[Founding Father]

A classic economic lesson, which needs repeating every Thanksgiving.

[bigheadfred]

Yeah, baby. I dinna care how many rockets ya all fire at me. I WILL ALWAYS BE WRONG.

[unixfox]

There are three configurations of property rights: state, communal, and private property.

Not much like that anymore when ANY government entity can lay claim to it for whatever reason.

[LearsFool]

There’s an argument to be made here for private property, certainly. But let’s be careful lest we advocate for Marxist “individual ownership of the means of production”. The Pilgrims signed on to work for a company, after all.

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[Jack Hydrazine]

Here are some videos that tell the same basic story. Forward them to all of your Lefty family, friends, and acquaintances. Once they know this they’ll try and get rid of T-day as fast as possible.

John Stossel: Socialism Almost Ruined Thanksgiving
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbjpzh087uU

Thanksgiving: Overcoming Socialism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igdCrePWTF4

Rush Limbaugh: The True Story of Thanksgiving (2010)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yfW5SgvFPY

[muawiyah]

Bradford's musings in later years ~ instructive, but unless read carefully the reader might find himself evading the real situation on the ground ~ in the first few months they were all pretty much shellshocked from the death rate!

The Indian threat was also near at hand and they actually buried the dead secretly at night in unmarked graves so the Indians would not know how weakened they had become.

Even the names on the Mayflower compact are something Bradford wrote down years later ~ and I think one of those names is in error ~ but half the modern membership of the Mayflower Society owe their qualification to his supposed daughter who stayed back in Leyden.

Which, of course, is neither here nor there. These people all had gigantic brass cojones! Literally the largest ones in the world ~ just a few years previously the Indians a couple of hundred miles to the West had engaged in a huge war with upwards of ten thousand combatants.

With many members of their tribal warrior elites coming in at 7 feet tall, and every one of them built like professional body builders, the Pilgrims knew a few firearms weren't likely to secure their place on the continent ~ they needed some friends, and informants.

In the end the New England plan of development was reduced to the simple formula of carving out new towns adjacent to old towns ~ no pitiful helpless isolated settlers stuck off in the woods for them. They extended a well-armed and vigilent society of villages into the wilderness and conquered it all.

Things were different in New York and Pennsylvania ~ so development patterns were different.

[Jack Hydrazine]

One FReeper (I don’t remember who) last year mentioned that the Pilgrims were influenced to establish Plymouth colony as a collective farming enterprise by the Hussites and other European groups. This is the Wiki on them which isn’t much.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hussite

Does anyone here have any links to articles about more detailed info on those influenced Pilgrim thinking?

[sickoflibs]

RE :” How Private Property Saved the Pilgrims”

The (American) Indians didn't get out to vote to elect the leader who took the land from owners but gave out free abortions?

[passionfruit]

Thank you for posting this. I have told this story many times, and lefty s always assume I made it up.

[QBFimi]

So nice to see that both the media and the unwashed masses celebrate (the appropriately named) Black Friday and its preparatory family pig-out rather than Thanksgiving.

[GeronL]

But the investors refused to allow these loopholes, undoubtedly worried that if the Pilgrims—three thousand miles away and beyond the reach of supervision—owned their own houses and plots, the investors would find it difficult to collect their due. How could they be sure that the faraway colonists would spend their days working for the company if they were allowed to become private owners? With such an arrangement, rational colonists would work little on “company time,” reserving their best efforts for their own gardens and houses. Such private wealth would be exempt when the shareholders were paid off. Only by insisting that all accumulated wealth was to be “common wealth,” or placed in a common pool, could the investors feel reassured that the colonists would be working to benefit everyone, including themselves

Of course we know better now. For one, they could have forced every colonist to be a shareholder.

[kindred]

History repeats itself over and over and over again and the people who support this new age socialism have but to look to the past to see the devastating effects and conseqquent hunger and violence and death cause by those snare therein.
Is it not pthat God in Christ Jesus , having led the twelve tribes into Israel and defeating their enemies before them, gave each tribe and famild therein a piece of land to own and to nuture. It appears that the God of Israel started capitalism by private property ownership which led to the Lord’s work of building Israel into a strong nation seperate from the dictatorship of neighboring kings and nations. Lord Jesus, I thank you for creating private property ownership to inspire your people to work hard for their families and thereby increase bountiful provision from the land they tilled and lived off.

[William Bradford died in 1657, having been reelected governor nearly every year. Among his books, according to the inventory of his estate, was Jean Bodin’s Six Books of a Commonweale, a work that criticized the utopianism of Plato’s Republic. In Plato’s ideal realm, private property would be abolished or curtailed and most inhabitants reduced to slavery, supervised by high-minded, ascetic guardians. Bodin said that communal property was “the mother of contention and discord” and that a commonwealth based on it would perish because “nothing can be public where nothing is private.”

Bradford felt that, in retrospect, his real-life experience of building a new society at Plymouth had confirmed Bodin’s judgment. Property in Plymouth was further privatized in the years ahead. The housing and later the cattle were assigned to separate families, and provision was made for the inheritance of wealth. The colony flourished. Plymouth Colony was absorbed into the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, and in the prosperous years that lay ahead, nothing more was heard of “the common course and condition.”]

[darrellmaurina]

Bookmark for later reference. PING to the Great Reformed Ping List (the Pilgrims were Calvinists, after all), and also pinging some others who may be interested.

[Pajamajan]

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