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After Democrats Gain Across the Country, Conservative Voters Wonder Where They Fit
New York Times ^ | November 18, 2012 | Jack Healy

Posted on 11/18/2012 3:46:44 PM PST by reaganaut1

CHEYENNE, Wyo. — By now, voters here are over the initial shock. The ranchers, businessmen and farmers across this deep-red state who knew, just knew that Americans would never re-elect a liberal tax-and-spender president have grudgingly accepted the reality that voters did just that.

But in the days since the election, a blanket of baffled worry has descended on conservatives here like early snow across the plains, deepening a sense that traditional, rural and overwhelmingly white states in the center of the country are losing touch with an increasingly diverse and urban American electorate.

“It’s a fundamental shift,” said Khale Lenhart, 27, a lawyer here. “It’s a mind-set change — that government is here to take care of me.”

As the share of white voters — and white men, specifically — shrank in this election, exit polls showed that turnout grew among black, Hispanic and Asian voters, who supported President Obama and more than compensated for his losses among whites. An analysis by the Pew Research Center found that minority voters made up 28 percent of the electorate, up from 26 percent in 2008, a proportion expected to grow.

“Welcome to the next America,” said Paul Taylor, executive vice president at Pew. “Whatever that vote looked like this year, four years from now it’ll be more so, and eight years from now it’ll be even more so.”

None of this assures election wins for Democrats. The tide of minority voters that helped elect Mr. Obama in 2008 ebbed just two years later in a welter of populist anger over deficits, job losses and Mr. Obama’s agenda, allowing Republicans to retake the House and make gains in the Senate in the midterm elections. And there is no guarantee that the next Democratic presidential candidate will match Mr. Obama’s huge margins

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To: reaganaut1

According to what they really think at the Times, they will fit nicely in a FEMA camp, gas chambers to follow. I think it that, now that the republic is dead, it may be time that we have to get them before they get us.


51 posted on 11/18/2012 5:03:23 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot)
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To: reaganaut1

There is like 600,000 people or so in Wyoming. This is dumb.


52 posted on 11/18/2012 5:03:31 PM PST by waterhill (I Shall Remain, in spite of __________.)
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To: wmfights; muawiyah

You’re assuming that those aborted babies would be democrats or liberals. You’re also assuming that the unaborted children of republicans will also grow up to be republicans.

Teenagers tend to rebel against the parents and their beliefs.

I’ve seen children of liberal families grow up to be conservatives and children of conservatives grow up to be liberals and in some occasions jailed for misconduct.

Political status is not part of DNA. I would say the NEA would have more to do about it than genes. It’s the NEA, not the DNA we have to worry about.


53 posted on 11/18/2012 5:05:31 PM PST by tsowellfan (Allen West for Speaker!)
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To: muawiyah
Well, the Democrats have another advantage-they don't have to have children themselves because they control the government indoctrination centers and the media and popular culture so all they need is access to your children, and in most cases they get it-people simply will not make the required sacrifices to educate their own children and block the left's access to indoctrinating them. They won't stand firm on being the filter for their children's access to popular "culture", they don't want to be the "mean" or "uncool" parent. There are ways to protect your children from the left's infection and have them respect you for doing so. For one, let them know that they are more important to you than the culture by not partaking in it yourself.
54 posted on 11/18/2012 5:06:44 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: mrsmel
TV is dying and from the same reason the public schools are dying ~ technological advance is making it possible for us to control our own entertainment and our children's educations.

This stuff is getting much better than you realize, and most of the best materials have already been produced by religious and culturally conservative folks.

55 posted on 11/18/2012 5:10:56 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: elkfersupper

So you are saying that only male property owners should get to vote on their futures?

Interesting theory.

I own quite a bit of property and a business. I am also a conservative. I am also a woman. And I know plenty of women in the same situation.

So I should have no voice? I guess no male property owners voted for O?

I am more in favor of voter id, literacy tests and maybe drug testing (/jk) to solve this dilemma.

Like I said, interesting theory.


56 posted on 11/18/2012 5:11:29 PM PST by berdie
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To: tsowellfan
As it turns out the growth of Conservative numbers is a reciprocal of the number of abortions over time.

We are winning, and being Conservative, to a degree, appears to be something controlled by our DNA.

The Leftwingtards murder their own children first ~

57 posted on 11/18/2012 5:13:18 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
As the Democrats begin to slide into biological oblivion they will strike out ~ with real hitmen.

Amnesty for everyone is part of the plan for replacing voters. Also, getting criminals the right to vote again. Eliminating the electoral college helps them as well. Vote fraud is easier when you only have to concentrate on big cities.

