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The Electoral College, Under Attack
Townhall.com ^ | November 2, 2012 | Mark Davis

Posted on 11/02/2012 5:33:54 AM PDT by Kaslin

As Tuesday’s election ticks ever nearer, my fervent wish is a solid electoral college win for Mitt Romney. Not to get greedy, but I’d like it in the bag before the wee hours of Wednesday morning.

I hope this is not asking too much. October’s poll swing and a broadening visceral sense tell me this election may not feature the nail-biting closeness we have been told to expect for months.

But if we are to be ensnared by a down-to-the-wire finish, get ready for the attendant micro-focus on the Electoral College, and the resulting debate over whether it should be scrapped.

I spent more than a little of my early adulthood weighing the merits of deciding the presidency on purely popular vote. It took me too long to cast off the myopia and historical illiteracy that led to my ambivalence.

So on the eve of this election, I hope to unburden anyone troubled by this dilemma. To those actively seeking to ditch the Electoral College, I hope to dash your efforts on the rocks of shame.

Simply put, the Electoral College is one of the most brilliant things conceived by our founders-- and not just because it kept Al Gore out of the White House.

It is a cornerstone of American exceptionalism, one of the unique things that makes our system one to be cherished against a tapestry of other enlightened nations following a more ordinary model.

We are not Finland or Jordan or Brazil. All nations have some substrata of political divides-- regions, provinces, some even called “states.” But no nation has ever risen from birth as a collection of states afforded so much stature that they are allowed, even expected, to routinely trump the national government in various collisions of governing interests.

Residents of my state of Texas share U.S. citizen status with residents of Oregon, Maine and Illinois. But our lives, cultures and passions may differ. The founders wanted a nation that exalted and protected those close-to-home interests. This is the precious gift of federalism, which has allowed our nation to flourish both literally and conceptually as a beacon for how to afford citizens the greatest liberty.

The framers of the Constitution could have easily fashioned an election system in which we funnel our votes into one giant hopper, count them all on election night (hoping on each occasion that we don’t get Florida 2000 on a national level), and the winner is the candidate with the most votes.

But they didn’t. And there was a reason.

The President is not just an expanded version of your Congressman. While the House of Representatives was established as an enclave for direct election, the Senate was originally elected by state legislatures, and the presidency was fashioned as an executive position (hence the name of that branch of government), filled by someone who would manage a federation of independent states, not a landscape of millions of individuals.

The realization that the Presidency is not like a race for your local school board is a gateway to dismissing the other arguments against indirect state-level election.

If it is an irritant that the voters in Wyoming may wield a sliver more per capita clout than the voters of California, there is comforting logic in realizing that this compels presidential candidates to build constituencies across a landscape of less populous states rather than just campaigning in our largest cities.

If it is discouraging that votes in solidly red or blue states seem lost in an ocean of foregone conclusion, there is inspiration to be found in the states that have changed from one party’s hands to another as political winds shift. The South was staunchly Democrat as the 1950s became the sixties. Wisconsin was a reliable blue state seemingly yesterday. A few states may change color before our eyes on Tuesday.

Red-state Democrats and blue-state Republicans are welcome to spark movements that lead to such change. Some succeed and some fail. But along the way, the votes of minority parties are not lost in a vacuum of obscurity.

Barack Obama walloped John McCain by 24 points in 2008. His lead over Romney in the Golden State appears to be roughly half of that, a potential leap of substantial significance.

Obama lost Texas by twelve points in 2008. An active state Democrat party, buoyed by changing demographics, is hungry to narrow the gap for future presidential races. That’s not likely next Tuesday, but after that, who knows? Varying margins of party domination are big news.

Changing our electoral system would require a constitutional amendment, a bar which is properly high. But there is mischief afoot by factions seeking to destroy the founders’ intent with a pernicious initiative called the National Popular Vote Bill.

It asks state voters to surrender their influence in a scheme by which a state’s electors would go to the candidate winning the national popular vote.

Sadly, from California to Illinois to New Jersey, it has passed in eight states and the District of Columbia, totaling 132 electoral votes.

If that total reaches 270, the Constitution is officially hijacked, our history and legacy dishonored. It is fairly depressing that voters in those states would be willing to forgo the clout afforded them at our nation’s birth for some subterfuge born of modern whim.

