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White House website deluged with secession petitions from 20 states
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Posted on 11/12/2012 5:52:58 AM PST by Sub-Driver

White House website deluged with secession petitions from 20 states

Posted By David Martosko On 11:53 PM 11/11/2012 @ 11:53

How would Old Glory look with 30 stars instead of 50? As far-fetched as it may sound, the White House might soon be forced by its own rules to examine the question.

On Nov.7, the day after President Barack Obama was re-elected, the White House’s website received a petition asking the administration to allow Louisiana to secede.

If 25,000 people sign the petition by Dec. 7, it will “require a response” from the Obama administration, according to published rules of the White House’s online “We the People” program. (RELATED: Website petition to Obama: Please create “Do Not Kill” list)

The Louisiana petition has collected more than 12,300 signatures in four days. A separate effort from Texas has 15,400 supporters.

Similar petitions from 18 other states began arriving Nov. 9, bringing the total — for the moment — to 20.

The White House website publicly displays petitions that have attracted at least 150 signers. (RELATED: Obama petition initiative bashed as unethical campaigning with taxpayer resources)

“Michael E” from the New Orleans suburb of Slidell penned the initial proposal — the website doesn’t provide last names — in which he asked the Obama administration to “[p]eacefully grant the State of Louisiana to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government.”

His entire petition consisted of excerpts from the Declaration of Independence.

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1 posted on 11/12/2012 5:53:05 AM PST by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

They will never be taken seriously without actions. It’s just a formalized complaint at this point.


2 posted on 11/12/2012 5:55:10 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Sub-Driver

Free Republic was way out in front on secession. Looks like the rest of the country is waking up.


3 posted on 11/12/2012 5:56:41 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Sub-Driver
How would Old Glory look with 30 stars instead of 50?

I think they got this backwards. The 20 seceding states ARE the United States of America.

The other 30 are the United State of America.

4 posted on 11/12/2012 5:57:46 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: kingattax

Now it’s TWENTY.

Was 15 when we last checked.


5 posted on 11/12/2012 6:00:02 AM PST by left that other site (Worry is the Darkroom that Develops Negatives.)
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To: Sub-Driver

The names on the petitions will be forwarded to the IRS for audits and the TSA for the no-fly list.


6 posted on 11/12/2012 6:01:30 AM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot)
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To: Sub-Driver

I say we still have the best form of representative government, that Saudi oil money can buy!


7 posted on 11/12/2012 6:05:16 AM PST by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: Sub-Driver
How would Old Glory look with 30 37 stars instead of 50 57?
8 posted on 11/12/2012 6:08:26 AM PST by varon (11-06-2012 dob United Socialist Ghettos of America (USGA))
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To: Sub-Driver

Stupidity.


9 posted on 11/12/2012 6:08:55 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: Sub-Driver
bkm
10 posted on 11/12/2012 6:09:04 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Sub-Driver

bflr


11 posted on 11/12/2012 6:10:17 AM PST by rockinqsranch
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To: Sub-Driver
How would Old Glory look with 30 37 stars instead of 50 57?
12 posted on 11/12/2012 6:10:32 AM PST by varon (11-06-2012 dob United Socialist Ghettos of America (USGA))
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To: Sub-Driver

Save for later read.


13 posted on 11/12/2012 6:12:49 AM PST by borntobeagle (It's The End Of The World As We Know It And I Don't Feel Fine.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Future roster of the reeducation camp...


14 posted on 11/12/2012 6:17:49 AM PST by El Laton Caliente (NRA Life Member & www.Gunsnet.net Moderator)
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To: grumpygresh

Those on the petition list will now be on the governments IRS audit list and the domestic terrorist list.


15 posted on 11/12/2012 6:18:45 AM PST by ronnie raygun (bb)
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To: Sub-Driver
White House website deluged with secession petitions from 20 states

LOL! Okay, I'm as much for the exercise of this Inherent Right as anyone else, but....really?

First, 'citizens' can't petition the federal government to leave the Union.

Second, NO ONE has to 'ask' for their permission in the first place.

