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To: Hound of the Baskervilles
Since when does an employer have the obligation to provide anyone with health insurance? My company does not offer health insurance and I don’t feel one tiny bit oppressed or victimized.

Good for you.

When did we all start to believe that we have a right to insurance coverage provided by an employer? We don’t have such a right.

Employer provided health plans have been the norm for decades so that's the system we are dealing with. I never said employer provided health insurance was a right. In fact I believe I said in the post you responded to that if the employer doesn't provide health insurance he should at least pay his employees enough so they can purchase their own.

But I'm all for moving away from an employer/insurance model and for going directly to a single-payer system supported by tax revenues.

95 posted on 11/20/2012 3:11:35 PM PST by ksen
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To: ksen

“But I’m all for moving away from an employer/insurance model and for going directly to a single-payer system supported by tax revenues. “

I’m for breaking away from employer based pools as well but not so sure about single payer. I would pool people by zip code or something and pay for it by subscription, just like we do cable tv, gas, water, etc.

For now though, employer based is what we have and don’t think having comparable plans across employers for legal procedures is too much to ask. We are a secular nation, not Christian (anymore) and at some point will probably be muslim. A precedent of limiting coverage on religious grounds is dangerous ground to be on. If a business owner does not want to purchase something, that is fine, but if a business is incorporated and seen by the gov as a separate person, and if the gov is saying that incorporated person needs to offer x coverage, then so be it. It is the law and if it is not liked, go to congress to have it changed.


102 posted on 11/20/2012 3:29:17 PM PST by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: ksen

I realize employer provided health insurance has been the norm. But that in no way means that employers have a moral or social obligation to provide health insurance. They don’t. Traditionally, companies offered insurance and other benefits, such as paid vacations, to recruit and attract people to work for them,to be able to compete for the best qualified people and to inspire employee loyalty and a work ethic beneficial to the company.

Further, I don’t believe any employer has the obligation to pay employees enough money to pay for their own health insurance. Just as a company charges what the market will bear for their product, a company can only pay an employee what his service is worth in the market.


139 posted on 11/20/2012 4:35:06 PM PST by Hound of the Baskervilles ("Nonsense in the intellect draws evil after it." C.S. Lewis)
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To: ksen

“if the employer doesn’t provide health insurance he should at least pay his employees enough so they can purchase their own”

He will, or he won’t have employees, or at least not not valuable employees. That’s how the labor market works. Unless it’s a crap job, in which case traditionally young and healthy people work them.

“I’m all for moving away from an employer/insurance model and for going directly to a single-payer system supported by tax revenues”

Why, on earth? That’s like curing a headache by hitting yourself in the head with a sledgehammer.


143 posted on 11/20/2012 4:49:28 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: ksen
But I'm all for moving away from an employer/insurance model and for going directly to a single-payer system supported by tax revenues.

YOU are a leftist!

170 posted on 11/20/2012 8:24:45 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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