Posted on 11/13/2012 11:37:37 AM PST by SeekAndFind
The more than 25,000 Sunshine Patriots who signed the petition to have Texas secede from the United States might get a response from the White House.
Yahoo News:
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Looks like the Obama administration may have to respond to a petition seeking the green light for Texas to secede from the United States-one of 20 such requests filed on the official White House website since Election Day. At the time of the writing of this post, the Texas secession petition had garnered 25,318 signatures-above the White House's self-imposed rules for requiring a reply.
(A "Recount the election!" petition filed Nov. 10 had 16,238 signatures. "Regulate Internet Pornography"? Not a big winner. It was filed Nov. 4 and had only 501 signatures.)
The White House may opt out of replying. Under its own rules, "To avoid the appearance of improper influence, the White House may decline to address certain procurement, law enforcement, adjudicatory, or similar matters properly within the jurisdiction of federal departments or agencies, federal courts, or state and local government in its response to a petition." Other secession petitions include requests for Arkansas, South Carolina, Georgia, Missouri, Tennessee, Michigan, Colorado, Oregon, New Jersey, North Dakota, Montana, Indiana, Mississippi, Kentucky, North Carolina, Alabama and New York. (Spoiler alert: No, the White House won't approve secession.)
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No, the White House won't approve secession. And yes, the signers are indeed sunshine patriots. To cut and run when things look bleak perfectly fits the description of Tom Paine, who wrote of them, ..."the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country..." "Shrink" is what these so-called Americans are doing. Giving up. Surrendering. Is there any other way to describe their cowardice?
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Someone stated, “Obama’s not going to go down in history as the man who let the country fall apart.”
No, he will not be accused of letting if FALL apart, he will be accused of causing it to implode. The results will be the same but the blame will be different.
Good luck with that. While you're at it, maybe you could restore the English throne to the rightful Stuart heir. I think it's Franz, King of Bavaria.
Sure. But more to the point, we'll come to be seen as a failed state that couldn't even hold itself together.
Some rump state isn't even going to be very convincing in what it believes or in its ability to pass on what the secessionists claim to believe to the next generation.
Give up Washington, DC, Gettysburg, Independence Hall, Plymouth Rock, probably Mt. Rushmore and Mt. Vernon, and what do you have left?
Of course secessionists are going to deny that, but the bravado covers a lot of insecurity about whether secession would really bring about the effects you think it would.
Just how much clout do you think we will have after our currency collapses? For that matter, given where Europe is headed, it doesn't look like there is going to be much of a "world stage" left in a few years.
Buck up folks. Obama is self-destructing before our very eyes.
You're delusional. Benghazi has its fall guy. By this time next month Petraeus will be blamed for dandruff and bad breath too.
During the building stage, I think you would have had more of a point. China now has most of our technology, and a domestic economy that can sustain at least some semblance of it’s current stance.
I’m not convinced that if we and every other nation pulled out at this point, China would go back to what it was.
I’m not totally convinced you’re wrong, but have serious doubts.
“Is there any other way to describe their cowardice?”
Yeah, Rick, there is.
Love to hear this loser’s opinion of our Founders. spit.
Agreed.
We did try to work through established channels. The British fired on our militia and a war started. After over a year of war, we declared our independence.
That's not what the secessionists of 1861 did. They were part of a democratically elected, constitutional government. They declared themselves seceded, formed an opposing country, seized property, and fired on US troops. They didn't work through the existing Constitution. They started the war.
Do you really not see the difference?
The debt we have today is very dangerous all by itself. What would happen if we faced a real crisis that required yet another massive increase in debt?
But even barring that, even if Romney had won and had a republican majority, the growth of the debt would take several years to get under control and it would require at least one generation to grow the economy to catch up with it. There is pretty much zero chance of us maintaining a responsible government for that long. It simply is no longer in our national character.
Now we have at least two more years before there is much of a chance of even starting the process. The staggering fact is that the debt will probably increase by 15 to 20% in that time alone and there is no guarantee republicans will win big enough to effect any kind of meaningful change either or would even if they can. And in all likelihood the economy will be stagnant or even shrink on top of all that.
The world has pretty much already written off the dollar as a stable currency already, and that is all that has let us get away with we are doing this long.
Wishful thinking has always been a bad response to reality. We are at the point where a lot of things have to break exactly the right way and the first of those has to be the very return to sanity that just keeps getting kicked down the road.
I don’t think succession gets us back on the right track. It further divides us as a nation.
No, wishful thinking won’t get us back on track, as long as succession is the result of it.
Wishful thinking that pushes us to devise new healthy strategies to get things back on track will.
I was trying not to open the can of worms about whether or not the war was fought over slavery.
I am opposed to slavery. If I said the states were right, it would appear to many that I am condoning that “peculiar institution” that ended in the South after the war.
If the South had won, that “peculiar institution” would have continued, for a time.
The lying leftists already spread the hideous falsehood that conservatives are racists, so why give them any more reason to buy into it?
“Both Hitler and Obama used domestic terrorists to launch their careers. Hitler had his Brown Shirts from his beer hall days, and Obama had people like Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, and Rashid Khalidi.”
Hitler used false flag operations like the Reichstag fire and Gleiwitz incident to usurp power, Obama used Fast & Furious to undermine the Second Amendment.
Hitler used the Blomberg and Fritsch affairs to put his puppets at the top of Germany’s army.
I wonder what all of these recent American military scandals and resignations are about?
See my tagline.
Why would anyone want to secede? If you secede, you won't be able to vote for Sarah Palin when the GOP nominates her for president in 2016.
“Texas has 3 million on Medicare and 4.5 million on Medicaid.”
Yeah, and once the Republic of Texas passed new work-for-welfare laws that were backed up with stiff penalties for non-compliance (automatic deportation to the blue state of their choice is my personal favorite), then we could improve that little situation. :)
I’d be willing to bet my next Social Security check (electronically signed by Baraq Hussein Obama btw)
that Texas becomes a solid blue part of the USA before it becomes an independent republic)
Ref: California
Who is us? The half the nation that voted for more debt, more free stuff, less freedom? The half that is oblivious to the state of the nation?
There are two diametrically opposed philosophies driving the two sides. There is no one right track for both sides. One side wants freedom.
The other wants someone to take care of them and they don't care what it costs. They have already run far beyond what can ever be paid for and they are hankering for more. You will never sell your ideas to them, those ideas go against their most basic beliefs.
Are you even aware that Obamacare is forcing religious people to directly pay for abortions for their employees? The left says to take your moral objections to abortion stick it and pay up. There is no reasoning with that, no compromise.
So you want to be a great nation on the world stage? By 2016 the debt will be such that the future will be deciding between paying interest on it and entitlements. Defense? Forget it. And that is only if we don't trigger inflation, and interest rates don't go up. Then it will get ugly.
Lol. I won’t argue with that one. Then add another Republic of Texas law that says all people who became U.S. citizens within the past 3 (or so) years must be deported to the blue state of their choice and reapply for Texas citizenship. Meanwhile, we’ll dig a moat, build a huge concrete wall, and do whatever else it takes to keep illegal aliens out. Oh, and we’ll also tell France to go to hell.
(Please don’t take me seriously. Well, maybe just a little. Especially the part about the wall and moat. ;)
That would reset the center well to the right of the current republican party.
“Not to mention that voting will be limited to producers.”
Ohhhhhh... I like it!
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