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Twinkies bakers say they'd rather lose jobs than take pay cuts
reuters ^ | 11/22/2012 | By Carey Gillam and Martinne Geller

Posted on 11/22/2012 4:15:23 AM PST by tobyhill

After several years of costly concessions, the Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco and Grain Millers Union (BCTGM) authorized a walk-out earlier this month after Hostess received bankruptcy court approval to implement a wage cut that was not included in its contract.

With operations stalled, the company that makes Twinkies and other famous U.S. brands said last week that liquidating its business was the best way to preserve its dwindling cash. It won court approval on Wednesday to start winding down in a process expected to claim 15,000 jobs immediately and over 3,000 more after about four months.

Interviews with more than a dozen workers showed there was little sign of regret from employees who voted for the strike. They said they would rather lose their jobs than put up with lower wages and poorer benefits.

"They're just taking from us," said Kenneth Johnson, 46, of Missouri. He said he earned roughly $35,000 with overtime last year, down from about $45,000 five years ago.

"I really can't afford to not be working, but this is not worth it. I'd rather go work somewhere else or draw unemployment," said Johnson, a worker at Hostess for 23 years.

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To: tobyhill

Now, the workers can buy the company and display those brilliant management skills that they think they have.


51 posted on 11/22/2012 5:17:21 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: rabidralph

It is according to if obama is through with them or not. History has shown that he has no problems of getting rid of those he uses after their usefulness to him is finished.


52 posted on 11/22/2012 5:18:14 AM PST by sport
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To: tobyhill

“They’re just taking from us,” said Kenneth Johnson, 46,.....And me, as a faithful union thug, didn’t TAKE anything from the company (except a paycheck worth more than my labor, a pension, insurance, worker’s comp, unemployment and vacation, personal days, and sick days.)Why should I slave? Oh.. wait..How’m I gonna pay my beer, rent and Cadillac off?


53 posted on 11/22/2012 5:20:45 AM PST by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: Rome2000

who at least makes Twinkies.....Once upon a time.


54 posted on 11/22/2012 5:24:26 AM PST by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: tobyhill

Try $1500/mo COBRA for family of 3. We could not purchase short term due to my husband taking a cholesterol pill and the fact I am scanned once a year to monitor a benign tumor that will never become cancerous. I don’t take one pill. I am thankful we saved for a rainy day.


55 posted on 11/22/2012 5:30:35 AM PST by nurees (Oh...there is a NEW Mexico (Homer Simpson))
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To: Sacajaweau
"Six CEOs in 10 years have failed to turn the company around."

In my line of work that's known as a "clue." You have a product line that fewer and fewer people want. You exist in a body conscious society obsessed with health and fitness. You sell a product perceived by that society's leadership and its Wookie First Spouse, as the root cause of high blood pressure, diabetes, and obesity, and no better than a carton of cigarettes. Your days were numbered the minute they went after the tobacco companies.
56 posted on 11/22/2012 5:35:22 AM PST by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: Drango
Are they retarded?
No, now they get unemployment, food stamps, and all other benefits. Result...good living and they don't have to work, I love seeing my tax dollars benefit the lazy takers.
57 posted on 11/22/2012 5:36:34 AM PST by ThePatriotsFlag
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To: napscoordinator

Part of me feels bad for the guy; another part wants to kick him in the a$$. He and his ilk chose to take down the company, putting a lot of other people out of work who likely didn’t feel the same way he did.

A more rational outcome would be to take the deal and keep working at Hostess until you find another, better job. The mere fact that he didn’t do that long ago speaks volumes about his prospects and/or judgement.

This guy doesn’t have a plan—all he has are hard feelings. That’s not exactly a recipe for success.


58 posted on 11/22/2012 5:41:03 AM PST by rbg81
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To: tobyhill
Since Obama was elected I have had to cut my salary to keep my business afloat. Each year the higher taxes and insurance increases eat away at my personal income. I make less now than I did in 1983 and have to work harder for it. Unions don't care if a business is sinking or doing well, they just take.
59 posted on 11/22/2012 5:41:36 AM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: tobyhill
Pay cuts? Wait until they see what happens to withholding for federal taxes after the new year starts. Take home pay across America will drop massively. So bad people may not be able to pay. The population will demand someone's skin for not halting the spending when they could have done so.

"Stand-by. Film at 11", as they say.

60 posted on 11/22/2012 5:47:18 AM PST by Rapscallion ( OBAMA: You own it now. See if you can govern it.)
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To: PowderMonkey
Absolutely...The company has been in trouble for a long time.

The guy who prefers unemployment....Bet he has a wife with a good job....or living with mommy and daddy...or a girlfriend....or whatever.

61 posted on 11/22/2012 5:52:42 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Fzob

“Ratify the contract, then go find a job with better pay and benefits while still working. Oops too late for that.”

