted on 10/23/2012 7:09:38 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

The so-called undecideds we’re so partisan they nearly came to blows. Now that would have been some good TV.


36 posted on 10/23/2012 7:10:42 AM PDT by Calpublican
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To: Americanexpat

37 posted on 10/23/2012 7:14:29 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: DaveInDallas

At the end of the day, almost all of them said the economy was more important than foreign policy, and a majority said Mitt won the debate on economic issues. Advantage Mitt.
.
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Basically, this!

It’s hard for a challenger to “win” a debate on foreign policy against an incumbent even if there is an unpopular mission going on...people naturally wanna side with the troops and military and therefore the president.


38 posted on 10/23/2012 7:14:59 AM PDT by snarkytart
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To: chessplayer

No it means what it says. The ECONOMY is what they’ll be voting on and on that issue they think Romney will do better.
This is FL anyway...they’re not even close anymore. It’s going R.


39 posted on 10/23/2012 7:17:22 AM PDT by snarkytart
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To: kabar

The black lady on the second row left side did not change her mind,and the blond front row right side did nopt change her mind....


40 posted on 10/23/2012 7:21:40 AM PDT by rxtn41
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To: kabar

The black lady on the second row left side did not change her mind,and the blond front row right side did not change her mind....


41 posted on 10/23/2012 7:21:47 AM PDT by rxtn41
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To: US Navy Vet
Dr” Frank Lunz AND his “”undecided” “Focus Group” CAN GO TO HELL!

Not so fast!! That group was made up largely of folks who voted for obama in 2008. Most of them plan to vote for Romney now and while the majority thought that obama 'won' the debate, Romney won their support. They were not impressed with obama's answers and nearly to a person think that the economy is the most important issue facing America and they give Romney a clear eand decided edge on hat score.

42 posted on 10/23/2012 7:23:19 AM PDT by pgkdan (A vote for anyone but Romney is a vote for obama. GO MITT!!)
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To: bray
Most were plants from one side or another.

In this case I agree.

43 posted on 10/23/2012 7:24:32 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (To bid on this tagline space: www.jeffchandlerstaglinespace.com)
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To: Callahan
I think Obama will get 90% of the black vote, not 95%.

I think Obama will get more than 95% of the black vote. Where he will lag is turnout. Blacks are not going to vote for Romney the Republican and Mormon.

44 posted on 10/23/2012 7:25:44 AM PDT by kabar
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To: jazzlite

Well said. It bears repeating.

“HUMANE AND RELATABLE???? When Mitt Romney was chosen to be the GOP candidate, I was not excited because I really did not know anything about him and, as time went on the Democrats used that very lack of knowledge which was widespread, to demonize him, and to make a cartoon character out of him for months and months. I knew then that Mitt Romney was someone they feared..Now that I know who he is and what he is (gave away most of his income to charity and has been a humanitarian all his life), I see him as potentially one of our greatest Presidents if he gets the chance. He definitely has a complete grasp on ALL the problems we face both here and in Foreign Policy..HE TELLS THE TRUTH! He is not about demonizing Obama or the Democrat Party..He simply tells the truth and the chips fall where they may. America is burned up with envy and strife from a President who has spent his time in office dividing us, one from the other, and mostly through racism charges which is, to me, a great sin against our people as we are today. Mitt Romney is a man who loves his country, knows why and how we have achieved freedom and prosperity and he understands why politicians have wasted that freedom and that prosperity to bring us all to the brink of poverty and revolution. How this election could even be a contest in the mind of any American of any race is a mystery to me. We are human beings, on this planet at the same time in history and, to be sure, there are problems, but they are age old problems of ugly human nature which wants to enslave others and to pick and choose life’s winners. That kind of thing, run amok, will result in the same unimaginable horrors going on right now in Libia, Syria, Egypt and other parts of the world. If we do not care about what happens over there today, then tomorrow it will be on our doorstep. God, please give America a chance to right the wrongs and to keep the freedom you so graciously allowed us to have for 200+ years.”


45 posted on 10/23/2012 7:26:05 AM PDT by landerwy (Zero lied, who else will die?)
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To: snoringbear

You mean, uh, our Navy Corpse Men still carry, uh, bayonets?


46 posted on 10/23/2012 7:27:46 AM PDT by JediJones (ROMNEY/RYAN: TURNAROUND ARTISTS ***** OBAMA/BIDEN: BULL $HIT ARTISTS)
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To: Mouton

Agree. The black vote won’t turnout like they did in 2008. This is no longer an “historic” election.


47 posted on 10/23/2012 7:28:05 AM PDT by kabar
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To: dragonblustar
And the lib morons that eat that up scares me. I know, I've got lib relatives harping like seals after Obama said that.

Obama hurt himself with those comments. He looked childish and unpresidential. President Clinton must have been face palming when O did that.

48 posted on 10/23/2012 7:28:41 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (To bid on this tagline space: www.jeffchandlerstaglinespace.com)
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To: rxtn41

They were both Obama supporters. What is your point?


49 posted on 10/23/2012 7:31:16 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Clint N. Suhks
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50 posted on 10/23/2012 7:32:36 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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