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The 49ers (How ObamaCare will keep unemployment high)
NY Post ^ | 11/18/12 | MICHAEL TANNER

Posted on 11/18/2012 3:53:03 AM PST by Libloather

How ObamaCare will keep unemployment high — by forcing small companies to cut their workforce to fewer than 50 people
By MICHAEL TANNER
Last Updated: 4:32 AM, November 18, 2012

**SNIP**

Under ObamaCare, employers with 50 or more full-time workers must provide health insurance for all their workers, paying at least 65% of the cost of a family policy or 85% of the cost of an individual plan. Moreover, the insurance must meet the federal government’s requirements in terms of what benefits are included, meaning that many businesses that offer insurance to their workers today will have to change to new, more expensive plans.

ObamaCare’s rules make expansion expensive, particularly for the 500,000 US businesses that have fewer than 100 employees.

Suppose that a firm with 49 employees does not provide health benefits. Hiring one more worker will trigger the mandate. The company would now have to provide insurance coverage to all 50 workers or pay a tax penalty.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alteredtitle; companies; obamacare; unemployment; workforce
What a plan.
1 posted on 11/18/2012 3:53:14 AM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather

and they wanted to do this and an added bonus liberals will boycottt you if you try and stay in business


2 posted on 11/18/2012 3:54:47 AM PST by scooby321 (AMS)
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To: Libloather

Quite an achievement for a fraud who can’t pass E-verify.


3 posted on 11/18/2012 3:57:56 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: Libloather

I’m glad the MEDIA and news are reporting this NOW after the election...thanks traitors!!!


4 posted on 11/18/2012 3:58:46 AM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: Libloather

My wife works for a small company with just over 50 employees. Small Family Business. They had a meeting last week and have decided they can’t afford the mandates and will be letting enough workers go to get under 50.


5 posted on 11/18/2012 4:00:58 AM PST by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: Libloather
I wouldn't say that unemployment will be high, because as companies reduce full time hours to part time, they will need to hire more part time workers. But underemployment will be rampant and permanent. Middle class will now mean two jobs, and the "rich" will only have one job with benefits.
6 posted on 11/18/2012 4:02:51 AM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: PeteB570

Soon they’ll dump this 50 employee thing and say all full-time workers. THAT is when everyone works 29 hours a week.


7 posted on 11/18/2012 4:03:34 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Libloather

Guess zero didn’t realize the ‘collateral damage’, NOT.


8 posted on 11/18/2012 4:03:48 AM PST by duckman (I'm part of the group pulling the wagon!)
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To: GeronL

THAT is when everyone works 29 hours a week.
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = == = = =

AND since the businesses will stay open just as long, that will require DOUBLE THE EMPLOYEES, which will drive the unemployment #’s downward..

Everyone thinks BO is stoooooooooooooopid, but in reality, he is a genius. (BARF)

See, a blind squirrel does find an acorn now and then.


9 posted on 11/18/2012 4:17:17 AM PST by xrmusn (6/98 "Hope in one hand and $hiite in the other and see which fills up first".)
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To: Libloather

I once worked for a manufacturing operation that had several European sites. The one in Gouda, Netherlands was perpetually just under 100 employees, for if the company went over 100 it would be pretty much impossible to dismiss any of them.


10 posted on 11/18/2012 4:28:10 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: xrmusn

bump


11 posted on 11/18/2012 4:29:10 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Libloather
Is there not one GOP representative willing to pursue impeachment of this bastard?

I want my country back...NOW!

12 posted on 11/18/2012 4:31:28 AM PST by panaxanax
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To: duckman

Obamacare is a disaster for this nation. My only hope is that those who voted for zero get hit first and realize the stupidity of their vote.

Is this being done on purpose, or did the DEMS, as usual, not look beyond their “good intentions” to see the consequences of this stupid a** bill?


13 posted on 11/18/2012 4:36:52 AM PST by Catsrus
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To: Libloather

Another option here for a business with, say, 60 employees to break into two separate companies with 30 employees apiece.


14 posted on 11/18/2012 4:37:55 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: Libloather

And people seem just fine with it. Back when America was a strong nation, high employment was regarded as problematic.. nowadays, it`s the “new normal,” along with record numbers of those in poverty, on welfare and on foodstamps.

Americans would`ve been outraged... but not the submissive, needy subjects who comprise “New Amerika.”


15 posted on 11/18/2012 4:57:14 AM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: Libloather

We are at 52.

We will be at 49 by January.

Three people will be laid off and we will use temps if we get in a bind.


16 posted on 11/18/2012 5:00:41 AM PST by NY.SS-Bar9 (Mitt has dogs for pets - Obama had them for lunch)
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To: Libloather

But the government will still feed us bogus numbers and claim that 20% unemployment is only 7.8% unemployment.