Too late? That’s for sure, but it was a novel idea while it lasted. I don’t think the unions and this regime are interested in the “concept” of individual freedom anymore. That’s yesterday’s news. You don’t do as they say and you are forced out of business and maybe out of life. They’ve got the act of intimidation and coercion down so well that “the people” see it as thoughtfulness and goodwill.


62 posted on 11/22/2012 5:58:59 AM PST by babyfreep
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To: tobyhill

Overall, these “bakers” are quite silly and ignorant. The *system* has taught them to want more pay for less work and numerous *perks* from the government. When the system collapses...will they be surprised?


63 posted on 11/22/2012 6:00:49 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: tobyhill

Out of the 18,000 workers who will lose their jobs, I wonder if Reuters thought about interviewing a dozen who hate losing their jobs and would have voted for the new contract. It’s all in the presentation.


64 posted on 11/22/2012 6:05:28 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: tobyhill

Boycott Union made.


65 posted on 11/22/2012 6:05:28 AM PST by gotribe
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To: tobyhill
Unlike some non-unionized rivals, the maker of Wonder Bread and Drake's cakes had to navigate more than 300 labor contracts, with terms that often strained efficiency and competitiveness, Hostess officials have said. In some extreme cases, contract provisions required different products to be delivered on different trucks even when headed to the same place.

Let's see 18500 employees, 300 labor contracts to manage. That's insane. The overhead to manage that alone would force many companies out of business. The HR function must of been a revolving door.

66 posted on 11/22/2012 6:11:56 AM PST by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: Drango
"Your weekly benefit amount (WBA) is 4 percent of the average of your two highest quarters in the base period (highest quarter and second highest quarter quarter /2 x 0.04 = WBA). Missouri′s maximum WBA is $320."

...or $16,640/year.

By my top-of-my-head calculation, Teamsters Twinkie Truck drivers were making about $130K, but even at $35k, it sounds like he'd need to cut back a little on his beer budget. I wouldn't say that these people are exactly "retarded" -- but when did public schools stop teaching about arithmetic???


67 posted on 11/22/2012 6:13:24 AM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Right. It’s down to a little over 15 months down from a little over 23 months.

To get another job without qualifying for welfare and food stamps it will take over a year for most in this economy.

Take that welfare subsidized job you’ll most likely be there more than a year.

In the end you’ll probably save the tax payers the most money by waiting for a decent job.


68 posted on 11/22/2012 6:17:02 AM PST by Morris70
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To: Drango

Are Union thugs retarded?

That is a redundant question.

I think it is required.


69 posted on 11/22/2012 6:18:41 AM PST by Wildbill22
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To: gotribe

Don’t forget who was an equity owner in Hostess..........
Mr. Richard (Dick) Gebhardt. This was a planned win/win for both sides. Typical strategy, appear to be at odds to gain the trust of the unwashed sheep, then fleece em.Our beloved government does it each and every day. We have the appearance of duality but all those bastards are in the cloak rooms in solidarity, laughing their asses off at us and how we stupidly fall for it time and again. I’ll never hold my nose again and vote for another moderate like McCain, Crist, Romney. I won’t be fooled again. Not voting make take it over the cliff but it looks like we are going that way anyway so at least I can keep my self respect.


70 posted on 11/22/2012 6:18:58 AM PST by Cats Pajamas (Send your dollar to see the birth certificate)
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To: Salamander
That is the single most stupid thing anyone has ever said.

Close. I'll grant you that.

But this utterance (and I've heard it!) takes the cake:

"I voted for Obama. Twice!"

71 posted on 11/22/2012 6:19:46 AM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: tobyhill

Absolutely Brilliant!


72 posted on 11/22/2012 6:22:50 AM PST by kempster
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To: napscoordinator

“He said he earned roughly $35,000 with overtime last year, down from about $45,000 five years ago.”

Who was president 5 years ago? Who is responsible for the
hardships at Hostess? Unions wanted Obama and now they are
too ckicken$h1T to admit who’s really responsible for this
disaster. Sorry to say but the unions have to go.


73 posted on 11/22/2012 6:24:23 AM PST by Slambat (The right to keep and bear arms. Anything one man can carry, drive or pull.)
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To: napscoordinator

“He said he earned roughly $35,000 with overtime last year, down from about $45,000 five years ago.”

Who was president 5 years ago? Who is responsible for the
hardships at Hostess? Unions wanted Obama and now they are
too ckicken$h1T to admit who’s really responsible for this
disaster. Sorry to say but the unions have to go.


74 posted on 11/22/2012 6:24:35 AM PST by Slambat (The right to keep and bear arms. Anything one man can carry, drive or pull.)
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To: tobyhill

This company probably had many other operational concerns/problems but the following is a tough one.

