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Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf, coalition forces leader during Persian Gulf War, dies
Fox News ^ | December 27, 2012

Posted on 12/27/2012 4:31:56 PM PST by Wisconsinlady

Edited on 12/28/2012 4:45:17 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

WASHINGTON – Truth is, retired Gen. H. Norman Schwarzkopf didn't care much for his popular "Stormin' Norman" nickname.

The seemingly no-nonsense Desert Storm commander's reputed temper with aides and subordinates supposedly earned him that rough-and-ready moniker. But others around the general, who died Thursday in Tampa, Fla., at age 78 from complications from pneumonia, knew him as a friendly, talkative and even jovial figure who preferred the somewhat milder sobriquet given by his troops: "The Bear."

That one perhaps suited him better later in his life, when he supported various national causes and children's charities while eschewing the spotlight and resisting efforts to draft him to run for political office.

He lived out a quiet retirement in Tampa, where he'd served his last military assignment and where an elementary school bearing his name is testament to his standing in the community.

Schwarzkopf capped an illustrious military career by commanding the U.S.-led international coalition that drove Saddam Hussein's forces out of Kuwait in 1991 -- but he'd managed to keep a low profile in the public debate over the second Gulf War against Iraq, saying at one point that he doubted victory would be as easy as the White House and the Pentagon predicted.

Schwarzkopf was named commander in chief of U.S. Central Command at Tampa's MacDill Air Force Base in 1988, overseeing the headquarters for U.S. military and security concerns in nearly two dozen countries stretching across the Middle East to Afghanistan and the rest of central Asia, plus Pakistan.

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To: ConservaTexan
"This one hurts. He will be missed. Men of his ilk will be needed to retake America. "

AMEN!

201 posted on 12/27/2012 7:40:12 PM PST by matthew fuller (Newt, Palin, West, Ryan, Gohmert, Gowdy, Poe, Issa, or McCaul for next House Speaker.)
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To: fkabuckeyesrule
What a great man and great leader. I always liked him. I think just about everyone did.

My fondest memory of Gen. Schwarzkopf was during the first Gulf war. He was giving a briefing to the media on the operation where they used stealth assets and misdirection to flank the Iraqis and kick their arses handily.

When he was describing the operation he had a noticeable gleam in his eye and a very wry smile on his face. He was having a blast showing off what his troops could do. I'll never forget it.

In pace requiescat General.

202 posted on 12/27/2012 7:43:36 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Liberals are a wrecking crew dismantling civilization by replacing what works with what feels good.)
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To: Wisconsinlady

General Stormin Norman, Thank you for your service. God Bless your family in the time of loss. Resting place should be Arlington National.


203 posted on 12/27/2012 7:50:34 PM PST by Steelers6
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To: Wisconsinlady
I remember hearing once that there is only ONE BUBBA (and it ain't Bill Clinton) --

General Schwarzkopf

Rest gently, sir, you deserve it.

204 posted on 12/27/2012 7:52:42 PM PST by Bon of Babble (Instant Human....Add Coffee)
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To: Wisconsinlady

RIP, Sir.


205 posted on 12/27/2012 7:55:46 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: tomkat
"...repetition > familiarity > indifference > contempt..."

Sounds very 'Alinsky-ish". Did you ever notice that a lot of liberalism is based on the negative aspects of human behavior? Deceit, arrogance, jealousy, revenge and greed? They like to use "greed" as a malediction against conservatives, but in reality, we view 'greed' as having a very constructive component. (I say this using the term 'greed', because it doesn't mean the same thing)

There is a component of what liberals call 'greed' that animates the 'invisible hand' of capitalism, and makes capitalism the proverbial tide that lifts all boats equally.

We call it "making money"...they call it "making too much money".

Well...don't want to hijack this thread of an honorable man, so I better stop digressing.

206 posted on 12/27/2012 7:59:59 PM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Man, I like the way you think. Just reading that post made me feel, if even for a moment, that this country isn’t lost yet.

Good job, and...thank you.


207 posted on 12/27/2012 8:01:23 PM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: Wisconsinlady; GreyFriar

Well done, General. May you rest in peace.


208 posted on 12/27/2012 8:04:34 PM PST by zot
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To: DesertRhino

” battleships bombarding the enemy with 16 inch, F-4s flying SEAD, OV-10s instead of drones, artillery prep before attacks, B-52s carpet bombing with iron bombs three times a day, for weeks at a time,,, Daisy cutters being dropped “just because”. “

That’s the way to fight a war.