Third, it would have to be a written, legal document with legal verbiage such as Notice of Intent, Declaration of Secession, or (my personal favorite) Notification of Breach of Contract.

It would have to be submitted by the entity of the State, because the States that are the parties TO the compact.

If people want to leave the US, they can expatriate themselves. Haven't looked into the subject very much, but supposedly you get sent to your last 'nation of origin'.

Luckily for me, mine's the Republic of Texas. :-)

16 posted on 11/12/2012 6:19:41 AM PST by MamaTexan (In Propria Persona)
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To: grumpygresh
"The names on the petitions will be forwarded to the IRS for audits and the TSA for the no-fly list."

That's the problem I have with all these petitions. Everyone who signs is just self identifying for a target list. The Obama Administration is not one the citizenry can petition for redress.

17 posted on 11/12/2012 6:19:45 AM PST by Truth29
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To: SoFloFreeper

How is it stupid? Ever read the Declaration of Independence? Patriots are stupid for ignoring the obvious. The establishment will never relenquish power in Washington. Even if Romney had won nothing was going to change except the curtains.


18 posted on 11/12/2012 6:21:10 AM PST by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can STILL go straight to hell.)
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To: borntobeagle

Symbolic only. Nothing will come of this attempt the same as it did when Voter ID was being asked. Pointless in my opinion but gives the idea that people are indeed waking up to this bogus gubmint we now have.


19 posted on 11/12/2012 6:22:17 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: grumpygresh

> The names on the petitions will be forwarded to the IRS for audits and the TSA for the no-fly list.

That’s the reason I don’t use my real name on petitions that pertain to the US GOVT. Because that’s the first thing they do; place your name on the audit list then add you to the domestic terrorist list for follow-up investigation if your views are “too patriotic”...lol


20 posted on 11/12/2012 6:23:38 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Truth29

Yeah, and 200 years ago attending a committee of safety meeting put you on the list too. Grow some.

The White House website is under “maintenance” now anyway, so you can just use that excuse.


21 posted on 11/12/2012 6:25:50 AM PST by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can STILL go straight to hell.)
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To: HMS Surprise

It is stupid for different reasons, but among them is this: did the American people ask King George’s permission before declaring Independence?


22 posted on 11/12/2012 6:31:16 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: ronnie raygun

Yeah, and that’s two more reasons to sign. Grow a pair. I signed.


23 posted on 11/12/2012 6:32:07 AM PST by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can STILL go straight to hell.)
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To: Truth29

Given the amount of tweets I made to Obama, I’m likely on every watch list possible. Thought about that every time I did it. Didn’t stop me but I did think about it.


24 posted on 11/12/2012 6:32:07 AM PST by ShadowDancer ( Losers always look for excuses. Winners never quit.)
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To: MrB

THANK YOU for clarifying that point. You are correct.


25 posted on 11/12/2012 6:38:10 AM PST by STYRO (Do not accept unconstitutional government as legitimate government.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

“It is stupid for different reasons, but among them is this: did the American people ask King George’s permission before declaring Independence?”

You don’t understand the concept of civil protest?


26 posted on 11/12/2012 6:41:45 AM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Sub-Driver

I signed one.


27 posted on 11/12/2012 6:43:01 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Sub-Driver
So they went to the mailbox and 25,000 people held their breath to learn of the necessary response from the White House on their sessesion petition. The official envelope was carefully opened, the pristine page of White House stationery was extracted, unfolded and read. From the crowd of 25,000, a lone voice asks the question, “What did he say?” And the answer was given, “He said “no’,” replied the official. And 25,000 people went home hoping soon another hope would appear to hope for.
28 posted on 11/12/2012 6:44:31 AM PST by ThePatriotsFlag
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To: SoFloFreeper

Also you seem to be unaware that the colonists petitioned King George multiple times. Look up the Olive Branch Petition.


29 posted on 11/12/2012 6:48:33 AM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Sub-Driver

Government does not relinquish power because of the pen!

The pen ONLY becomes mightier than the sword when it brings people to the conclusion that they must take up arms against the ruling elite.