The bitter irony is that the forces behind this dark venture are using the engine of state’s rights to propel it. The Constitution allows states to determine electors in a manner of their choosing. if they choose this unwise path, they are free to do so.

A Democrat friend of mine predicts a Romney victory Tuesday, but only in the popular vote. He believes Obama will take the electoral vote, delivering sweet revenge for what he and other Gore voters had to swallow twelve years ago.

If that happens, I will be appropriately disheartened. But if my candidate loses the next six elections in the same way, you will never hear me lobby for the abolition of the Electoral College.

It is a part of the American fabric. It deserves to be explained and defended. For a while in my scatterbrained youth, I thought no more deeply than to say the presidency should go to the candidate with the most votes.

Much of the current push for change come from the left, fueled by the prospect of the Democrat votes that tend to spring from large population centers. But even if there were something about big-city life that made people vote Republican, I would be unswayed.

An opinion on this issue should not stem from individual political self-interest. It should flow from an appreciation for how the presidency was envisioned and established by the nation’s first stewards.


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To: BobinIL
The only thing I would like to see is the electoral votes awarded by district instead of by state. I am sick of Chicago manufacturing enough votes to award my EC vote to the Democrat every year.

I hear you. Same for Las Vegas/NV, Philly/PA, and every other state dominated by the Democratic-run metropolitan areas. It would surely break the power of those cities, but you'll never see the Pubbies do anything about it, even with a super-majority.

21 posted on 11/02/2012 8:04:49 AM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: jboot

There was a reason the founding fathers have started with the electoral college and it should be coninued


22 posted on 11/02/2012 8:07:53 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: DuncanWaring
From the link you posted, (and thank you for it:

In 1960, John F. Kennedy narrowly beat Richard Nixon in the popular voting, 49.7 percent to 49.5 percent, a smaller margin than Cleveland had over Harrison. But wait: Nixon won more states (Nixon 26, Kennedy and others 24). But no: Kennedy, who won bigger states, went on to win the electoral balloting, 303 to 219. This time we, the people, did not strike out. The popular-vote winner became president.

That puts the lie to what has oft been stated, that vote fraud in Chicago, won the election for Kennedy. Illinois electors would not have changed the out come, even if they had gone for Nixon.

Consider the election of 2000 and we had direct popular vote elections. Had J. "I was in Viet Nam" Kerry, won 49 states by a margin of 50,000 votes each and Bush had only won Texas by a margin of 2,500,000 votes, Bush would still have won the election. I know that is a highly unlikely scenario but it illustrates the point

23 posted on 11/02/2012 8:19:20 AM PDT by Holly_P
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To: King of Florida
I have a feeling that if Romney wins the popular vote and Obama wins the electoral college, you'll see a lot of FReepers screaming for its abolishment.

Of that, I have no doubt.

And I know it's not a popular opinion in these parts, but I've always favored elimination of the Electoral College.

A big part of the reason is because I abhor the two parties but a third party/parties will always have trouble getting a foothold in presidential races while the EC is in existence.

24 posted on 11/02/2012 8:34:59 AM PDT by gdani
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To: BobinIL
The only thing I would like to see is the electoral votes awarded by district instead of by state. I am sick of Chicago manufacturing enough votes to award my EC vote to the Democrat every year.

I'm in Illinois too Bob. I believe that Quinn won only two counties and carried the whole state last time. Hard to live with isn't it?

Imagine if every county (Parish in Louisiana) had one elector each. The rats would never win another election.

25 posted on 11/02/2012 8:38:25 AM PDT by Holly_P
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To: meyer; DuncanWaring; jboot; cripplecreek; a real Sheila; All

So many good comments here! Thanks fellow FReepers.

The EC a great idea for the reasons you mention. The Framers got it right.

What they also got (mostly) right was allowing only landowners to vote. The reason for that was that they wanted to prevent non-contributing members of society from voting themselves benefits that they would take away from the contributing members. Land ownership is probably not a good measure these days, but I would definitely like to bring back the spirit of this idea.

I’d like to see a drastic reduction in the voter rolls. I have no problem with retirees voting if they are retired from productive careers. But there are sound reasons why those on welfare and those who have never worked should not have a vote. It’s basically the same reason that children don’t get to vote. I would also give the vote to spouses of productive workers because they support a working spouse’s career.