209 posted on 12/27/2012 8:17:06 PM PST by Redcitizen (.)
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To: drewh; ConorMacNessa

Thank you for posting this picture. It seems that a great many well-wishers on this thread have not taken the trouble to learn how to spell the General’s name correctly. To me, that is somewhat disrespectful.


210 posted on 12/27/2012 8:17:47 PM PST by matthew fuller (Newt, Palin, West, Ryan, Gohmert, Gowdy, Poe, Issa, or McCaul for next House Speaker.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

“This is still America. We will see his like again. We just don’t know his name yet.”

Well I hope that whomever it is, shows up soon. Time is running out...


211 posted on 12/27/2012 8:20:33 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: hinckley buzzard

“Not to start thread drift but you know who else did this very thing. George Patton. They called him “blood and guts” but it was the enemy’s blood and guts left on the ground.”

He did indeed! My uncle fought with/for him as a K-9 scout in WWII and always had the highest praise for Patton. He believed that had Patton been supported by Eisenhower, instead of wasting resources with Montgomery’s futile effort into Arnhem, the war would have been won prior to the horrific Battle of the Bulge.


212 posted on 12/27/2012 8:21:31 PM PST by NCDragon (If you can't stand behind the troops, try standing in front of them!)
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To: Wisconsinlady

Oh what a shock! RiP Gemeral Schwartzkopf


213 posted on 12/27/2012 8:24:30 PM PST by Vanders9
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To: Wisconsinlady; Arrowhead1952

TAPS

RIP

General Norman Schwarzkopf, Jr, USA


Amazing Grace

214 posted on 12/27/2012 8:26:49 PM PST by Kathy in Alaska ((~ RIP Brian...heaven's gain...the Coast Guard lost a good one.~))
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To: Wisconsinlady

Rest in Peace, General Schwarzkopf.

May God bless and console his family.

He was a true warrior and a faithful soldier.


215 posted on 12/27/2012 8:29:22 PM PST by miserare
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To: TheOldLady; TADSLOS

It seems there’s a ZOT or at the very least a time out for a General Schwarzkopf detractor.


216 posted on 12/27/2012 8:32:26 PM PST by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: Moonlighter

I am not aware of the cause of his death, but I did hear that he had prostate cancer.


217 posted on 12/27/2012 8:34:50 PM PST by matthew fuller (Newt, Palin, West, Ryan, Gohmert, Gowdy, Poe, Issa, or McCaul for next House Speaker.)
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To: matthew fuller
I am not aware of the cause of his death, but I did hear that he had prostate cancer.

Yea I remember that also from a long ways back. I did a quick search on his name & prostate Cancer. Wiki has that he died of complications from Pneumonia. He had Prostate Cancer back in the 1990's and evidently was cured of it.

218 posted on 12/27/2012 8:39:58 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe

Whatever took him, it has been a totally crappy year. I mourn his passing, and I shed a tear when I heard about it.


219 posted on 12/27/2012 8:44:18 PM PST by matthew fuller (Newt, Palin, West, Ryan, Gohmert, Gowdy, Poe, Issa, or McCaul for next House Speaker.)
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To: Wisconsinlady

When it was his time in the spotlight, he was ready and made the most of it (not his fault Bush didn’t try to finish the job). That’s the definition of a great general.

I haven’t read all the posts but it might be mentioned that his father was the one who convicted the man alleged to have murdered Charles Lindbergh’s baby.


220 posted on 12/27/2012 8:52:52 PM PST by OrangeHoof (Our economy won't heal until one particular black man is unemployed.)
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To: RetiredArmy

The generals we have left are a collection of perfumed princes and yuppies. No more warriors at flag rank, just a collection of ass kissing politicians.


221 posted on 12/27/2012 8:56:16 PM PST by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is the operational wing of CPUSA.)
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To: Arrowhead1952
Yep, can't imagine anyone at FR having something derogatory to say about General Schwarzkopf, he's a true patriot and served our country well.
223 posted on 12/27/2012 9:05:23 PM PST by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: Wisconsinlady

RIP, Sir. You served your country well.


224 posted on 12/27/2012 9:08:00 PM PST by Conservative4Ever (I'm going Galt)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

We were blessed to meet Gen. Schwarzkopf at the Congressional Medal of Honor Society’s annual banquet on Sept. 11, 2002, exactly a year after 9/11. His speech noted that some people were calling upon us to “forgive and forget” about the terrorist attacks on the East Coast, and his booming response was, “FORGET HELL!”


225 posted on 12/27/2012 9:12:34 PM PST by condi2008
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To: NYTexan

He was younger than my parents. Rest in peace.