Maybe someday, before the unionized communist teachers remove all his writings from the American conscience, the words of Thomas Jefferson will be taken seriously.

The filth, staining every segment of our Federal government have even publicly stated, that “the free market is a joke and power comes from the barrel of a gun”. That’s liberal anti-2nd amendment scum speaking folks. Read their lips. Anita Dunn said this along with Ron Bloom at separate events. Of course they were quoting one of their favorite politicians, Mao. You know that mass murderer who Anita Dunn looks to for guidance.

Their is not enough industrial strength Janitor In a Drum, to clean our government buildings after this filth is finally removed from their dictatorship.

If I were elected President today, I’d rather stay at a Motel 6 then sleep in the bedroom that was infested with this POS and his wookie wife.


30 posted on 11/12/2012 6:49:33 AM PST by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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To: ThePatriotsFlag

It is our right to petition. Even if the response is known, it is a process that promotes discussion.

http://www.gopetition.com/freedom-of-petition.php


31 posted on 11/12/2012 6:54:25 AM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: HMS Surprise

Putting your name on a White House petition is not growing some. It is just doing their work for them. If you want to do something, almost anything else is likely more effective.


32 posted on 11/12/2012 6:56:54 AM PST by Truth29
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To: Kirkwood

....and got punished....which is likely what will happen to these people. I stand by my statement.

Anyone who thinks Obama can be persuaded to permit greater freedom and liberty for individuals is stupid.


33 posted on 11/12/2012 7:03:51 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: central_va

Any attempt to succeed will be brutally put down by the Gay Military. Obama is the Gay Abraham Lincoln.


34 posted on 11/12/2012 7:07:03 AM PST by Usagi_yo
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To: MamaTexan

It should be approached more locally. For instance, the State of IL should secede from Cook County (Chicago) . This is where the vote fraud is going on and where most of the corruption is concentrated.


35 posted on 11/12/2012 7:16:08 AM PST by virgil
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To: HMS Surprise

I thought about it, but decided let them Come and get me. I signed. Long live the Republic of Texas!


36 posted on 11/12/2012 7:25:52 AM PST by Newton (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: Sub-Driver
secession petitions from 20 states

Wrong!

They are petitions from individuals or groups in 20 states.

As of this morning, not one state of the 50 or even the 57 have held votes on secession. Unless and until they do, those reporting such petitions need to be a bit more professional in their words.


37 posted on 11/12/2012 7:46:02 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: Sub-Driver

Way to go. Get on the no fly list and alert the FBI to who they need to watch.


38 posted on 11/12/2012 7:48:28 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Usagi_yo

Secession does not mean war. It is only because of statist thugs that the 2 have become synonymous.


39 posted on 11/12/2012 8:02:21 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Sub-Driver

What’s the sense in asking for permission froma lawless regime? The Cofederate States had more guts than the petioners; they seceeded and THEN told the Yankee government.

You may disagree all you want, but they had the courage of their convictons, something sorely lacking today. We can complain all we want from the safety (for now) of our keyboards, but would we take action?

IF SECESSION NOT, THEN REVOLUTION MUST


40 posted on 11/12/2012 8:04:57 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: central_va
Free Republic was way out in front on secession. Looks like the rest of the country is waking up.

Hmm. Where to start. Advocating secession is not something that JimRob has ever done. He's been pretty clear about this since day one. And in fact the FR rules forbid it.

Free Republic does not advocate or condone racism, violence, rebellion, secession, or an overthrow of the government. Free Republic advocates a return to constitutionally limited government, reserving all government powers not expressly delegated by the constitution to the United States to the States respectively, or the people, emphasizing sovereign state governments, local government, self-government and self-rule, while restricting government powers to only those enumerated in the constitution and maximizing individual rights and liberty as originally envisioned and established by our Founding Fathers and secured and defended by the blood of patriots and statesmen for over two hundred years.

