Posted on 01/10/2013 9:04:19 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe
Edited on 01/10/2013 9:07:23 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
Individuals seeking a permit to buy firearms in New Jersey would have to submit results of a psychological evaluation before they could buy a gun, under a bill introduced yesterday in the Legislature by West New York Assemblywoman Angelica Jimenez.
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Exactly. And the mentally ill should be in institutions: they can find many ways of killing, with or without a gun.
In most recent cases, the mentally ill killers who used guns acquired them illegally anyway (the Sandy Hook killer stole his mother's guns), so "mental health testing prior to purchase" certainly wouldn't have helped.
But who will “test” the psychologists? Many of them are on the borderline of sanity.
I was asked that question several years ago when I went to a new Dr. in CA. I just told them that had nothing to do with healthcare. Also they asked a lot of other personal questions I refused to answer. I have been warning people not to answer those questions ever since.
I was comeletely cauight off guard- I was tired, and not thinking straight at the time, and I NEVER in my wildest dreams coulsd have imagined such an intrusive question liek that- I wish I had that day to do over again- and tiem to prepare my answer to them-I’m not a quick on my feet thinker when thrown oddball questions liek that- I immediately knew I had made a mistake, however, if I’m asked the question again, I will truthfully state that the guns that were i nthe hosue are no longer i nthe house (We moved fro mthe house that the guns were then in- and of course removed the guns from that house- so I’ll perhaqps even initiate the dialogue and state that there’s been an update to the gun question and make sure they write down that there are NO GUNS i nthe hosue (that I was oringimally in when they asked the question- however they won’t ned tro know that that’s what I mean)
That happens to everyone sometime; get caught offguard and then later you kick yourself for not saying what you should have said. That’s why I warn people about my experiences.
[[I have been warning people not to answer those questions ever since.]]
I wish I had seen a similiar warnign before I made my mistake- I do now warn others abotu hte intrusive quesitons- however, apaprently in places liek NY- it’s no longer even an issue because newspapers prin t out hte actual locatiosn of all the registered guin owners- and health officials will simply go online and gfind out for themselves even if the person decliens to tell them-
A few years back one of my health care docs decided to go to work compiling a massive new electronic database for the health industry, comprised of patient info- I didn’t think much of it then, but recently after seeing cuomo’s grab for guns and forced ‘mental health evaluations’ I’m beginning to understand that this healthcare database is becoming a toll used by government officials to violate our constitutional rights-
And another thing I noted was that more and more docs were wantign to push anti-depressents on everyone- folsk woudl go in to these health care facvilities, the docs woudl examine htem, couldn’t determine what the actual problem was, and just prescribe anti-depressents to the folks for everythign from sleeping problems, to concentration problems to chronic back problems with no known cause- I didn’t undwerstand back then why docs were so pushy about issuing perscriptions for htese addictive and dangerous anti-depressents, but I’m beginning to think that the reason they were was perhaps because they were told to- so that down hte road, the government could force peopel inbto mental evaluations because they ‘ocne had depression, and may still be sufferign from it’ EVEN IF they didn’t actually have depre4ssion but were prescribed anti-depressents anyways- (So that htey can circumvent the consitution, and have peopel either committed or forced to give up a constitutional right liek the ability to own a firearm of ANY caliber or capacity, without anyone being able to contest the ‘diagnosis’.
It’s all beginnign to become clear with NY’s announcement that they are goign to require mental health evaluations for thsoe who own guns and yearly evaluations thereafter to determine the ‘fitness to continue owning a gun’. The left isn’t even coy abotu hteir intentions anymore- they just throw their blatant violations of our constitutional rights in our faces and dare anyoen to do soemthign about it- which of course noone will-
Only considerable after it’s required of owners of vehicles bigger than a moped.
Wouldn’t the fascist Leftists love this——like Stalin’s government-—where they just painted everyone who the government wanted eliminated as a defective or criminal or what ever, and forced people to “sign” papers or killed them, or tortured them.
This tactic is to “label” all intelligent people who understand the Constitution and the REAL meaning of words— not the Marxist warped meanings being programmed into our children through BF Skinner methodology and TV-—as defective or criminal.
Exactly the tactics of Stalin’s gulag and death camps. Give control to the so-called government trained “psychologists” who are so twisted and warped they are now claiming it is loving to sodomize little boys (Rush’s show)-—it is “good” for them.
