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Another Shooting May Test Florida Law(Jordan, Dunn)
nytimes.com ^ | 28 November, 2012 | LIZETTE ALVAREZ

Posted on 11/29/2012 12:52:02 AM PST by marktwain

MIAMI — In what could become another test of Florida’s broad self-defense law, a software developer charged with killing a Jacksonville teenager said he reached for his gun and fired eight rounds only after he was threatened with a shotgun.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: banglist; dunn; fl; jordan; jordandavis; michaeldunn
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To: PapaBear3625

They were coming from a wedding reception and buying a bottle of wine at the quick stop, then shot up a car and fled the scene, went to their hotel room where the TV news would be available to them, and then the next morning fled the jurisdiction.

From the article: “”He did not call the authorities; the police arrested him the following day, finding him because a witness noted his license plate number.””

There are some serious questions about this guy.


51 posted on 11/29/2012 1:54:25 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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To: marktwain

I would think that if he handled a shotgun, holding its barrel with his hand, then there should be oil or metallic particles from the barrel still on his hands. It’s a long shot but it’s all Dunn has at this point.


52 posted on 11/29/2012 1:57:13 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: ansel12

ansel12 posted:

Your drama queen breathlessness is creepy.

You keep trying to turn what is so far, a normal, plain, routinely reported crime story into something bigger, more melodramatic, and as part of some larger tale of something.

Yesterday you were telling us how you survived an attempted robbery, with that same drama queen tone, “This time they chose poorly. I survived it.” but you never got past simply saying that a black man had addressed you from his car, while at the mall parking lot.

marktwain replies:

You have me confused with another poster.


53 posted on 11/29/2012 3:09:29 PM PST by marktwain
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To: ansel12; All

ansel12 posted:

Your drama queen breathlessness is creepy.

You keep trying to turn what is so far, a normal, plain, routinely reported crime story into something bigger, more melodramatic, and as part of some larger tale of something.

Yesterday you were telling us how you survived an attempted robbery, with that same drama queen tone, “This time they chose poorly. I survived it.” but you never got past simply saying that a black man had addressed you from his car, while at the mall parking lot.

marktwain replies:

You have me confused with another poster.


54 posted on 11/29/2012 3:09:55 PM PST by marktwain
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To: Uncle Chip; All
I would think that if he handled a shotgun, holding its barrel with his hand, then there should be oil or metallic particles from the barrel still on his hands. It’s a long shot but it’s all Dunn has at this point.

It is very possible that Jordan's associates stories will conflict with each other. If Dunn is telling the truth, one of them may be turned.

55 posted on 11/29/2012 3:13:32 PM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain
MY MISTAKE

I did confuse you with someone else about that weird "attempted robbery" story.

The similar styles and tone threw me. Sorry about that.

But this is still true.

Your keep trying to turn what is so far, a normal, plain, routinely reported crime story into something bigger, more melodramatic, and as part of some larger tale of something.

Were you one of the ones defending the Oklahoma Pharmacist who was convicted of 1st degree murder and is serving life?

56 posted on 11/29/2012 3:19:12 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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To: marktwain
If the teenagers really had a shotgun, why didn't they shoot back? They too could have claimed self defense. Instead, they retreated.

BTW, this is nothing like the Zimmerman case.

57 posted on 11/29/2012 3:29:25 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: marktwain
It is very possible that Jordan's associates stories will conflict with each other.

Not likely to happen.

If they had a gun in the vehicle that night when Dunn opened up on them they would have and should have used it.

They had every right to that same self-defense that Dunn claims he had.

But they retreated. They withdrew. They chose wisely.

And as they were retreating he kept firing.

58 posted on 11/29/2012 4:44:57 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: ansel12; All
ansel12 posted: Your keep trying to turn what is so far, a normal, plain, routinely reported crime story into something bigger, more melodramatic, and as part of some larger tale of something.

marktwain replies:

Tell me about all the other "normal, plain, routinely reported crime stories" that are reported in the New York Times, that are reported all over the net, and which are reflexively tied to another story that was a cause celebre for months. Your statement is simply wrong on its face.

I see lots of "normal, plain, routinely reported crime stories" I have posted thousands of them on freerepublic. This is not one of them.

59 posted on 11/29/2012 6:15:23 PM PST by marktwain
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To: ansel12; All

I do not recall all of my posts on that case, but I likely followed my usual procedure to state that there are two sides to the issue and that more information would be better before drawing a conclusion.

Now that I have answered your accusatory question, let me ask you one. Were you one of those posters who was convinced that Zimmerman was guilty of murdering Trayvon Martin?


60 posted on 11/29/2012 6:29:57 PM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

So far this story is completely normal, but you sure aren’t, with your drama and long speculative narratives.

This case has nothing to do with Zimmerman, as I posted on the other thread, titled, “Argument over loud music led to teen’s fatal shooting, cops say(Trayvon Martin redux?)”

To: Arthurio
Not everything is a “Trayvon Martin”, where the guy is leaped on and is on the ground fighting for his life, and is already bloody and battered as he desperately squeezes off a shot that saves his life.

It isn’t fair to Zimmerman and to extreme self-defense cases, to keep using this “Trayvon” thing so casually and as a catch phrase.
4 posted on Tue Nov 27 2012 22:33:00 GMT-0800 (Pacific Standard Time) by ansel12


61 posted on 11/29/2012 6:52:13 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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To: ansel12; All

I notice that you did not have the courtesy to answer my question.

I have much to do, and will be absent from the forum for several hours.


62 posted on 11/29/2012 7:14:16 PM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

If your question was about Zimmerman then I did answer it.

Unlike you, I don’t convict anyone, or exonerate anyone except based on good information, Zimmerman never has appeared to be guilty, and it was quickly reasonable to assume that unless something new was revealed, that things probably happened as he has said, although we are still guessing of course, the Pharmacist case was easy, he was guilt as all get out, this case, we don’t know about, but the shooter is clearly a bubble off, and it isn’t looking good for him, even if the shooting is discovered to be justified, he has really, really, done some incredibly stupid and troubling things, things that need to result in jail time.

You keep weaving tales and possibilities, and creating drama and almost a conspiratorial tone, rather than just looking at the story as it goes.

You seem to have already chosen a good guy and a villain in this case, which you seemed to do in the Pharmacy case, where you were mistaken.


63 posted on 11/29/2012 7:32:50 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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To: marktwain

I have one question on this story. If the music was so loud how did he hear them say anything? This seems to be a odd thing in the story to me.


64 posted on 12/05/2012 12:52:36 PM PST by CONSERVE
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To: CONSERVE
I have one question on this story. If the music was so loud how did he hear them say anything? This seems to be a odd thing in the story to me.

We have two different versions of events. There will be at least four statements and more, because there was at least one witness.

I do not think I know enough to discuss it anymore, considering that there are multiple possibilities.

65 posted on 12/05/2012 5:34:28 PM PST by marktwain
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To: Amberdawn; All

More information about Jordan Davis’ associates:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2966062/posts

One was convicted of burglary in 2011.


66 posted on 12/05/2012 6:43:42 PM PST by marktwain
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