226 posted on 12/27/2012 9:17:12 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: All; condi2008

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As a fellow Veteran, as the General was, of the “WE WERE SOLDIERS” Battle of IA DRANG-1965, it was pretty easy for us to see in person that there really are people out there in this world who hate the Free ..for being Free.

People who witness this firsthand and then act on it ..to protect the Free.. are indispensable ..to the Free.

As we now continue to lose our most indispensable National Resource in time of greatest need.

One by One.

Signed:
Ronnie Guyer, Veteran/Survivor “WE WERE SOLDIERS” Battle of IA DRANG-1965
http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_collection.htm

.


227 posted on 12/27/2012 9:36:26 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: Wisconsinlady

RIP Stormin’ Norman, Thank you for your service.


228 posted on 12/27/2012 9:38:48 PM PST by Amberdawn
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To: Joe Marine 76
My mother and mother in law, too! And my mother in law would talk about him with her Westchester County accent!
229 posted on 12/27/2012 9:43:49 PM PST by MacMattico
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To: Wisconsinlady

What a Great American! He was one of my favorite Generals!


230 posted on 12/27/2012 11:19:28 PM PST by tallyhoe
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To: Wisconsinlady

I really admired this man. He was a great American and served his country well. So sad that he is gone. Prayers up for his family.


231 posted on 12/27/2012 11:20:02 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Wisconsinlady

RIP, General. I send a big “Toujours Prej” from a 2nd Cav trooper who served under you proudly in Desert Storm.

The General’s death seems not just the passing of a man, but the passing of an era.


232 posted on 12/28/2012 12:43:32 AM PST by ishmac (Lady Thatcher: There are no permanent defeats in politics because there are no permanent victories.)
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To: 21twelve

I still have my copy of the message from him, stating and I quote...

“Our cause is just ! Now you must be the thunder and the lightning of Desert Storm. May God be with you, your loved ones at home, and our country.

H. Norman Schwarzkoph, Commander in Chief, U.S. Central Command.”

Thank you General for letting us do what we were trained to do when needed and keeping the polidiots and presstitutes off our asses during the first gulf war.....RIP Sir.


233 posted on 12/28/2012 1:13:59 AM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: Wisconsinlady

Thank you for your service soldier, RIP.


234 posted on 12/28/2012 1:39:35 AM PST by exnavy (Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: Squantos

Thank you for your service. The term “soldier’s general” came to mind as I read your note, so I did a search:

http://wtvr.com/2012/12/27/source-retired-gen-norman-schwarzkopf-dead-at-78/

Excerpts:

Van Hipp, who was deputy assistant secretary of the Army during the Gulf War, said Schwarzkopf was a “soldier’s general.”

“They called him ‘Stormin’ Norman’ for a reason,” Hipp said. “But in the end he was a guy. He was a teddy bear. He was tough. He was gruff, but he cared about his troops, and he cared about his soldiers.”...

His father, Major Gen. H. Norman Schwarzkopf, a West Point graduate who fought in World War I, became head of New Jersey State Police, helping to build the fledgling force and eventually leading the investigation of the infamous Lindbergh baby kidnapping.

“The day I was born, my father said… ‘That boy is going to West Point,” Schwarzkopf recalled to King. “And that’s the only thing I ever heard my entire young life.”.....

“I prided myself on being unflappable even in the most chaotic of circumstances,” he wrote. “That guise lasted until Vietnam, where I realized that I was dealing with human lives and if one were lost, it could never be replaced. I quickly learned that there was nothing wrong with being emotional.”

He was commissioned a second lieutenant and served two tours of duty in Vietnam, where he received three Silver Stars.


235 posted on 12/28/2012 2:04:16 AM PST by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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To: Wisconsinlady

He was a hero to many of use kids back then, and he never used his position to EVER run for office even though he could have had almost any he wanted.


237 posted on 12/28/2012 3:12:42 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: rlmorel
While the existence of greed cannot be denied, its unbridled pursuit invariably empties the souls of its acolytes.

Given the political and economic freedom to practice it, 'enlightened self-interest' tempers an elemental fact of human nature with the inherent spiritual constraints of a rational, moral people,

Enlightenment is the key of course; most serious thinkers of the 18th & 19th centuries - many of our Founders among them - viewing it as a prerequisite for a successfully functioning, sustainable society.

And those on the left with even a smattering of extant integrity know that, have always known that; hence their most vicious and sustained attacks being aimed precisely there.

Greed vs Enlightened Self-Interest is as Night vs Day.


