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America's coming civil war -- makers vs. takers
Fox News ^ | Published July 12, 2012 | Arthur Herman

Posted on 11/07/2012 3:51:00 PM PST by MinorityRepublican

“A house divided against itself cannot stand.”

Abe Lincoln used those words in 1858 to describe a country that was careening toward civil war. Now we’re a house divided again and another civil war is coming, with the 2012 election as its Gettysburg.

Call it America’s coming civil war between the Makers and the Takers.

On one side are those who create wealth, America’s private sector–the very ones targeted by President Obama’s tax hikes announced Monday.

On the other are the public employee unions; left-leaning intelligentsia who see the growth of government as index of progress; and the millions of Americans now dependent on government through a growing network of government transfer payments, from Medicaid and Social Security to college loans and corporate bailouts and handouts (think GM and Solyndra).

Over the past century America’s private sector has been the source of productivity, innovation, creativity, and growth–and gave us the iPhone and iPad. The public sector has been the engine of entitlement, stagnation, and decline -- and gave us Detroit and the South Bronx.

The private sector built the strongest economy in the world. It armed the free world in World War Two, and then in the three decades after the war turned America into the most prosperous society history had ever seen. It revived America in the Reagan and Clinton years, and thanks to the Bush tax cuts brought this country back from economic collapse after 9/11.

In those same years a growing public sector, by contrast, turned Europe into a cesspool of debt, stalled economies, and chronic social dysfunction that’s set the streets of Athens -- and perhaps other European capitals--on fire.

That’s where we’re headed, too, more rapidly than we like to think.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2012; civilwar; cw2; cwii; cwiiping; democrats; govtabuse; liberalfascism; liberalism; liberals; obama; obamavoters; progressives; shtf; socialism; socialistdemocrats; tyranny; waronliberty; welfarestate
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To: Vermont Lt
Logistics and strategy win wars.

Precisely.

You really don't expect anyone to post any realistic strategic hypotheticals in an open forum, do you?

Really. One need not be Sun Tsu to figure it out.

181 posted on 11/09/2012 3:24:42 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: sonic109
What really mattered was control of the Senate.

Without that going to the Republicans, the criminals in DC can proceed as they wish. Even having it was no guarantee of holding the communists at bay, but without it, there can be no impeachment, no budget to tie the administration down to, and no repeal of the most damaging policies.

182 posted on 11/09/2012 3:28:37 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: hopespringseternal
"Let's go our separate ways" is infinitely easier for people to grasp than economics theory.

That's the problem with Liberals, though.

They don't 'live and let live, despite all their ballyhooing about "tolerance". What they want is capitulation, not coexistence.

If you want to be different from them, you have to keep fighting for it.

183 posted on 11/09/2012 3:34:14 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Yup. Most liberal scumbags are for pro choice and pro gay marriage. when it comes to anything else they are communist control freaks. They are hypocrites and phonies. All of them.


184 posted on 11/09/2012 3:40:51 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: trappedincanuckistan
As much as looters can understand producers, producers rarely understand the thinking of looters.

The left does not recognize or understand productivity. They believe that wealth simply exists and that too many people are poor because the rich people got it all. They don't appreciate that a business generates wealth and that they are benefiting from its tax revenue. They believe that the business exists as a tool for a rich man to steal even more money from poor people. Taxes take that stolen money back and give it back to the regular people in their eyes.

Class warfare doesn't permit them to see any good in business or wealth creation.

185 posted on 11/09/2012 6:05:01 AM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: Smokin' Joe
What they want is capitulation, not coexistence.

They are drawn to political power like moths to a flame because they don't believe in the power of the individual to order his own life. They want to escape all personal responsibility.

That too can be an advantage because getting rid of any or all the "red" states would increase their political power. It would remove checks on their power.

If they were capable at all of grasping tax revenue their eyes wouldn't glaze over every time I bring up the fact that Obama has spent $6 trillion and has nothing to show for it.

186 posted on 11/09/2012 6:11:27 AM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: hopespringseternal
With rough math, six trillion is $20,000.00 for every man, woman, and child in the US.

Mind blowing expenditure, and not so much as a tattoo or even a T-shirt for most of us (SEIU excepted).