As far as real hitmen goes I think that the big push for homosexuals in he military is an effort to make sure that the military does not consider the Constitution paramount.

58 posted on 11/18/2012 5:20:18 PM PST by wmfights
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To: muawiyah
The Leftwingtards murder their own children first

1) Most conservatives are against the killing of unborn babies no matter what their color or creed may be.

2) 160% turnout for Obama two weeks ago in some places and 112 year olds registering to vote democrat tells me that those aborted babies will be voting anyways.

What say you?

59 posted on 11/18/2012 5:23:46 PM PST by tsowellfan (Allen West for Speaker!)
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To: tsowellfan; muawiyah
Political status is not part of DNA. I would say the NEA would have more to do about it than genes. It’s the NEA, not the DNA we have to worry about.

I think you make a good point, but in most cases those children begin to see the wisdom of their parents conservative values as they start families of their own. Church attendance goes up after a couple start a family.

I'm well aware of your point with children in college.

60 posted on 11/18/2012 5:27:36 PM PST by wmfights
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To: muawiyah

That’s all true, but it’s still only a tiny minority of parents and children who go that route. The vast majority still get thrown to the tender mercies of the government indoctrination centers and are babysat by unsupervised tv watching and “music” listening, with predictable results. I know too many couples with children, both parents working though one salary would suffice for the basics, because they refuse to live beneath a certain standard by sacrificing toys and having the latest widget, for one parent to stay home and be the primary force in shaping their children and the nation’s future.

Some have said to me that they will talk to their kid at dinner and “undo” the indoctrination. Really? 30 minutes-1hr of dinner talk will undo the app 8 hrs of indoctrination their children receive 5 days a week, 9 months a year? And that’s even before the children enter their teens when peer pressure is stronger than any other, including parental.


61 posted on 11/18/2012 5:30:55 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: EDINVA
The changing demographics have taken care of that, and intimidated any pol who might think along those lines.

It's not "changing demographics". It's vote fraud, plain and simple.

Don't buy what the media is selling.

It's pretty obvious that the Democrats cheated six ways from Sunday in Wisconsin. Scott Walker stomped Barrett in June; 5 months later Romney stomped Scott Walker's vote totals.

Strangely, Obama in turn stomped Romney's vote totals. Romney's totals were around Walker's totals, averaging 5-10% higher. Obama's totals averaged 40-50% higher than Barrett's in every county. GOTF.

62 posted on 11/18/2012 5:39:12 PM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Sherman Logan; AlmaKing
Crooked Politics: Obama Lost in Every State With Photo ID Law

Obama lost in every state with a photo ID law

63 posted on 11/18/2012 5:39:28 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the psychopath.)
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To: mrsmel

There are, of course, all sorts of people, but time and science can change everything ~ we’ve already reached the point where we need FEWER TEACHERS.


64 posted on 11/18/2012 5:42:19 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: reaganaut1

I don’t need the New York Times to chronicle the demise of conservatism.

The New York Times is the entity that is dying—not conservatism.

Look, folks, Obama won the election—maybe by demographics, maybe by fraud, maybe by a better GOTV, or perhaps a combination thereof....

The fact is, he didn’t win by the same margin he did in 2008...and no matter what, the bloom is off the lily.

He is the worst. We are experiencing Jimmy Carter’s third term...Obamugabe is highly unpopular.

Look at Rasmussen. He is using a D+6 sample for his poll now, to get an “election-like” result. Obama is still at a remarkably bad -6 or -7.

My point is: Obama may have won re-election but he isn’t frickin’ Superman.

I do understand the fear of an electorate willing to put this guy in—and that is indeed a problem.

I agree with those who are saying we really MUST increase our efforts to educate ALL Americans about our philosophy of freedom...as opposed to the cradle-to-grave nanny state.

Let’s not lose heart.


65 posted on 11/18/2012 5:42:54 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: Mortrey
It’s NOT a “shift”—it’s a SHAM: snip-”In 1982, the Republican National Committee (“RNC”) and the Democratic National Committee (“DNC”) entered into a consent decree (the “Decree” or “Consent Decree”), which is national in scope, limiting the RNC’s ability to engage or assist in voter fraud prevention unless the RNC obtains the court’s approval in advance.”

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2012/11/why-gop-wont-challenge-vote-fraud.html

A shocking and very sensible explanation of how Democrat voter fraud took the election. Except for this reply, why haven't you received any replies?

66 posted on 11/18/2012 5:43:05 PM PST by Does so (Dims don't think ... they PLOT!)
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To: kiryandil
That's a Wisconsin thing. They aren't very Conservative there ~ trying, but they haven't made it.