Psychiatry is a joke in this country since they ejected Reason and Common Sense from schools because of Fabian Socialist, John Dewey.....they are now conditioning children in the Pavlovian sense and “teaching” them to “think” correctly (by emotions) that “Up is Down” in all those sick irrational public (and some private) universities-—where sodomy is “Good”, instead of the dehumanizing, vile behavior it always was, and will be.
The Satanic practice—is about power and twisted lust-—never “love”.
As Dennis Prager stated—and I find him one of the Wiser people on radio—the longer our children go to “universities”, the more Reason and Common Sense is beat out of them.
What they learn from experience (reality) for 18 years-—about human nature and life—mother and father—is destroyed in four years—and if they go to graduate schools—they become even more deluded and irrational and immoral.
Very few “educated” people can use reason and logic. I found what Prager stated, “True”—many times. I have talked with Stanford Law graduates and find they are devoid of knowledge about Law-—not only about the Constitution and Justice Joseph Story—but of Natural Law Theory-—which is the underlying philosophy of our Jurisprudence and “Rule of Law”, with Christianity sprinkled in it (and they are a dunce when it comes to Theology which is also fundamental to the Ethics of our once Great Country) .
I repeat my monologue......”Justice” is a Virtue. Just Laws have got to promote Virtue and never Vice—like sodomy and abortion. If “Just Laws” promote Vice, they are Null and Void, by the simple fact that they are “Unjust Law”— incompatible with the Supreme Law of the Land and “Justice” since we are based in the philosophy which states there is Absolute Truth—Right and Wrong and God.
The Law Schools are eliminating Truth—God—from our very Rights and claiming “rights” from Satan would be from God. It is irrational and evil and unconstitutional.
We are not a country based on Logic Positivism—when it is incompatible with Natural Laws. That is where our country is now-—going down the hell-hole, because of stupid, irrational, unjust laws and judges who do not throw the “laws” out.
They just keep making “new” unjust, unconstitutional laws which are Null and Void (John Marshall). We are NOT supposed to follow unjust laws (Nuremberg Trials).
That is what is so wrong with this country-—our Judicial System has been corrupted by Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. and all the Austinian/Marxist followers who destroyed the idea of Rule of Law (there is a Higher Law than man’s). Now, we are ruled by ARBITRARY LAWS which are not “Right Reason according to Nature”. They are ALL unconstitutional and need discarding.
And oh yeah....that goes for dog shootin cops too.
That is the big Joke! Psychologists/psychiatrists are trained by the government—and certified by the government.
They can block certification of all Right thinking people like they are doing today—when students refuse to say “Sodomizing people is normal” and as Rush stated—now the “experts” are saying that sodomizing little boys is good for them.
Yes—the government “backed” Homosexual mafia is out to return us to the ideology of all the ancient cultures where sodomy was a higher form of behavior than heterosexuality and pederasty was the recreation of most of the men.
It is why our government backs muslims because they endorse sodomy , bestiality and pedophilia.
They have the “correct” belief system-—just like Stalin’s “health” officials.
[[now the “experts” are saying that sodomizing little boys is good for them.]]
To the psychaitrist: Really? And it’s ‘healthy for the child victim’ how again?
The Herpes perhaps?
The aids?
The swollen damaged intestines?
The butt plugs that the kid will have to wear the rest of his life so his rectum doesn’t fall out because the muscles that keep it in have been destroyed?
The mental stigma from beign a helpless victim?
The psychological damge?
The suicidal thoughts that they have to keep fighting?
The drugs they have to go on to control emotional problems?
This is all healthy for the kid how? Oh that’s right- Psychologists are ONLY cocnerned abotu the predator’s mental ‘well being’
That part we've pretty much got a grip on, but what about the other part? What does "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" mean? If something is not covered by the meaning of this right, can there be an infringement of the right regarding that something?
You wrote "If you've not been adjudicated mentally defective, then you can own firearms under the existing law" implying that if you have been adjudicated mentally defective then you can't own firearms under the existing law. We both might agree with such law, but what is it about the words "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" that allows denying such a person the right without that denial being an infringement of the right?
That’s exactly the reason I specified “existing law.” Again, mental health is not an affirmative offense. There are millions of men and women walking among us who are mentally unwell, but they often don’t seek treatment. That doesn’t immediately make them killers!
Mental health has been stigmatized by the public as to mean that you are “psychotic.” In reality, most people shoulder a lot of emotions and don’t express them in any way. Over time, those emotions boil over. If I ran to a shrink every time my wife and I fought or I had an emotional rant boil over with a sibling, I’d be institutionalized! Anger and emotional outbursts are actually normal parts of the human experience. It’s only when those outbursts become violent that they are problematic.