The 'drunken sailors' in DC ought to look like the illustrated man....(with apologies to current or former sailors everywhere).

Unfortunately, they'll have the binge, we'll just get the 'hangover'.

187 posted on 11/09/2012 6:19:00 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: CodeToad

That’s our boy, real gentleman.

Send it on to Jim so he’ll know what a jewel

the bastrd is.


188 posted on 11/09/2012 6:31:49 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
One would have to be able to quantify future revenues to answer your question, but based on the slope of the production curve for natural gas, it could go on for a few decades.

Future revenues are never a given in the Oil and Gas industry. They are price dependent, and also rely on depletion being replaced by new production.

The current surge in production is due to increased drilling and extractive technologies, but in the absence of new drilling that could change.

Figure gas wells commonly deplete by roughly 7% annually (some more, some less). While depletion (without new drilling or recompletions of existing wells) will cause price increases, people will reach the point where they'll burn the furniture to keep warm rather than pay more than they have (laffer curve).

Increased costs in manufacturing, electrical generation, and chemical feedstocks will affect a broader market sector, and the costs would be passed on to consumers.

At some point, an administration hostile to the production of our own energy will not be able to feed off of that, and the decline in Federal royalties created by depletion on existing wells and de facto moratoria on drilling new ones on Federal leases creates a situation which is fiscally unreliable.

Compound that with less disposable income after inelastic demands for heat and power are met, and the economic malaise becomes endemic.

189 posted on 11/09/2012 9:30:31 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: hopespringseternal

Most of the rabble on the left doesn’t understand. The left’s intellectuals understand very well. Their utopia cannot survive without producers. We will not be allowed to walk away. Even now there are violent undertones. You don’t believe the occupy thugs would slit your throat if it came down to it?


190 posted on 11/09/2012 10:30:45 AM PST by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: trappedincanuckistan
You don’t believe the occupy thugs would slit your throat if it came down to it?

The knife is already at our throats. Tell a democrat about the layoffs that are a direct result of Obama's policies and reelection and they will gloat. The left's intellectuals are already within a hair's edge of losing control of their rabble.

Which is all the more reason to get away from them. And the rabble would be happy to kick the evil, right-wing Jesus freaks out of "their" country. You will have a harder time with republican voters who actually love their country than with democrats.

A negotiation is not the same as asking permission.

191 posted on 11/09/2012 3:04:54 PM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: Smokin' Joe

>> “Future revenues are never a given in the Oil and Gas industry” <<

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Which is why I answered his question the way that I did.

But based on the price differential between the US and China and Japan, we are looking good for at least a decade, as to the salability of our gas.


192 posted on 11/09/2012 3:33:14 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
The outcomes of the house races, and the presidential and senate races, are statistically incompatible.

Somet'in' like dat.

Scroll down through the bar graphs on this page and tell me which one jumps out at you...North Dakota results

Keep in mind that a Democrat Senate stymies any attempt to thwart Obama's policies, and any attempt to hold him or others in the administration accountable for their actions.

193 posted on 11/09/2012 5:06:00 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Travis McGee
CW2 Ping

Concur.

194 posted on 11/10/2012 9:11:05 AM PST by archy
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To: MinorityRepublican
The article was written July 2012, and not enough people read it.

5.56mm

195 posted on 11/10/2012 9:28:03 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: editor-surveyor

I left for Alaska right out of HS in 1979. When I lived on Whidbey there was the Wahl Farm that dominated the Double Bluff area. He was also our school bus driver.

Did Kathy go to Langley High?


196 posted on 11/11/2012 7:46:59 AM PST by liberty or death
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To: liberty or death

Probably a ‘70 grad.


197 posted on 11/11/2012 5:30:22 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: NoLibZone; Eaker; Absolutely Nobama; afnamvet; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; An Old Man; APatientMan; ...
CWII Ping.


198 posted on 11/11/2012 6:54:44 PM PST by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: NoLibZone; Eaker; Absolutely Nobama; afnamvet; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; An Old Man; APatientMan; ...
CWII Ping.


199 posted on 11/11/2012 6:55:40 PM PST by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
How's that EBT thing gonna work out, when the dollar crashes?

Everybody's gotta eat....so how much food do they grow inside the beltways?


200 posted on 11/11/2012 7:06:47 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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