I'll believe it when they go Right To Work!

67 posted on 11/18/2012 5:44:04 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: tsowellfan
The Democrats aren't terribly creative, so the names will continue to come from the local graveyards. The people who murder their children don't give them names.

Eventually the Democrats will consist mostly of sociopaths ~ who think nothing of killing others. That's when we must be prepared to deal with them in other venues than politics.

68 posted on 11/18/2012 5:48:17 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Re: Photo ID...

Florida accepts a credit card as a voter ID.

http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/voter-id.aspx#fl

69 posted on 11/18/2012 6:06:04 PM PST by Does so (Dims don't think ... they PLOT!)
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Look at the electoral map, Healy. The Democrats gained nothing they didn’t force upon us by urban vote fraud.


70 posted on 11/18/2012 6:09:16 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

You want to address my actual post rather than posting links reiterating what you said earlier?

11 states have voter ID laws. 4 voted for Obama.


71 posted on 11/18/2012 6:27:23 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: reaganaut1

I fit in only one place.
“Galts Gultch”
Have Pre Prepared and settled in over 3 years ago. I saw this day coming because I can NOT trust any of you to do the right thing and that is to fight when necessary.
You would rather wimp out and accept defeat than do what is necessary for posterity.


72 posted on 11/18/2012 7:17:32 PM PST by No Fly Zone
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To: muawiyah

“In short, we are looking at the end of the Democrat party.”

Hm...I hope you are right, but when the majority of people in this country reelect a man like Obama, that means they are voting for Santa Claus, as Rush says. How do you overcome that type of immaturity and ignorance???


73 posted on 11/18/2012 7:31:24 PM PST by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: Sherman Logan

“By my count, the voter ID states, for the 2012 election, were Florida, Hawaii, Idaho, Louisiana, Michigan, South Dakota, Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, Tennessee, and New Hampshire.”

Connecticut also has voter ID (has had it for some time), and Obama won easily here.

It’s less about fraud than it is about changing voter demographics and preferences. A growing cohort of Euro-American voters (along with minority voters) shows little interest in voting for either conservatism or Republican candidates.

A prime example are the “ladyparts voters”, who broke for Obama to the tune of 68%. What conservative ideas are going to lure them to the fold?

There are no easy answers to the dilemma that conservatives and Republicans face in America.

The nation is now divided. The red states seem to be growing redder. Conversely, the blue states are growing bluer and more leftist.

For a comparable time in our nation’s history, think back to Reconstruction, when a radical group of politicians in Washington forcibly took control of the governments of the southern states, leaving the vanquished Southerners from having much say in their own governance.

Substitute conservatives in America today, in place of the ex-Rebels in the South in those old days. How to preserve their lives, their culture?

The only long-term solution I see might be for the red states to take preliminary steps towards the creation of an independent “coalition of states” to collectively resist the efforts to subjugate them by the federal government in Washington. Such steps must be trod carefully (doesn’t the Constitution proscribe compacts between the states?), but nevertheless, they MUST be taken, with an intent that if a national collapse comes, the red states can then assert their efforts together for the rebuilding. Kind of a “nation within a nation”, so to speak.

Call it the “invisible empi....” no, wait, scratch that.
How about “the invisible compact”?


74 posted on 11/18/2012 7:42:39 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: tsowellfan

Voter fraud won this.


75 posted on 11/18/2012 7:42:48 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: muawiyah

Yes, but only the kinds of parents who are invested in their child’s education already will be the ones to make use of these new routes. The children who have already fallen behind, with total parent UNinvolvement being one factor, won’t be the kinds of parents who seek these new methods, they don’t even bother to make use of the present ones, and I believe that these kinds of parents are the majority.These parents see school as a place to dump their kids for as many hours as they can manage, and their only involvement in their kid’s education is to come to the school to threaten and blame everyone except themselves and their kid for their kid’s failure, even when they’ve never even bothered to know if the kid has homework and has finished it, much less done it correctly and learned anything. They couldn’t help if they wanted to, because they themselves are sub-literate.

Anyway, for the few parents who understand that if their child is to get an education and not indoctrination, homeschooling is the way to go. I know there are excellent teachers out there who want to make a difference, but they are shackled by so many government regulations, class sizes, being forced to deal with unruly or deliquent students who make life hell for the teachers and other students, that’s it’s a miracle if any children learn AND escape the indoctrination.

Homeschooling solves all these problems at once, AND leaves the parents their God-given right to raise up their children in the way they should go. If that means Christian parents can teach their kids that homosexuality is against their Biblical beliefs, they can do that, without peer pressure or the homosexual agenda undermining their efforts.