On the other hand FR has always encouraged like-minded Conservatives to speak their minds and discuss events in the news. And the topic of secession has been in the news more and more. As the full reality of what having the executive branch dominated by far-left crazies has grown on us all, the discussions have naturally moved into the discussion of secession. It's in the news, so it's fair game.

But I wouldn't say that FR has had a leadership role in promoting secession. And in fact I can remember JimRob banning people who were aggressively promoting such ideas six or seven years ago.

The website DumpDC is probably the leading website advocating secession as a general cure-all for what ails the USA. And there are lots of other ones focusing on the secession of a particular state or region, like Texas or Dixie. Some of these sites are on FR's permanent list of banned sites.

Anyway, that's my view. It's certainly a topic in the news that is discussed here but FR is dedicated to maintaining and perfecting the Republic - the whole Republic, not just parts of it.

41 posted on 11/12/2012 8:14:14 AM PST by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Usagi_yo
Any attempt to succeed will be brutally put down by the Gay Military. Obama is the Gay Abraham Lincoln.

I almost want to make this my tag line! It's perfect. I don't know if you intentionally misspelled it, but that makes it even better.

Secede: to withdraw from an organization (as a religious communion or political party or federation).

Succeed: to come next after another in office or position or in possession of an estate; especially : to inherit sovereignty, rank, or title; to follow after another in order; to turn out well; to attain a desired object or end

42 posted on 11/12/2012 8:20:32 AM PST by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Jack Black

Yep, any attempt to succeed in this country will be severely punished.

Yep, that includes the definition of bettering yourself and your position in life,
and the definition of passing on something to your heirs.

Any attempt to do either will be put down and thwarted.


43 posted on 11/12/2012 8:24:28 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Kirkwood
It is our right to petition. Even if the response is known, it is a process that promotes discussion.


Knock yourself out.
44 posted on 11/12/2012 8:36:38 AM PST by ThePatriotsFlag
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To: jsanders2001

“They will never be taken seriously without actions. It’s just a formalized complaint at this point.”

More time required yet.

An interesting point, as detailed in yesterday’s Washington Times, is that an increasing number of state legislatures are now under one-party control (both in blue states and red states). The states are becoming increasingly -divided-.

It’s not 1861 yet. We’re still around 1853 as of now...


45 posted on 11/12/2012 8:49:54 AM PST by Road Glide
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To: Sub-Driver

What began as a pair of parallel stunts appears to have gathered steam. Other than Louisiana and Texas, states with secession-related petitions pending on the White House website now include Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oregon, South Carolina and Tennessee.

Three states – Georgia, Missouri and South Carolina are each represented by two competing petitions.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/11/white-house-website-deluged-with-secession-petitions-from-19-states/#ixzz2C1omBJaR


46 posted on 11/12/2012 8:59:58 AM PST by WVKayaker ("Mitt Romney couldn't keep up with lies and spin of Barack Obama" - Sarah Palin 10/24)
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To: Jack Black
Why should we secede?

Let's just kick the parasites out and let 'em find a new name!

47 posted on 11/12/2012 9:19:24 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Sub-Driver
Well, I looked at the 'North Dakota' petition, but only saw two people who claimed to be from ND in the signature list.

Folks, I think this is agitprop designed to be able to brand the 'red states' as in rebellion as an excuse to permit declaring Martial Law to 'occupy' those same States and suspend the Constitution.

Agents provacateur, anyone?

48 posted on 11/12/2012 9:25:02 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: MamaTexan
From what I saw, the names on the list were not even from the state I looked at (North Dakota) with one exception (and that is a from a small town not on many maps).

For any petition to have weight or standing it would have to be signed by people from that state.

Otherwise, we could all get together sign for and have Washington DC, New Jersey, New York, California, (pick a state or other political entity) thrown out....

49 posted on 11/12/2012 9:32:32 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: varon

I think people are forgetting Puerto Rico, voted for statehood. Therefore it goes from 58 stars down to 28.

I think obama plans to replace the star section with his own image. Or a good ole hammer and sickle in the corner. So this whole discussion of stars maybe moot.


50 posted on 11/12/2012 9:34:02 AM PST by castlegreyskull
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