Posted on 11/16/2012 7:27:33 AM PST by BobNative
“Lincoln refused to meet with Confederate commissioners who came to Washington to negotiate a peaceful separation in February of 1861.”
But then he had no more authority to negotiate a peaceful separation than the Obama administration has to “Peacefully grant the State of...to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government” in accord with the various petitions we read about.
“He did not seek a constitutionally required declaration of war...”
Why would a declaration of war be constitutionally required? If they were not acknowledging the right to secede, it would be a matter of an internal insurrection, not an external threat. “The Conch Republic is a micronation declared as a tongue-in-cheek secession of the city of Key West, Florida from the United States on April 23, 1982.” If somebody really wanted to make an issue of it, would Congress have to declare war against the Conch Republic just because they say they are a nation, or could Florida just send in the cops/national guard?
Yes indeed, the sole argument stated as a cause for complaint in South Carolinas declaration was the conflict about Article IV of the Constitution, and it was cited by several other states too; and slavery was the stated issue across all the seceding states even where the constitutional point of Article IV was not cited.
The 2nd time they did. During the Nullification Crisis of 1830 it wasn’t the issue. The Nullification crisis was an attempt by South Carolina to refuse the laws of the National Government due to excessive tariffs by threatening secession. Tariffs were the continuing, burning, simmering, underlying issue. The slavery issue, to the South, was the ‘straw that broke the camel’s back’ by 1860.
Yes, I either support the freedom to choose you own political offiliations or I support slavery......*roll eyes*
You’re running on emotion, not logic and reason.
The arguments in this review are mostly silly.
The best reason not to see it is because it was made by Spielberg.
John Adams represented the British soldiers after the Boston Massacre. He was a stealth Royalist!
Have you ever considered the words of the Battle Hymn of the Republic?
As He died to make men holy, let US die to make men free
Union soldiers were fully aware they were fighting to end slavery. Historical revisionism is irrelevant.
And yet you are apparently totally at a loss to point out any of the imagined fallacies.
Typical.
Glad you preceded your comment with an accurate disclaimer about it.
You can find documentation to support “slavery was the cause” and you can find it to support the opposite. As the piece says, for 85 percent of Southerners it makes no sense that they were fight for slavery.
This comment, however, is spot on, and a point I have made for years.
“Today, almost all of us are victims of the uncontrollable federal government and taxing excesses that were spawned by President Lincoln’s war.”
Lincoln decided the question about states rights vs powerful central government. We are now reaping the rewards via Obama and the destruction of the U.S.
Thanks.
Bushwa!
That's almost as misleading as calling Nazis "Right wingers"
Democrats were and are liberals. Self determination and independence are and have always been Conservative principles. The will to keep people in plantations clearly militate against that.
bttt
you are right. This author and freeper has believed the lefts lies about Lincoln not being so noble.
LOL! That was the exact thought I had.
Have you noticed how otherwise good FReepers who are also Lincoln lovers default to libtard-type “reasoning” when it comes to these discussions?
NO, the arguments in this review are TRUTH....., reason not to see it. Prior to the movie coming out, I knew it would be filled with some NONinformation.......failure to disclose.
Spielberg has a tin ear for history. “Amistad” was a colossal artistic and commercial failure. And though it’s unpopular to say, absent the magnificent first twenty minutes of “Saving Private Ryan,” that film stinks up France.
“Lincoln” is a hit with the critics, but once the castor oil fans dutifully see it opening weekend, along with a bunch of school kids forced to watch it so they can write their “themes,” no one will pay to see it.
BTW, it did officially “open” — in eleven hand-picked theaters — and sold out. Big deal.
Watch it drop like the stock market when it plays in the multiplex in the mall.
You are absolutely correct. ALL Conservatives should not see this or any film made by Obama sycophants.
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