76 posted on 11/18/2012 8:06:06 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Flavious_Maximus
The editors of the New York Times may be basking in the sun about the death of America but I wonder if they realize that those same third world American citizens do not read the newspaper (print or digital). The one good thing about America going down the toilet is that the New York Times is going down too.

Good point.

77 posted on 11/18/2012 8:07:59 PM PST by GOPJ (The economy is so bad MSNBC had to lay off 300 Obama spokesmen - Leno)
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To: mware

Democrats vote the people who don’t show up to vote. Voter ID will help but it’s only part of the answer.


78 posted on 11/18/2012 8:10:19 PM PST by GOPJ (The economy is so bad MSNBC had to lay off 300 Obama spokesmen - Leno)
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To: reaganaut1

” - - - - the election vindicated conservative politicians and commentators who talked about the 47 percent of Americans who pay no income tax, about makers and takers. - - - “

Yup.

BTW, since only half of the voter pool voted, the Obama voters who want their children and grandchildren to pick up the tab on the new National Debt are 52 % of those voting, and 52 % / 2 = 26 % of the voter age pool.

IOW, just over 1 out of 4 have chosen how the US Federal Government is going to smash and trash us for the next 4 years.


79 posted on 11/18/2012 8:21:48 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: reaganaut1

We fit in all of those offices stolen from us. LORD God help us to know where to go from here, please, in Jesus Holy Name.


80 posted on 11/18/2012 8:41:08 PM PST by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Obama did not win a single state with voter ID requirements.

Unless you count New Hampshire, Connecticut, Delaware, Virginia, Ohio, Michigan, Colorado, Washington and Florida.

81 posted on 11/18/2012 8:48:06 PM PST by ReignOfError
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To: DennisR
You just saw the last gasp of the Democrat party as we have known it for two centuries.

Without voters they are nothing.

82 posted on 11/19/2012 3:38:06 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: ReignOfError
I should have specified PHOTO id.

You can use a forged utility bill in the states you mentioned.

83 posted on 11/19/2012 6:21:25 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the psychopath.)
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To: reaganaut1

“By now, voters here are over the initial shock.”

Not me!


84 posted on 11/19/2012 7:01:21 AM PST by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: berdie
Like I said, interesting theory.

Not a theory.

Original intent. Read the Constitution and Federalist Papers. Yes, there were amendments, but where did they get us?

85 posted on 11/19/2012 1:13:19 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Road Glide

I get your point, but for fairly obvious reasons that’s not an example I would like to pattern our movement after.

For one thing, they lost in the long run.

For another, their resistance for most of a century was based on systematic and often murderous violation of other Americans’ civil rights.


86 posted on 11/19/2012 1:57:02 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: elkfersupper

“where did they get us?”

The two that immediately come to mind are presidential term limits and abolishing slavery. And as much as you and I probably disagree...giving women the privilege to vote.

I will agree with your line of thinking in one way. I was completely amazed and disgusted with the whole “get the woman vote”, “war on women” meme that was displayed more this election that in any I can remember. Birth control and Lilly Ledbetter (nothing to do with equal pay) seemed to rule the day. It was insanity. But I attribute that insanity to the liberal mind set that has invaded our “dumb-downed” society as much or more than gender. I fear for our country.

I actually gave some thought to only male landowners being able to vote. I can see some landmines in that as well. I see the what and why that original intent was. A new country protecting itself from interlopers. (I guess we still face that problem in reality.)

Don’t throw all women under the bus because of these dingbats. If the liberal trend continues...you may need us conservative women to survive. It’s our country, too.

(I have studied the Constitution and read the Federalist Papers. :) Being a political junkie and history buff I have read a lot of literature from that period and forward.)


87 posted on 11/19/2012 5:00:34 PM PST by berdie
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To: berdie
...you may need us conservative women to survive. It’s our country, too.

Okay.

You can load the rifles.

88 posted on 11/20/2012 3:18:55 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: elkfersupper

*chuckle*

Daarn! You won’t let a girl have any fun will ya? I can and will load the rifles. :) There is usually a need for different talents. A chair for every rear end, as it were.


89 posted on 11/20/2012 5:33:50 PM PST by berdie
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To: berdie
Daarn! You won’t let a girl have any fun will ya? I can and will load the rifles. :) There is usually a need for different talents. A chair for every rear end, as it were.

Hey, it's not my fault my thumbs are too fat to efficiently stuff the cartridges into the magazines.

90 posted on 11/21/2012 11:57:12 AM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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