17 posted on 11/18/2012 5:01:06 AM PST by circlecity
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To: xrmusn

After a career in HR, I will say that two part-timers instead of one full-timer is less efficient, and adds expenses for the company in many ways. It’s not just an equal replacement. For example, now there are twice as many employees, so there are space problems, logistics problems, like parking, all processing (like payroll) takes longer because there are twice a many to handle, and all the little issues related to employees are doubled. More hiring time. More turnover. Many other things like that. So being forced to run a company with more lower-hours employees has a negative impact on the productivity of the company. If the company is on the edge financially anyway, it might not survive such a change.


18 posted on 11/18/2012 5:07:30 AM PST by Old_Grouch (65 and AARP-free. Monthly FR contributor.)
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To: Old_Grouch

All true, but in certain industries - like the restaurant business - those factors have far less impact and you’ll certainly see a much greater proportion of part-time workers.


19 posted on 11/18/2012 5:15:23 AM PST by PhatHead
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To: Catsrus

> Obamacare is a disaster for this nation. My only hope is that those who voted for zero get hit first and realize the stupidity of their vote.

Is this being done on purpose, or did the DEMS, as usual, not look beyond their “good intentions” to see the consequences of this stupid a** bill?

I visit a website where a lot of liberals hangout. MANY of them ARE losing their jobs but they don’t want to admit their Messiah had a hand in any of it. The Emporer has no clothes on comes to mind...I totally understan the reason it was written now...


20 posted on 11/18/2012 5:21:24 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: jsanders2001

I think his plan is to force bankruptcy or losing down of most private business so he can nationalize it.


21 posted on 11/18/2012 5:22:51 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: xrmusn

Look at the bright side. The idiot in chief will get a whole lot less tax revenue to buy more toys and technology to enslave you with. Get some popcorn, sitt back and watch the implosion begin...: )


22 posted on 11/18/2012 5:26:05 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: xrmusn

Look at the bright side. The idiot in chief will get a whole lot less tax revenue to buy more toys and technology to enslave you with. Get some popcorn, sit back and watch the implosion begin...: )


23 posted on 11/18/2012 5:26:13 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: xrmusn

Fire the least productive - keep the most productive on for 29 hours a week. They won’t lose much production. If you are a 24 hours a day business, that means you have 168 hours to fill, that’s 6 employees. That means you could have yourself as the manager and 7 employees available at any one time.

That’s plenty.


24 posted on 11/18/2012 5:29:06 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: PhatHead

> All true, but in certain industries - like the restaurant business - those factors have far less impact and you’ll certainly see a much greater proportion of part-time workers.

You’ll also see a lot less people apply for part-time work unless there is no alternative because it’s impossible to take care of your family with part-time wages. Hell nowadays is almost impossible to take care of your family with 2 full-time jobs!


25 posted on 11/18/2012 5:30:14 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: PhatHead

> All true, but in certain industries - like the restaurant business - those factors have far less impact and you’ll certainly see a much greater proportion of part-time workers.

You’ll also see a lot less people apply for part-time work unless there is no alternative because it’s impossible to take care of your family with part-time wages. Hell nowadays its almost impossible to take care of your family with 2 full-time jobs!


26 posted on 11/18/2012 5:30:37 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Libloather

The more unemployed, the more power government acquires. One day, the sheep will be fed a steak dinner and think it’s just grand. The next day they will find that the steak came from the milk whose teat they were previously sucking at.....


27 posted on 11/18/2012 5:42:34 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: JCBreckenridge; Old_Grouch; jsanders2001; GeronL

I certainly hope everyone realizes #9 was pure, unadulterated sarcasm.

The ‘irony’ being that if my little ‘scenario’ were to be put in place, the MISadministration would claim unemployment went down....

Of course when the hours get cut back, the workers will have to ‘enjoy’ a cut in pay......


28 posted on 11/18/2012 6:14:11 AM PST by xrmusn (6/98 "Hope in one hand and $hiite in the other and see which fills up first".)
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To: Libloather; All
Folks, are we being hood-winked here?

Remember Besty McCaugley, Mark Levin, and Doc Janda etc on a screed about the HHS Secretary and her vast powers under this act of "the Secretary Shall"?

What is stopping her from changing this from 50 to 1 employee?

If so, aren't all the "enemies" of Obama making themselves known and will Valerie Jarrett then get her revenge like she has noted? Food for thought....

29 posted on 11/18/2012 7:21:24 AM PST by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: Stealth Ninja
I'd like to see corporations split into an umbrella group of endless LLCs made up of 49 employees. Make them separate entities if necessary, so as to lower their corporate tax rate, and pay none of the exorbitant fees of Husseincare.

Likewise, everyone making big money should form an LLC, become an employee of it. Have their employer pay the LLC. Same result. LESS money to the Hussein Islamo-mafia.

30 posted on 11/18/2012 7:21:28 AM PST by Stealth Ninja
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To: Stealth Ninja
I'd like to see corporations split into an umbrella group of endless LLCs made up of 49 employees. Make them separate entities if necessary, so as to lower their corporate tax rate, and pay none of the exorbitant fees of Husseincare.

Obamacare rules anicipate and prevent this by imposing liability on an affiliate group basis.
31 posted on 11/18/2012 7:40:29 AM PST by only1percent
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To: GeronL
"Soon they’ll dump this 50 employee thing and say all full-time workers. THAT is when everyone works 29 hours a week."