26 posted on 11/02/2012 8:52:49 AM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: BobinIL
The only thing I would like to see is the electoral votes awarded by district instead of by state. I am sick of Chicago manufacturing enough votes to award my EC vote to the Democrat every year.

What you said. Only Maine and Nebraska do it the way it really should be done.

27 posted on 11/02/2012 9:04:18 AM PDT by Marathoner (If the bastard were to win reelection, let America burn. IDGAF anymore.)
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To: gdani
And I know it's not a popular opinion in these parts, but I've always favored elimination of the Electoral College.

A big part of the reason is because I abhor the two parties but a third party/parties will always have trouble getting a foothold in presidential races while the EC is in existence.


That's got nothing to do with the electoral college. 3rd party candidates get votes the same way as every democrat and republican. If you want to increase the chances of 3rd party chances you need to look at ballot access rules within the states.
28 posted on 11/02/2012 9:14:50 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: King of Florida

Nope. Not me anyway. The electoral college prevents the domination from being dominated by the coastal mega-cities. And, if Obama wins the College, we’ll deserve it.


29 posted on 11/02/2012 9:32:12 AM PDT by Little Ray (I have VOTED AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: generally
Repeal universal sufferage. Let the states and only the states decide who can and cannot vote.

Repeal the 17th Amendment.

With those two changes, we'd be back on track to having the Republic that our founders envisioned.

30 posted on 11/02/2012 9:35:55 AM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: Kaslin
One method of altering the Electoral College that is legal, does not require a Constitutional amendment, and nobody talks about, is to increase the size of the House of Representatives.

Congress capped the size of the House in 1911 to 435 seats. The population of the United States has tripled since 1911, but the number of Representatives has not.

It would be interesting to analyze how an increased House would affect the balance of power in the Electoral College.

-PJ

31 posted on 11/02/2012 9:38:57 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: cripplecreek
That's got nothing to do with the electoral college. 3rd party candidates get votes the same way as every democrat and republican.

When 100% of electors vote in lockstep on behalf of potentially only 51% of voters in a state it most assuredly keeps third parties down.

If you want to increase the chances of 3rd party chances you need to look at ballot access rules within the states.

I agree. I never said the EC was the *only* barrier.

32 posted on 11/02/2012 11:09:01 AM PDT by gdani
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To: Little Ray
The electoral college prevents the domination from being dominated by the coastal mega-cities

The flip side is the election is dominated by states like Ohio at the expense of states like Texas & California.

33 posted on 11/02/2012 11:11:40 AM PDT by gdani
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To: gdani

Don’t really see it that way, but I’d rather have the election dominated by Ohio, than by the Boston-DC megalopolis.


34 posted on 11/02/2012 11:23:48 AM PDT by Little Ray (I have VOTED AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Kaslin
The Framers gave us the EC system because it was the least prone to corruption.
35 posted on 11/02/2012 11:50:31 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Exterminate rats.)
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To: gdani
And I know it's not a popular opinion in these parts, but I've always favored elimination of the Electoral College.

Eliminate the EC, and in one generation (maybe less) you will see the USA break up into three or more separate confederations. And it won't be an amicable separation either.

36 posted on 11/02/2012 11:59:30 AM PDT by thulldud (Is it "alter or abolish" time yet?)
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To: jboot
Check Article I Section 2 para 1. “The House of Reps . . . and the electors in each State shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the state legislature.” The same goes for the 17th Amendment regarding senators.

So outside of the limitations of the 15th Amendment and poll taxes, and the 26th Amendment, states still have wide powers to decide who can vote for Congressmen and Senators.

And . . . State legislatures can still appoint Presidential electors.

We have only ourselves to blame for this dangerous drift into democracy.

37 posted on 11/02/2012 12:01:38 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Exterminate rats.)
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To: BobinIL
The only thing I would like to see is the electoral votes awarded by district instead of by state. I am sick of Chicago manufacturing enough votes to award my EC vote to the Democrat every year.

I agree. If you look at the county map during an election, most counties in California vote Republican, but the big city coastal areas always vote Democrat bringing down the rest of the state.

38 posted on 11/02/2012 4:40:06 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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