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With 18,500 workers, Hostess has 12 different unions including the BCTGM, which has about 5,600 members on the bread and snack item production lines, and the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, which represents about 7,500 route sales representatives, drivers and other employees.

Unlike some non-unionized rivals, the maker of Wonder Bread and Drake’s cakes had to navigate more than 300 labor contracts, with terms that often strained efficiency and competitiveness, Hostess officials have said. In some extreme cases, contract provisions required different products to be delivered on different trucks even when headed to the same place.

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75 posted on 11/22/2012 6:25:43 AM PST by deport
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To: tobyhill

I wonder how many of the dozen workers interviewed were union paid Judas goats leading the union member sheep to slaughter. They put a smiley face on unemployment to hide the disaster the union has led its people into. I believe this is similar to Eastern Airline where the union destroyed a company as a warning to other airlines and the employees be damned.


76 posted on 11/22/2012 6:25:51 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Big Bird is a brood parasite: laid in our nest 43 years ago and we are still feeding him.)
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To: Salamander

Since unions wish to share in operational decisions, there should be a law mandating they share in the fudiciary losses such that no union employee be qualified for unemployment when they force the company into bankruptcy or liquidation.


77 posted on 11/22/2012 6:30:22 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: PowderMonkey
"Six CEOs in 10 years have failed to turn the company around."

In my line of work that's known as a "clue." You have a product line that fewer and fewer people want. You exist in a body conscious society obsessed with health and fitness. You sell a product perceived by that society's leadership and its Wookie First Spouse, as the root cause of high blood pressure, diabetes, and obesity, and no better than a carton of cigarettes. Your days were numbered the minute they went after the tobacco companies.

The Winner! The alternative to allowing companies to go out of business is to prop them up at the taxpayers expense, which makes everyone poorer.

Over time, everyone is poor except for a few political elite who live off of everyone else.

78 posted on 11/22/2012 6:31:05 AM PST by marktwain
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To: tobyhill

That’s disgusting at face value. In my life, I would take a pay cut and economize as opposed to seeing fellow employees laid off, and I would have the resources to take it too; it’s pretty sad when plenty of people in unions, much less general workers, can’t bother with making such sacrifices as I would be willing to make.


79 posted on 11/22/2012 6:32:20 AM PST by Morpheus2009
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To: tobyhill

Property and Plunder

Man can live and satisfy his wants only by ceaseless labor; by the ceaseless application of his faculties to natural resources. This process is the origin of property.

But it is also true that a man may live and satisfy his wants by seizing and consuming the products of the labor of others. This process is the origin of plunder.

Now since man is naturally inclined to avoid pain — and since labor is pain in itself — it follows that men will resort to plunder whenever plunder is easier than work. History shows this quite clearly. And under these conditions, neither religion nor morality can stop it.

When, then, does plunder stop? It stops when it becomes more painful and more dangerous than labor.

It is evident, then, that the proper purpose of law is to use the power of its collective force to stop this fatal tendency to plunder instead of to work. All the measures of the law should protect property and punish plunder.

But, generally, the law is made by one man or one class of men. And since law cannot operate without the sanction and support of a dominating force, this force must be entrusted to those who make the laws.

This fact, combined with the fatal tendency that exists in the heart of man to satisfy his wants with the least possible effort, explains the almost universal perversion of the law. Thus it is easy to understand how law, instead of checking injustice, becomes the invincible weapon of injustice. It is easy to understand why the law is used by the legislator to destroy in varying degrees among the rest of the people, their personal independence by slavery, their liberty by oppression, and their property by plunder. This is done for the benefit of the person who makes the law, and in proportion to the power that he holds.

The Law - Bastiat

More...

“But when the law, by means of its necessary agent, force, imposes upon men a regulation of labor, a method or a subject of education, a religious faith or creed — then the law is no longer negative; it acts positively upon people. It substitutes the will of the legislator for their own wills; the initiative of the legislator for their own initiatives. When this happens, the people no longer need to discuss, to compare, to plan ahead; the law does all this for them. Intelligence becomes a useless prop for the people; they cease to be men; they lose their personality, their liberty, their property.”

http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html#SECTION_G025


80 posted on 11/22/2012 6:34:07 AM PST by PGalt
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To: Sacajaweau

Disgusting given that when life started for me as a recent entry to the postal service, my wife as an accountant makes more than I do, but she demands, thankfully, and expects thankfully, that I work really hard to contribute. Frankly, a good man should seek a good wife like that who expects him to work hard more than earn plenty of money.


81 posted on 11/22/2012 6:34:56 AM PST by Morpheus2009
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To: tobyhill
Also keep in mind that they will have to pay for Cobra at $300-$400 a month instead of the $100 a month they were offered

The Brave Pioneers of the Healthcare Exchange... Has an Orwellian ring to it.

