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Legalized Pot and Homosexual Marriage

Posted on 11/06/2012 10:11:53 PM PST by TigerClaws

Gay marriage passed in Maine and Maryland. Close in Washington and Minnesota.

CO voted to legalize weed. Washington too.


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To: Mtner77

Coming into our country without proper documentation is still illegal too. But the Fed doesn’t want us enforcing that either....


101 posted on 11/07/2012 7:11:30 AM PST by rfreedom4u (I have a copy of the Constitution! And I'm not afraid to use it!)
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To: Joseph Harrolds

Incorrect...All the illegals are going to Texas for their free in state tuition and all those Texan stoop labor jobs.


102 posted on 11/07/2012 7:20:18 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Joseph Harrolds

yes I am saying that, did I not make myself clear ?

5 days dope is in your system and yes you can go on about how beer etc detroys people but dso does drugs,

My sister started on dope and then wanted a better high so she got o speed, then ended up on heroin, so you don;t have to tell me about drugs as I have seen my brother and sister be destroyed by it

ever wondered why it;s called dope, because dopes smoke the shit


103 posted on 11/07/2012 7:29:59 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: ohioman

and that is why the dopes, yes dope smokers and turd psuhers want.

They can all F@@@ OFF AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED


104 posted on 11/07/2012 7:31:07 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: dragnet2
Incorrect...All the illegals are going to Texas for their free in state tuition and all those Texan stoop labor jobs.

Many of them go to Texas, granted...but have you ever been to southern California?

105 posted on 11/07/2012 7:33:47 AM PST by Joseph Harrolds
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To: Tublecane
How sickening it us to read a poster on a supposedly conservative forum fantasuze about a federal jackboot locking someone up for practicing a vice in accordance with state law which the Constitution provides absolutely no power to outlaw.

Exactly. While I am disappointed that the citizens of WA, OR, and CO thought it best to assert states' rights in this area and not in others, and while I am no friend of dope-smoking hippies and hipsters, I cannot cheer for federal agents imposing themselves through force of arms upon citizens who have told them to pound sand.

We are going to see some 10th Amendment crises in the near future. We are rightly on the side of individual states when they wish to reject Obamacare or enforce their immigration law. We advocate the overturning of Roe vs. Wade (good luck with that now) so that individual states may decide their own abortion laws and not be dictated to by the federal government.

When federal law clashes with a state's right to govern itself according to the Constitution, you should err on the side of freedom. You cannot cheer the ATF, FBI or other agencies when they stick guns in the faces of people whose ideals you don't support , then wonder why they show up for your guns or to confiscate your property over a violation found somewhere in the pages of Obamacare or the tax code.

I also think it is ridiculous when we scream 'Hate Crime!' when a minority attacks a white person. We are not agitating for fairness, we are simply legitimizing the language and tactics of the Left's war on us. It is wrong to legislate thought, period. And it is wrong to desire a federal government that can legislate and enforce whatever it wants. Both are squarely unconstitutional. Like it or not, we will need to sometimes make common cause and ally ourselves with people and causes that seem alien in the greater fight against creeping tyranny and socialism.

106 posted on 11/07/2012 7:41:54 AM PST by Cap74 (You can disagree with me. You can attack me. Do not lie to me.)
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To: manc
yes I am saying that, did I not make myself clear ?

You didn't answer all my questions. I'll repeat the one you didn't answer at the bottom of the post for your convenience.

5 days dope is in your system and yes you can go on about how beer etc detroys people but dso does drugs,

Alcohol metabolizes more quickly than marijuana, and thus it is possible to detect traces of marijuana in someone days after they've consumed it...but that doesn't mean their judgement is impaired days later by such miniscule amounts.

My sister started on dope and then wanted a better high so she got o speed, then ended up on heroin, so you don;t have to tell me about drugs as I have seen my brother and sister be destroyed by it

I have friends who indulge in pot now and then (I don't touch the stuff, or alcohol for that matter, myself), and it has no negative impact on their lives whatsoever.

Ok, we've traded anecdotes. Now what?

Here's the question you didn't answer:

Alcohol abuse damages the lives of millions, and kills thousands, every year. Given that, should we bring back Prohibition?

107 posted on 11/07/2012 7:43:35 AM PST by Joseph Harrolds
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To: manc
5 days dope is in your system

Wrong. The inactive metabolic byproducts of cannabinoids can stay in your system for several days - the key word being "inactive."

My sister started on dope

Actually, I'll bet she started on alcohol - or at the very least got to that drug before she started on the speed and heroin. (If she didn't, she's the exception.)

108 posted on 11/07/2012 7:44:28 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: Cap74
You cannot cheer the ATF, FBI or other agencies when they stick guns in the faces of people whose ideals you don't support , then wonder why they show up for your guns or to confiscate your property over a violation found somewhere in the pages of Obamacare or the tax code.

Some social "conservatives" have raised cognitive dissonance to an art form.

109 posted on 11/07/2012 7:50:17 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: Mtner77
"I would LOVE to watch one of these little collage pukes (that’s exactly what they are) fire up a joint in front of him."

LOL. Are you series? Every single day there are a stream of completely stoned kids strolling into high schools while local PD sit and watch and do NOTHING!

After a minimal amount of handwringing in Olympia, you will be able to buy pot over the counter in WA. Bet on it.