Seeing a mental health professional doesn’t make you crazy. Sometimes you need to talk to an unbiased third-party to help make sense of an oftentimes complex world. In general, these massacres across the nation have been committed by children or young adults who are medicated on drugs that even disclaim in television commercials: “May cause suicidal thoughts or actions in teens and young adults,” yet we STILL prescribe them.
Anyway, mental health doesn’t not mean mental infirmity. “Mentally Defective” is a legal term proscribed by a judge after a person has been deemed to be unfit to partake in society due to a lack of sanity or grasp on reality. While I don’t agree that men (and women) in black robes should be making that distinction, general mental health should not be an immediately dismissive aspect to gun ownership.
1913 Definition
Psychology (psychology)The science of the human soul; specifically, the systematic or scientific knowledge of the powers and functions of the human soul, so far as they are known by consciousness; a treatise on the human soul.
Psychology, the science conversant about the phenomena of the mind, or conscious subject, or self.
[[If “Just Laws” promote Vice, they are Null and Void]]
Precisely! The ONLY ones that benifit from vice are the predators- NEVER the victims- many victims will in turn become predators because htey were brutally victimized, but laws that promote vice turn a ocne law abiding nation into a brutal criminal society that is protected by laws that protect their vices. There can be NO justice for the victims- none- It’s no ownder our society has for decades been so lenient on criminals while beign unmercifully cruel and cold toward the true victims-
There will coem a day soon where any objection to criminal acts by predators upon the chuildren will not be tolorated- criminals will have free reign over the children- our schools are grooming kids to prepare them for thsi now by forcign them to take classes that encourage them to experiment and to try such vile and disgusting things that it just blows the mind how anyoen coudl even htink liek that
[[That is where our country is now-—going down the hell-hole, because of stupid, irrational, unjust laws and judges who do not throw the “laws” out.]]
Bingo- they began pushign hteir unjust and sin fueled laws decades ago, little by little, testign hte waters- guagign hte people’s reactions- sometimes the people said NO!- but mostly they said “Meh- whjatever”, and now we’re at a poiunt where they don’t push their sin fueled ideology in secret anymore- they simply htrow it out htere knowing full well there isn’t goign to be much oppoisition to it any longer- They were emboldened thsi last election thinking liek hte presidnt that the people gave them the mandate to shove through their immoral practices and laws, and we no logner even have a supreme court to protect us agaisnt a rogue government now that John Roberts REFUSED to do his duty to protect hte nation
Roberts washed the courts hands of their responsibility when he essentially said “It’s not the courts job to protect hte nation against ‘basd choices’, and if htey don’t liek the choice they madfe, they can then just vote that person out of office later (after the dmage has been doen which hte courts refuse to protect us against- violating hteir sownr duty in the process)
Roberts handede obalmer the keys to do whatever the hell he wishes to do, and let him know that the courts will not stand in his way- Our supreme court was suppsoed to be our last legal line of defense agaisnt a rogue governtment, but john roberts in one swift treasonous act re3fused to do what he swore to do- he broke his oath to God, he broke it to this nation, and he broke it to individuals whom he swore to protect
And congress and hte peopel LET him get away with it too-
[[but what is it about the words “the right of the people to keep and bear arms” that allows denying such a person the right without that denial being an infringement of the right?]]
The determination of risk-
We haver the right to free speech- insofar as it does not create undue risk- you can’t yell ‘fire’ in a crowded theater. You can however stand up and yell Marshmallows’ if you wish- although you may get trhrown out for disruptign hte movie
So true.....it is why Ayn Rand stated decades ago-—that the Postmodernists are irrational.
They throw out Common Sense and Reason-—because they throw out Natural Law Theory which is (cause and effect) where Common Sense arrises.......Note-—our jurisprudence system is BASED on Natural Law Theory and the idea that ALL Just Laws-—are based on Right Reason according to Nature.
Irrational thinkers-—like Marx-—divorces reality from human nature. They actually throw out Reason and Logic——for the Big Lie of a dehumanized termite-type society of sameness devoid of all logic and with no God-given rights which is unconstitutional here.
We have Absolute Truth-—Right and WRong——which is established by God (Revelation) for THOUSANDS OF YEARS in Western Civilization-—NOT some silly, irrational, evil psychiatrist who has been brainwashed into Satanic beliefs and forcing our children to think there is no teleological end to human beings when ALL history and sciences states that is a lie.
The trouble is that before this psych test is implemented, they will deem that the mere desire to own a gun is a legitimate mental illness. It’s a win-win for them.
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