             For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and forfeit his soul?

238 posted on 12/28/2012 3:27:15 AM PST by tomkat (liberty or death)
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To: Wisconsinlady

The Free World gives you a final Salute ,General ! RIP.


239 posted on 12/28/2012 4:43:45 AM PST by moose07 (the truth will out ,one day. I'm off to the edge of the World to Scream, be back later.)
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A good soldier.....

But would the Romans have had to fight in Iraq twice - still with no solutions?

Next time America decides to fight abroad we need to use drones, mini-drones, missiles, nukes, and finally plenty of salt.

In addition put a permanent Super-Glued gag/burka on Muslim lover Colin Powell ASAP.

George HW Bush should have sent A-10s and B-2s ahead of our Abrams tanks and pretended he was Rommel as he flattened all of Iraq and taken all of their oil for the next 200 years.

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240 posted on 12/28/2012 4:50:05 AM PST by devolve ( ---- ---- ---- -CHEESEBURGER_CHEESEBURGER_CHEESEBURGER- ---- ---- ---- ---- John Belushi ---- ----)
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To: Wisconsinlady

Meet the General during the war, awesome American Leader, RIP Sir.


241 posted on 12/28/2012 5:31:42 AM PST by OldGoatCPO
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To: cva66snipe; matthew fuller

Tampa local news reports that he was suffering from Parkinson’s disease. This is the first I’ve heard of prostate issues.

Either way, RIP, sir. I was in 6th grade during Desert Storm. I remember being glued to the TV every night. He made me proud to wear my Boy Scout uniform at the time.


242 posted on 12/28/2012 6:05:21 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Fred Hayek

The generals we have left are a collection of perfumed princes and yuppies. No more warriors at flag rank, just a collection of ass kissing politicians.


And.. Affirmative Action women..not a leadership chromosome anywhere....Fags and Hags..the face of the new military. No wonder the bad guys laugh at us.


243 posted on 12/28/2012 6:19:42 AM PST by AFret. ("Charlie don't surf ! ")
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To: Fred Hayek

Amen to that Fred. They kiss Obama’s black butt to get ahead. They could give a rat’s hip pockets about the troops. It is about them and getting that next rank. To hell with the troops. I was seeing that in the late 1980s and early 1990s before I retired. Officers out for themselves. I have even heard officers tell NCOs that they were not going to have their careers damaged by a bunch of stupid enlisted people who could not do their jobs the way the stupid officer wanted it done. I have endured so many self centered lieutenants, captains, majors and lieutenant colonels to fill the Queen Mary. Out for themselves. That is why I never, ever trusted officers. I trusted none of them. In my career, I can count on my hands the number of officers that I fully trusted. One my TWO HANDS over 20 plus years of service.


244 posted on 12/28/2012 6:40:35 AM PST by RetiredArmy (1 Cor 15: 50-54 & 1 Thess 4: 13-17. That about covers it.)
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To: muir_redwoods

Exactly! He’s a lucky man not to have to see the final destruction of America at the hands of the usurper illegal alien Chavez wannabe grifter-in-chief.


245 posted on 12/28/2012 6:41:42 AM PST by AbolishCSEU (Percentage of Income in CS is inversely proportionate to Mother's parenting of children)
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To: Wisconsinlady

All the good things said are not simple platitudes for a dead man but earned and deserved. RIP, General.


246 posted on 12/28/2012 6:52:51 AM PST by JPG (Stay strong.)
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To: RetiredArmy

“About the last General in the Army that I actually respected.”

He was my idol, so proud to have served in our Army under his leadership.


247 posted on 12/28/2012 6:55:52 AM PST by Amigo04
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To: Wisconsinlady

I was living about 150 km south of Kuwait at the time. Tens of thousands of troops came through, American, UK, and others. Never felt so proud of the military. On the other hand, we had “read my lips no new taxes” HW Bush as president. You have to take the good with the bad, military = good, Bush = bad.


248 posted on 12/28/2012 6:57:35 AM PST by jubail
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To: jazusamo; TADSLOS; Ed Story

I think that it would be inappropriate to post a zot graphic on this solemn thread of mourning for General Schwarzkopf.

RIP, General, and rest easy in the Arms of God. Your work is done, and you are called Home for all eternity. May He grant your family and friends His solace.


249 posted on 12/28/2012 8:01:18 AM PST by TheOldLady
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To: TheOldLady

Agreed.


250 posted on 12/28/2012 8:04:36 AM PST by TADSLOS (I took extra credit at the School of Hard Knocks)
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