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To: MSSC6644

I hope you saw the OFFICIAL Mormon source in post 73, to partly quote it “”Long before our God began his creations, he dwelt on a mortal world like ours, one of the creations that his Father had created for him and his brethren. He, with many of his brethren, was obedient to the principles of the eternal gospel. One among these, it is presumed, was a savior for them, and through him they obtained a resurrection and an exaltation on an eternal, celestial world. 8 Then they gained the power and godhood of their Father and were made heirs of all that he had, continuing his works and creating worlds of their own for their own posterity—the same as their Father had done before, and his Father, and his Father, and on and on.””

What a crock of lies and deceit you posted, you merely didn’t like the respected Catholic source quoted so you are claiming it as “ word of a poster for what the Roman Catholic church teaches about Mormonism”, Pope John II himself ruled on Mormonism as not being Christian in 2001. Every denomination from Lutherans, to Presbyterians, to Southern Baptists and the Greek Orthodox agree that Mormonism is an entirely different, made up religion, and is not Christian. One of the reasons is Polytheism and that Mitt Romney for instance, is in the process of becoming GOD.

You did claim that the respected Catholic source was lying, or made up the Mormon theology, yet you didn’t question it when you saw the official Mormon source saying the same thing. I get the impression that you harbor some hostility to Christian churches, especially since you seem wounded by the word “cult”, and your eagerness to gather the wagons around Mormonism, and your less than honest and straight forward method.

This is from another highly respected source on Catholic teachings. Tell me your denomination and I will look for their teachings on Mormonism.

“”While individual Mormons may be persons of good conscience, Mormonism itself is a belief system that would reduce the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit from being the three Persons of the one, true, and infinite God to being three limited, finite deities among an uncounted multitude of deities, all of whom merely reshaped small parts of a preexisting cosmos.

Mormonism teaches that human beings may, by practicing the tenets of its faith, become gods and goddesses themselves, with their own planets full of people worshiping them.””

http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/what-does-the-catholic-church-say-about-the-practices-and-beliefs-of-mormonism


78 posted on 10/26/2012 1:25:10 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt Romney is a mixture of LBJ and Nixon, Obama is a mixture of LBJ and Jimmy Carter.)
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To: ansel12; CatherineofAragon
The official Mormon source you cite was written in 1971. The source I cited which is by a Mormon apologist (very long, detailed and well-sourced) takes on this issue of people on other planets and discounts it. From another source (BYU) I learned that very few ideas are considered doctrinal or a doctrine of the Mormon faith. These are all Bible based.

According to the BYU article:

"In addition to its scriptural use, the word "doctrine" has a broad meaning in Mormon vernacular, where it is used to mean virtually everything that is, or has been, taught or believed by the Latter-day Saints. In this sense, doctrinal teachings answer a host of questions. Some relate closely to the core message of the gospel of Jesus Christ; others are farther removed and unsystematically lap over into such disciplines as history, psychology, philosophy, science, politics, business, and economics. Some of these beliefs qualify as official doctrine and are given to the Saints as counsel, exhortation, reproof, and instruction (2 Tim. 3:16). Continual effort is made to harmonize and implement these principles and doctrine into a righteous life. Other teachings, ones that lack official or authoritative standing, may also be widespread among Church members at any given time."

Later the same article states: "Many individuals write or preach their views. Some, by study and obedience, may learn truths that go beyond the stated position of the Church, but this does not authorize them to speak officially for the Church or to present their views as binding on the Church. There are many subjects about which the scriptures are not clear and about which the Church has made no official pronouncements. In such matters, one can find differences of opinion among Church members and leaders. Until the truth of these matters is made known by revelation, there is room for different levels of understanding and interpretation of unsettled issues."

It is these ideas I was trying to make known. I don't believe one does good service by not checking a source to its beginning. Who says something, when it was said, why and how are all important considerations.

I am a teacher. I get frustrated when others don't do what I taught my students to do - write clearly, know your audience and support your opinions with verifiable, acceptable sources. This isn't easy, but written communication lasts. It should be correct.

Name calling is particularly odious. I was referring to you as the poster that was purporting to speak for the Church. It isn't that I don't "like" the site you first gave. It's that the site itself hides its author and has no authority as spokesperson for the Roman Catholic Church. Feel free to respect whomever you want to. I want more from my sources.

Catholic Answers is often a credible source. However, the three paragraphs you cited hardly give a fair, detailed and thoughtful explanation of many Mormon thoughts, who promulgated them or how authoritative they are.

Nowhere did I claim anyone, especially not a respected Catholic source, was lying. I have no hostility to any church. I have a special regard for the Roman Catholic Church because she has been my source for happiness and peace for more than 68 years. The Church teaches and doesn't change her mind on doctrines. This is one of the pluses about her. I can count on her. I have learned how to discover TRUE CATHOLIC TEACHING. One of the major points of my reply to Catherine of Aragon was to say, I don't want others to tell me what someone else believes. If I want to know what any church has to say about another church, I'll find it myself. I prefer to know what a Church says about herself, officially and authoritatively.

I find those who are so concerned about "outing" the errors of an institution are not, necessarily, secure in their own belief system. Please do not respond to this. You have proven you have a bone to pick, you refuse to read what's written and you read things that do not appear in print. I see no further good in trying to make my point.

84 posted on 10/26/2012 4:18:26 PM PDT by MSSC6644 (Defeat Satan: pray the Rosary.)
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To: ansel12
Every denomination from Lutherans, to Presbyterians, to Southern Baptists and the Greek Orthodox agree that Mormonism is an entirely different, made up religion, and is not Christian. One of the reasons is Polytheism and that Mitt Romney for instance, is in the process of becoming GOD.

Now wait a minute. I'm a Missouri Synod Lutheran and would like to know where our chuch has specifically stated that Mitt Romney is in the process of becoming God, even a self-appointed one. They have not.

You are more full of hate (not to mention yourself) than Obama himself.

Mitt Romney may not be a "true Christian", by the definition of many, but the alternative is far worse. As far as I'm concerned, any ability he might purportedly have, or desire to become, the "our God" of this Earth, is nonsense. And if I'm wrong about that last, I'm pretty sure "The Father" will handle it.

BTW, who the heck are YOU voting for? If it's not Romney, you have voted for Obama. Good luck with the consequences, should Obama win.

(Former Palin, then Cain, then Gingrich supporter.)

102 posted on 10/29/2012 12:48:40 AM PDT by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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