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Posted on 12/10/2012 5:50:12 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
U.S. institutional politics, government agencies, and academic science have been caught in denial so strident they’re now shouting “no” while stark raving naked. The nakedness is because of Low Energy Nuclear Reactions or LENR, or an evolution of the famed cold fusion.
The intellectual embarrassment is tattooed to the naysayers forever and disqualifies many people.
Steve Krivit reports from behind his paywall physicist Yasuhiro Iwamura from Mitsubishi Heavy Industries that researchers at Toyota Central Research and Development Laboratories performed an independent replication of a Mitsubishi low-energy nuclear reaction transmutation experiment.
Iwamura spoke of the replication at the American Nuclear Society’s LENR session on Nov. 14th 2012 in San Diego. Krivit reports Iwamura saying the Toyota researchers confirmed that nuclear changes from one element to another took place without the use of high-energy nuclear physics.
Toyota is being said to have used a LENR deuterium-permeation transmutation method that Iwamura invented. This follows the information that Osaka University and Iwate University had previously reported similar replications.
Iwamura is said to have been working with this LENR method for 14 years.
The target of the work in Japan seems directed to the transmutation of elements, something that has been seen in many past experiments of LENR. Direct potential commercial applications could be processing of nuclear waste or the production of rare earth elements such as platinum.
The story is leading to two different camps, the LENR people trying to produce energy and the Low Energy Nuclear Transmutation (LENT, a new short form to remember) people trying to change an element into another. The process is doing about the same thing; each pathway is optimized to achieve one result or the other.
Now Mitsubishi and Toyota, two major international industrial firms are releasing information. The firms obviously understand that the money from product sales will be vastly more important than research grants.
Politics, bureaucrats and academia are being scooped by big business. It’s probably a good thing.
Private enterprise isn’t just after LENR in Japan.
Dr. Francesco Celani has announced a successful 3rd party replication of his LENR system, which apparently has been improved since he did the demonstration at National Instruments Week in Texas earlier this year.
Celani said the reactor used is completely different from the one he and his group developed and used. As a result, he says, the probability of a systematic error in the measurements has become highly unlikely.
The private firm involved in this effort is believed to be STMicrolectronics, a French-Italian electronics manufacturer based in Geneva, Switzerland. The firm’s logo is part of the photos Dr. Celani has released.
What is one to make of all this? The first major point is academia has utterly let the world down. Now that LENR obviously functions there are almost no experimental experts available or organized training underway. The world economy is completely out of the loop, so far. The second is governments worldwide have set up a patent barrier, which is still in place that keeps the potential dowsed down. Only the very brave and eccentric have ventured out with Andrea Rossi leading the way.
At the human level the price of condemnation is beginning to show. For those who followed the press, media and academic lead to condemn Pons and Fleischmann, while some knew full well that a few very careful experimenters were able to replicate the work, the guilt is the harm done to science progress, intellectual expansion and economic growth.
At the frontier of knowledge there is no disgrace at an experiment that fails. Disgrace comes from denial of the opportunity for research and experimentation. Denial of a venture into the unknown is one of the ultimate scientific dishonesties.
It has been, and more than extreme. The science is now unquestionable. All the criteria that have been put forward for scientific proof have been satisfied (and more than satisfied). The pathological skeptics have been quite rapidly moving the goal posts to avoid having to admit they were wrong.
I suggest you read Beaudette's book and learn about that evidence instead of bloviating.
Indeed. My point precisely. Whether Rossi is a fraud or not is now irrelevant to the scientific validity of LENR.
Politics has caused profound damage to science many times before. Students should have it beat into their heads that consensus is NOT science, it’s politics.
Your logic (and science) is flawed. Note the qualifier "Russian" (should actually be Communist). LENR has been replicated in many laboratories all over the world.
Correct. If his device worked it would have been patented and produced for commercial use. He would have become the richest man on earth. HE IS A FRAUD AND THOSE THAT GIVE HIM MONEY ARE FOOLS!
"Something of use" is irrelevant to scientific validity. But nice try at moving the goal posts.
"And it's chickens that roost, not ducks."
As a farm boy who has raised both, I can guarantee you that ducks do indeed "roost", as do geese, guinea fowl, etc.
So anyone who disagrees with you is bloviating. What an arrogant attitude. Not content to simply disagree you have to work in an insult in your post as well. Tell me do you believe in 100 mpg carburetors?
You are nuts to say that my “science is flawed”. I am a far better scientist that you can ever be.
I've changed no goal posts, and the phrase is still “chickens come home to roost”, not ducks.
I don't think this was true about a year ago. What changed?
Rossi's work was positive proof of LENR and Rossi's developments in commercializing it would convince the world. What happened?
How do we know they aren't?
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I'm the same way. I keep myself highly skeptical with the hope I'm proven wrong.
If corporate Toyota is pursuing this, I remain hopeful. However, mentioning Rossi in any article does not help LENR's cause.
Thanks. Science was not my forte.
The criterion for scientific validity is replication by an INDEPENDENT laboratory. During that period in history, and in the field of biology, there WERE no independent laboratories in the Soviet Union. And yes, your "Scientific example" IS flawed.
"I am a far better scientist that you can ever be."
Really. How long have you been "doing science", what sort, and what have you done?? For me, forty years, instrument R%D, 24+ patents, and a similar number of referred publications, plus two R&D 100 awards.
I believe you've been on many of these CF threads. If, at this point, you haven't taken the time to examine the evidence, you deserve to be insulted.
"Tell me do you believe in 100 mpg carburetors?"
No. But I do believe in well-done scientific studies.
Sure you did. You said that CF has to "produce something of use". Science has no such requirement. Engineering, OTOH, does.
.....and the phrase is still “chickens come home to roost”, not ducks.
Your statement was "...ducks don't roost, chickens do". I don't see anything there about "the phrase is". But nice try at changing the focus.
For me, precisely nothing. If Rossi turns out to be true, well and good, and the world will benefit. If he turns out not to be, LENR is still there, and still valid science.
"Rossi's work was positive proof of LENR and Rossi's developments in commercializing it would convince the world. What happened?"
If you'll look back at what I have consistently posted on these threads, you will find that I NEVER made such a statement.
Oh stuff and nonsense! Cold fusion is still a hot air balloon. And I’m still waiting for the promised water heaters.
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