They are already changing the language from full time 'workers' to FTE - Full Time Equivalent.

Then by computing the number of hours worked all year by all employees, including overtime, they divide and if the number equals the gubmint's determination of 50 employees working regular hours they are in the game, like it or not.

32 posted on 11/18/2012 8:21:35 AM PST by Baynative
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To: xrmusn

You are bing selectively silly.

Some companies will have open hours only enough to work their people under the Obamacare minimum.

More Mom & Pop companies will find that Mom & Pop are there more & more, but they also have the right to pay themselves more and more for those hours. There always are hours in the normal 8 hour day which are asically non-productive. I may hire a person for 40 hours=8 x 5. But now, I will work that person only 28 hours—4 days x 7 hours or 5 days for 5 1/2 hours, which will be under the 30 hours cutoff. School buss drivers work a split shift—every day. Morning——Evening. You will be surprised how many locations will adopt a 28 hour or so week.

Welcome to The New Normal. Those who have a life style that needs at least 40 hours a week, will be working another job. More commuting- and that isn’t deductible.

The Young, failure to think beyond their noses voters, will get a serious and fast lesson in how elections have consequences.

I already know 6 businesses that will lay off workers and or shut the doors forever. One owner will work out of his home—it is a service business and he will have no clients come to his home—he will commute to them. He will survive—but even the part time workers he had will have a tougher time paying for their college classes. He was letting them work in the hours when they were not in class, and he was adjusting their work hours every semester, around their classes. No More—and possible NEVER AGAIN. He is old enough to drop the trappings of a big prestigious office location & the accompanying rent. He has a clientele he can cherry-pick and keep the ones who he has the best rapport with and do the work out of his home....alone or with a part time clerk. His own kids are grown, so he can turn a bedroom into a nice office. He is doing just that.

Another friend is moving his service business out of the building he owns & is renting that space to another person who pays him. He moved his service business into his garage—and never has a customer at his location. He does service calls at their locations. He is making about 15% less gross on the service business, but he is making more on the rent than the lost 15%. He is spending less on gas right out of his house, and can eat lunch at home when his service calls are not far away. All of this is saving him effort and $$$, and making him more income on the flip side.

ERGO: Those who have built their business from scratch know how to stay alive. They can cope with smaller space & fewer clients and fewer rules from the Federal government. Both of the above service entities have also lost every penny of cost of Workmen’s Comp- a serious cost in some states. They will not have to provide health insurance to any employee. No rent. No big power bill. More flexible hours...for themselves only.

For some businesses in the USA, all of this is a plus. The rest will wither & die trying to cope with Obama.


33 posted on 11/18/2012 8:28:21 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Libloather

Best business model may be the small family business. Children will have to accept the fact that if their parents own a small business, the children will have only one carrier choice, work for the business. For the most part, a small family business run by family members is resistant to turnover, unionization, and whistle blowing. Individual family members have more dirt on each other, but that works both ways. When families are faced with the external threat of totalitarian government, internal differences among family members become less important.


34 posted on 11/18/2012 8:37:20 AM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot)
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To: Vince Ferrer

This is what is fueling the explosion of project-based sites and crowd-sourcing sites. You don’t hire a part time tech writer but have two or three favorite tech writers on a site who work you and others. The contractors do no get health insurance.


35 posted on 11/18/2012 10:02:10 AM PST by tbw2
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To: ScottinVA
The new American dream consists of food stamps, welfare, free obama phones and shitty health care.
36 posted on 11/18/2012 10:26:50 AM PST by peeps36 (America is being destroyed by filthy traitors in the political establishment)
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To: Catsrus

It certainly doesn’t make sense. All of the democrats can’t be stupid. So why did ALL of them vote for this?


37 posted on 11/18/2012 10:09:23 PM PST by Terry Mross (I haven't watched the news since the election. Someone ping me if anything big happens.)
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To: Terry Mross
All of the democrats can’t be stupid.

It's hard to imagine, until you look at the leadership. Obama, Biden, Reid, Pelosi. How much worse could it be? And that's who they've CHOSEN to represent them.

The few who have a couple of brain cells, like Zero, Clinton and Clinton, are Marxists.

38 posted on 11/18/2012 10:14:46 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: All

What is the law for a self employed person with only himself as an employee? Such as a real estate agent. Does he automatically pay a fine?

Another question, if he pays a fine is he then insured?


39 posted on 11/18/2012 10:15:29 PM PST by Terry Mross (I haven't watched the news since the election. Someone ping me if anything big happens.)
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To: grumpygresh
I know a number of Asians who run this kind of family business. They are the ones whose daughter is waiting tables in a restaurant at age 30..and driving a Mercedes-Benz and wearing a Rolex.

Unfortunately, the typical American family is too misled by television role models to embrace the family business lifestyle required. Humility is a necessary component, and we aren't very good at that.

40 posted on 11/19/2012 5:59:26 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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