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When You’re Falsely Accused of a Gun Crime – 12 Things You Need to Know
ammoland.com ^ | 28 November, 2012 | Michelle Gesse

Posted on 11/29/2012 7:30:02 AM PST by marktwain

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To: t1b8zs

You got that right!


41 posted on 11/29/2012 8:40:06 AM PST by Rich21IE
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
I read the article and didn't see what the offhand comment was.

Taking the typical liberal mindset into account, and the typical liberal reaction to perceived slights, it was probably something about Obama or his effects on America. Consevatives tend to ignore or logically respond to liberal pronouncements.

42 posted on 11/29/2012 8:41:27 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: ArtDodger
Digital recordings are not accepted in courts of law, same as digital photos..

Wrong.

43 posted on 11/29/2012 8:43:33 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: marktwain

The reporter left out the most important detail of the issue, which is, what Mr. Gesses actually said to cause this whole kerfuffle.

Without that, the reader is left to surmise that he’s a victim in this story, when in fact, he may have said something that truly warranted such an extreme response.


44 posted on 11/29/2012 8:48:17 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: t1b8zs
I have always heard,1st one to get an Attny,wins”.

The cops always have an attorney. That's why you never want to talk to them without one on your side. The system is set up to maximize arrests and convictions, not for "truth and justice". It's a merciless machine, and you had better use everything at your disposal to defend yourself.

A LEO I know acutally once said, "We don't arrest innocent people!"

For those who haven't watched these videos, I *HIGHLY* recommend them:

Don't Talk to Cops - Part 1

Don't Talk to Cops - Part 2

45 posted on 11/29/2012 8:50:31 AM PST by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: uncommonsense
So there is no legal recourse against someone who files a false criminal complaint, affidavit, or purgers themselves?

It's up to the prosecutor & judge whether anything comes of perjury.

But a guy can always pursue a big lawsuit for defamation, etc., against the false accuser.

46 posted on 11/29/2012 8:52:54 AM PST by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: Windflier
he may have said something that truly warranted such an extreme response.

I'm somewhat curious as to what he might have said, that would warrant sending a proxy to threaten him and to demand an apology.

47 posted on 11/29/2012 8:53:22 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: marktwain

bkmk


48 posted on 11/29/2012 8:53:40 AM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Not too bright of them to send the son. If he was a SEAL and he was later charged with filing a false police report, I doubt if he would get to keep his security clearance if convicted.
49 posted on 11/29/2012 9:00:25 AM PST by JimC214
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To: marktwain
On a related note...

Don't Talk to Police

50 posted on 11/29/2012 9:01:30 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Labor unions are the Communist Party of the USA.)
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To: ArtDodger

You sure about that? Video isn’t film, and is certainly used all the time.

Could things have changed since your encounter with the legal system?


51 posted on 11/29/2012 9:05:06 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: TChris; E. Pluribus Unum

Always a good one to post in threads like this.


52 posted on 11/29/2012 9:07:47 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: marktwain
Thanks for all the good info. In the coming years I can see the government trying to make criminals out of all of us.
53 posted on 11/29/2012 9:15:10 AM PST by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: Mamzelle; PapaBear3625

Hell I hope his name is in the book. He has dishonored himself, the Seals and the Navy. He should have his name published everywhere and all should hold him in contempt. He should be sued and serve jail time. He is a disgusting piece of crap.


54 posted on 11/29/2012 9:20:28 AM PST by Ratman83
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

“One will only find the law and those who are more than willing to manipulate it to serve their own ends.”

Seems to me that the legal bureaucracy too often operates for it’s own convenience rather than the purpose for which it was established. (Like many bureaucracies.)


55 posted on 11/29/2012 9:22:52 AM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: Windflier; marktwain

I hope you forgot the sarcasm tag nothing that anyone says that is offense can justify a false accusation of threatening someone with a weapon.


56 posted on 11/29/2012 9:30:53 AM PST by Ratman83
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To: PapaBear3625

“It’s best, ahead of time, to invest in a good digital recorder, and record any conversations which might turn confrontational.”

Sound advice. We use these handly little ‘spy pens’ that record video and audio and on a couple of occasions (one involving a California LEO) we were able to prove that accusations against us were 100% total fabrications. I carry one of these pens with me whenever I leave the house now because you never know when you’ll need it.


57 posted on 11/29/2012 9:34:10 AM PST by MeganC (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: marktwain

This sword can cut both ways. I do not believe it is a criminal offense to identify a US Navy SEAL as such. But were they to publicly identify him, his career as a SEAL would be over.

Likewise, they mentioned that the offended dinner guest retained their anonymity. Why is that? If publicly identified, they would likely get to “share the wealth” in the limelight, which inspires many people to drop charges.

Of course, this must be done in a way to avoid libel and slander charges. But that can be a very far way indeed.

A lot of people would be deeply offended at their breaking the rules of courtesy as guests. That these are people who curse those who are kind to them. Many people will not do business with such people, and certainly will not do anything social with them.


58 posted on 11/29/2012 9:38:10 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Pennies and Nickels will NO LONGER be Minted as of 1/1/13 - Tim Geithner, US Treasury Sect)
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To: marktwain

I know enough to stay away from cops, lawyers, and the legal system as best I can. Justice is harder and harder to find in our court system. I’ve had a few acquaintances screwed over by liars and charlatans in a court of “law”. Disgusting. Despite some obvious questions about this account, I can say I’d never confront the idiots on their property. And if they knocked on my door and threatened me - SEAL, insurance agent, little old lady, wouldn’t matter - I’d call the cops. Too many people lie.


59 posted on 11/29/2012 9:39:37 AM PST by opus86
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To: marktwain

I know enough to stay away from cops, lawyers, and the legal system as best I can. Justice is harder and harder to find in our court system. I’ve had a few acquaintances screwed over by liars and charlatans in a court of “law”. Disgusting. Despite some obvious questions about this account, I can say I’d never confront the idiots on their property. And if they knocked on my door and threatened me - SEAL, insurance agent, little old lady, wouldn’t matter - I’d call the cops. Too many people lie.


60 posted on 11/29/2012 9:40:00 AM PST by opus86
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