82 posted on 11/22/2012 6:38:37 AM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: tobyhill
http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/11/branco-cartoon-stuffed-turkey/


83 posted on 11/22/2012 6:39:01 AM PST by newfreep (Breitbart sent me...)
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To: tobyhill
He said he earned roughly $35,000 with overtime last year

That's more than my paycheck and it's way more than unskilled labor should be making. Whatever happened with the true meaning of minimum wage? Minimum skills should only get you minimum wages. Watching to make sure the Twinkies package is properly sealed doesn't require that many brain cells. Fine, fire him and hire someone who wants to work.

84 posted on 11/22/2012 6:39:11 AM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: tobyhill

Liquidate. It is a good thing, and will shed the blood sucking unions from a quality that will survive.

Dismantle, and sell the assets, which are assets because of the quality of the product. And that will live on. The intellectual property, recipes , the legal rights are all protected property of the owners, and a new company will buy and transfer that property away from the unions, and produce Twinkies and the other successful products again, as good as ever and probably at less expense to the consumer.

Count on it, and thank God.


85 posted on 11/22/2012 6:51:02 AM PST by Wildbill22
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To: autumnraine

What are those liquidation bonuses??? I haven’t seen the number.


86 posted on 11/22/2012 6:51:44 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: tobyhill

not such a bad gig if you can get it...

http://www.stripersonline.com/t/869189/60k-per-household-per-year-of-welfare-benefits-going-to-to-those-one-welfare


87 posted on 11/22/2012 6:53:36 AM PST by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: tobyhill

Twinkies were out and out junk and crap. They tasted so artificial. But I liked the Hostess Snowballs when I was little. Chocolate cake in a stretchy marshmallow coconut wrapper.

Looks like the Hostess workers are looking forward to and like the idea of getting two or more years of Obama style extended unemployment benefits. So the taxpayers will be supporting these leeches


88 posted on 11/22/2012 6:56:41 AM PST by dennisw ( The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: tobyhill

Is there any pension for these guys or is that all gone too.


89 posted on 11/22/2012 6:56:48 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: napscoordinator
More interesting would be knowing what his position was, and how come he is only making $35,000 a year after 23 years on the job. My first real job about 25 years ago paid $36k and I was inexperienced and unskilled at the time. O also worked construction in the early 90’s at over $13/hour.

Maybe it sounds cruel, but people can earn what they're worth if they put some effort into it. Unions tend to kill that progress in people.

90 posted on 11/22/2012 6:58:03 AM PST by Woodman
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To: Sacajaweau

“The dude said he’d rather draw unemployment than work for more money ?????”

Welcome to Obama’s America. The Bible says there are no tears in Heaven. Still... What must our Christian forefathers be thinking to see what their country has become?


91 posted on 11/22/2012 6:58:25 AM PST by MayflowerMadam
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To: tobyhill

Bold statements now, let’s hear from them again in a year.


92 posted on 11/22/2012 7:02:11 AM PST by NonValueAdded ("Our president ... makes big speeches packed full of little ideas" Charles C. W. Cooke)
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To: Slambat

Unions wanted Obama and now they are
too ckicken$h1T to admit who’s really responsible for this
disaster. Sorry to say but the unions have to go.

I think Unions were good when they started but they went down hill from about 1970 til today. I think they know who is to blame deep down.


93 posted on 11/22/2012 7:02:48 AM PST by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: tobyhill; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; ...

Proof that Democrats would rather have welfare and food stamps than jobs.


94 posted on 11/22/2012 7:04:15 AM PST by sickoflibs (How long before cry-Bohner caves to O again? They took the House for what?)
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To: tobyhill

They made their wish come true.

A gang of Teamsters should hang around the last work day and take these idiots for a ride.


95 posted on 11/22/2012 7:06:22 AM PST by Iron Munro (Michelle and Barack: Robbing From The Hood and Boy Blunder)
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To: Sacajaweau

Here’s the other thing. To keep thier health care it will have to be COBRA and you have to pay a pretty good lick to keep it in force.
These people are not thinking things through at all.


96 posted on 11/22/2012 7:11:18 AM PST by Captain Peter Blood
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To: tobyhill

“It sure beats having to work for a living.” - Old union motto


97 posted on 11/22/2012 7:12:32 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Amnesty - Obama's bailout of Mexico. Barry sticks it to America again!)
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To: sickoflibs

sad but true..my daughter is one of them..she moved home to live off my retirement.


98 posted on 11/22/2012 7:13:20 AM PST by dalebert
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To: tobyhill
Twinkies bakers say they'd rather lose jobs than take pay cuts

Wish granted!

99 posted on 11/22/2012 7:22:10 AM PST by Bushbacker1 (I miss President Bush! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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To: Salamander

Yea, really. It should be zero weeks because those idiots quit when given an ultimatum.


100 posted on 11/22/2012 7:22:42 AM PST by mazda77
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