110 posted on 11/07/2012 7:50:46 AM PST by moehoward
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To: factoryrat
"It will be a problem for you when the drug cartels move in to eliminate the competition."

What makes you think they'll have to? Lots of criminal enterprises have 'legitimate business' operations too.

111 posted on 11/07/2012 7:53:18 AM PST by moehoward
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To: ohioman
It’s all a slippery slope that will lead the USA to ruin.

That's a very apt description of the federal War On Drugs' erosion of Constitutional limits on federal power.

112 posted on 11/07/2012 7:54:55 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: Responsibility2nd; gotribe
Becaue you don’t “give a damn about pot and gay issues”, you and millions of social liberals like you have no way in Hell of making a difference on other conservative issues like the economy and unemployment.

I don't see the connection. You can spell out the thinking behind this "bacause," or just expect FR to take your word for it - your call.

113 posted on 11/07/2012 8:06:43 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: moehoward

Just like the mafia. I guess you have to launer your money somehow. And just like the mafia, or the teamsters for that matter; you don’t deal on their turf without them getting a piece of the action. Legalizing pot is one thing, but this isn’t like prohibition. Prohibition was short-lived, the drug cartels have had decades to build up empires, and like all empires they’ll fight to maintain control. If you want pot, I don’t care, I’m just pointing out what I’ve seen happen in the past.


114 posted on 11/07/2012 8:07:39 AM PST by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: newzjunkey

The people have spoken. No blaming activist judges this time.


115 posted on 11/07/2012 8:08:40 AM PST by Coronal
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To: Mtner77
See that is your problem fool. It is NOT legal. Go watch reruns of Ron & Rand. It will cheer you up.

Moron, the point he was making was that the Fed level has no actual Constitutionally-defined power to declare pot illegal. If the several states choose to declare it legal or not is up to them. YOU are the fool, for cheering yet another usurpation of the 10th Amendment, all so you can cheer for a result that you like. Dolt.

116 posted on 11/07/2012 8:11:51 AM PST by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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To: factoryrat

Yeah. The way WA state has done it we legitimize otherwise illegal activity, plus the added bonus of maintaining the jack-boot goon squads (maybe even add to them) to maintain a war on ‘unauthorized cultivation’.

I’m all for decriminalization. That way it removes incentive and removes a cash stream from law enforcement. What WA has done, does neither.


117 posted on 11/07/2012 8:16:51 AM PST by moehoward
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To: Joseph Harrolds; Ghost of Philip Marlowe
Spoken like a true liberaltarian. Well, liberaltarians, who are joined with the left on the social issues, helped to put the communist back in the White House.

"An odd comment, given that I voted a straight Republican ticket (as I always do)."

As did I. To no avail. And I would respectively suggest it is the other way around. There will many people the Republicans kicked out of the tent and clearly turned off. Some ended up voting for Gary Johnson, some for Virgil Goode and some either stayed home or voted for Obama. If the Republican Party specifically, or the Right in general, wishes to take this country back then the message has to be about freedom and it has to be consistent and grounded in the Constitution.

Libertarians are the conservative's natural allies. There were a lot of them out there. The Tea Party, originally, was an alliance of both ideologies. The Ron Paul supporters were young people who were attracted to the idea of a strict Constitutionalist. Yes, they disagree with you on some social issues. But their votes were there for the taking. Their support of Ron Paul, or Gary Johnson, or their desire to reign in the federal government and end a decade of constant undeclared war was a clear rejection of the Democrtatic Party and Obama.

I did not vote Libertarian. I did not support Ron Paul in the primaries. But I'd sure as heck rather live in a country that was libertarian than socialist. If my wacky neighbor wishes to intoxicate himself or have sex that makes me uncomfortable, both of which which people have been doing since the start of time, I'll gladly stay away from him socially but accept his right to do as he pleases IF it means we join together and tell the federal government to adhere to the Constitution.

If we are going to tell Libertarians they are not welcome due to differences in how freedom is enjoyed, then we well regularly lose elections to people who tell us which freedoms no longer apply. Economic collapse, the NDAA, Obamacare, reckless foreign policy that leads to disaster... these issues are far more important and far more consequential than any squabble you or I or any conservative has with a libertarian. If you care more about what your neighbor does with his freedom then what your government does to yours, than you are the reason we have lost.

I think we can take back a lot of what we have lost, but it is going to take an alliance of everyone that is not a Statist. That means building an army that is not exclusively social conservatives. I wish that were not the case, but yesterday should make clear that it is.

118 posted on 11/07/2012 8:21:25 AM PST by Cap74 (You can disagree with me. You can attack me. Do not lie to me.)
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To: Cap74

Excellently stated.


119 posted on 11/07/2012 8:27:09 AM PST by Joseph Harrolds (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors... and miss. --- Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: moehoward

I only say what I say because I remember when gang bangers and off duty cops would “roll” (rob) crack houses in Michigan back in the 80’s and early 90’s. The crack dealers wised up, very heavily arming themselves. A pot dispensary with a lot of cash, and a lot of drugs, makes for a big fat target for the enterprising criminal elements, including the cartels. In this case, the government would be outmanned and outgunned; see mexico as an example.


120 posted on 11/07/2012 8:28:29 AM PST by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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